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Black 47 -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 12:21:59 PM)

Agreed on moving the chains. Just stringing together a few 1st downs, punting, and pinning them deep makes a huge difference. Run a little clock. Give the defense a rest. Offense couldn't do it.

For all Peterson's greatness, I wish he had a different style. I don't like his straight up and down style. I don't like that his focus is on breaking the big one, because it impairs their ability to move the chains. For all the O-Line's issues, if Peterson could just explode into the line running low and north/south and push the pile forward for 4 yards and a cloud of dust, it would go A LONG WAY toward moving the chains and sustaining drives. Just too much dancing on his part. His style makes for a nice stat line at the end of the game, but he could do more to sustain drives, and there's nothing more important..........especially for this team.........than sustaining drives.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 12:39:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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The Ugly:
Patterson. How the f*** do you get tackled and stripped by a kicker?


Then laugh on the sidelines about it?


Yep. When I saw him laughing after, I wanted him cut on the spot.



I am 99% sure he wont be a Viking next year.

Can't even get on the field for plays designed with him in mind, like the jet sweep. Instead the Vikes give the ball to Adam Theilen, a second year nondrafted guy who's more heart than talent.

The one thing Patterson does well is the kickoffs and he's blown big ones twice against the Packers this year.




SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 1:15:57 PM)

Feel like we are watching a reincarnation of the Matt Blair/Freddy McNeil days, with Barr and Kendricks.
Athletic beats.
Gotta have em.
Our secondary had to be doing a great job, with all the time Rodgers had to survey the field most times.
Building this thing right.
Knew Zimmer would be the guy to get it done defensively. Now we just need a younger-minded OC to finish off the build.




TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 1:25:27 PM)

Before we get a new OC we need a new OL.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 1:29:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Before we get a new OC we need a new OL.


At the very least, the left side.

Kalil/Fusco are beaten constantly.

Clemmings isn't a world-beater, but he's been more consistent than Kalil, and that's a pretty low bar.

Harris has been the best of the worst.

Berger is a fill in doing his best, but I'd expect nothing from Sullivan at this point, either, for the future.

Same with Loadholt.




TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 1:36:27 PM)

Clemmings actually looks like he making some strides lately. Kalil and Fusco must be replaced at all costs. Agreed on Sullivan. Two back surgeries in a span of months is not encouraging to say the least.




David Levine -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 2:51:52 PM)

I'll be shocked if Loadholt ever plays another snap. Guys that size do not come back from Achilles tears.

Berger played very well, but he was the oldest starting center in the league. How long can you rely on a 34 year old?

Sully is good, but undersized. 2 back surgeries could be career ending.




TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 3:06:27 PM)

I don't mean this as a slap at Berger and Harris because they stepped up and turned in a pretty solid performance this year, but when those two are head and shoulders the best players on your line, it isn't a good thing.




SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 5:27:35 PM)

Tom Coughlin .... Tom Kelly

Separated at birth?




CPAMAN -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 6:37:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll be shocked if Loadholt ever plays another snap. Guys that size do not come back from Achilles tears.

Berger played very well, but he was the oldest starting center in the league. How long can you rely on a 34 year old?

Sully is good, but undersized. 2 back surgeries could be career ending.


If Loadholt does recover, his conditioning will be like a couch potato at equivalent weight. How does a 340-350 lb guy (and he will be all of that after not playing this season) get himself back into shape after a painful and difficult to rehab from achilles injury?




Steve Lentz -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/4/2016 6:42:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

I'll be shocked if Loadholt ever plays another snap. Guys that size do not come back from Achilles tears.

Berger played very well, but he was the oldest starting center in the league. How long can you rely on a 34 year old?

Sully is good, but undersized. 2 back surgeries could be career ending.


If Loadholt does recover, his conditioning will be like a couch potato at equivalent weight. How does a 340-350 lb guy (and he will be all of that after not playing this season) get himself back into shape after a painful and difficult to rehab from achilles injury?

Follows Mauer's workout regimen.




SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/5/2016 11:10:24 AM)

Reusse just broke the internet.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/5/2016 11:17:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Reusse just broke the internet.

about what?




SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/5/2016 11:19:26 AM)

Bridgewater's second season: Good, bad and then ugly on Sunday night
By Patrick Reusse JANUARY 5, 2016 — 7:51AM

There have been quarterbacking performances for the Vikings in Lambeau Field in this century that were so hapless as to become part of Purple lore. There were extraordinary circumstances for the three most-memorable:

*The Vikings went to Green Bay on Dec. 30, 2001 with Daunte Culpepper and his backup, Todd Bouman, injured. Vagabond quarterback Spergon Wynn was making the second of what would be three starts to close the season.

Wynn was 11 for 30 for 114 yards and a touchdown, with three interceptions. He had a quarterback rating of 20.0. The Vikings lost 24-13, in what became Dennis Green’s last game as coach.

Owner Red McCombs was going to fire Green, but Dennis claimed to have beat him to it by resigning. Mike Tice coached the last game of the 5-11 season in Baltimore, again with Wynn as quarterback.

*The Vikings went to Green Bay for a Thursday night game on Dec. 21, 2006. There were two games left in Brad Childress’ tense first season as coach, and he decided to bench veteran Brad Johnson and go with Tarvaris Jackson, the rookie second-rounder.

The Vikings received a stout defensive effort, losing 9-7. Jackson went 10 fo 20 for 50 yards, with no touchdowns and one interception. He had a quarterback rating of 50.0 -- not low enough to adequately reflect how discombobulated Jackson was in his first start.

*The Vikings went to Green Bay on Jan. 5, 2013 for a second-ever playoff game at Lambeau. Christian Ponder warmed up and was declared unable to play. That gave the quarterback duty to Joe Webb. He had three starts in 2010 and 2011, but Webb had not thrown a pass during the 2012 regular season.

He threw the ball wildly and finished 11 for 30 for 180 yards and one touchdown, with one interception. He had a 54.9 rating in a 24-10 loss.

T.E. Bridgewater II was not as inept at quarterback as Wynn, JAckson and Webb in the Vikings’ 20-13 victory on Sunday night in Lambeau Field.

But he was close.

Two Gloves Teddy went 10 for 18 right-handed for 99 yards, and 0 for 1 with an interception left-handed, for an overall rating of 45.7.

Even with the victory and the NFC North title, this was disturbing for Vikings loyalists, who are desperate to have everyone buy into the idea that Bridgewater is on the way to being an exceptional quarterback.

Most of the people with whom I was interacting on Twitter and elsewhere were not able to accept the idea their guy Teddy was terrible on this night and to move on.

They were looking for excuses, as has been the case during and after the half-dozen clunkers that Bridgewater has offered up in his second season.

It was popular to blame offensive coordinator Norv Turner for not calling the plays “that had worked’’ for Bridgewater in the previous three weeks. And, as always, it was popular to blame the offensive line for not giving Bridgewater those four or five seconds that in some games it takes him to make up his mind when Option A is covered.

This young man is limited. Most weeks, the TV analysts have gone out of their way to praise Bridgewater and to offer excuses when necessary. They also have started to point out the low delivery point in his throwing motion. With a better motion, the lack of arm strength that’s mentioned with Bridgewater could be less of an issue.

As an athlete, I’d call him “high average’’ – good enough but far from exceptional.

If I was one of you folks with an emotional investment in the Vikings, what would drive me nuts about Two Gloves Teddy is the number of times that he starts back-tracking to his right with only one idea:

To throw the ball past the yard marker and avoid a sack.

When you see a big-time quarterback, such as Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers (before the last 60 percent of this season), rolling away from pressure, they are looking to make a play and throw it away when all options are expired. Bridgewater just wants to get rid of it and avoid the sack too often for my taste.

The greatest myth with Bridgewater is that the lone reason he slipped in the draft was because of a “bad workout day’’ at Louisville – and the crafty Vikings went in and evaluated him again (with gloves on, apparently) and saw the “real’’ Teddy.

Nonsense. Bridgewater fell to bottom third of first round in the 2014 draft because of his questionable throwing motion, his limited arm strength and his average athletic ability … not because he made a bunch of bad throws on his workout day.

If you’re honest -- and hardcore fans who want to have visions of Super Bowls in the future have a tendency not to be – you will admit that Bridgewater has not played as well in this second season as anticipated.

He had 12 starts as a rookie in 2014, several of them in the football version of “garbage time’’ (December games in a lost season), with a gaudy completion percentage. The Purple face-painters looked at this as reality.

No. It was like Zach LaVine getting 18 in the fourth quarter of a blowout.

The reality is that Bridgewater has been OK this season: some good, some bad, and then real ugly on Sunday in Lambeau.

If Bridgewater plays like he did in Arizona’s dome last month in Sunday’s bitter cold at TCF Bank Stadium, if he makes six or seven tough throws in the clutch to his outstanding group of receivers, the Vikings have a chance to upset the Seahawks.

If Bridgewater goes the entire game without making an above-average play, as was the case against the Packers, even the Vikings’ terrific defense won’t be able to bail him out.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/5/2016 11:25:46 AM)

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If I was one of you folks with an emotional investment in the Vikings, what would drive me nuts about Two Gloves Teddy is the number of times that he starts back-tracking to his right with only one idea:
To throw the ball past the yard marker and avoid a sack.

When you see a big-time quarterback, such as Russell Wilson or Aaron Rodgers (before the last 60 percent of this season), rolling away from pressure, they are looking to make a play and throw it away when all options are expired. Bridgewater just wants to get rid of it and avoid the sack too often for my taste.



That may partly be on Zimmer/Tuner, it may not.

I am not defending the guy at all. He was not good.

The Teddy argument seems to be somewhat like the Mauer deal, to me.

He's ok as a player. But I expect more from him.

Yep, had 3 really good games before this one. But man, he regressed this year overall. I think so, in part, because of Peterson.

Run/Run/throw when they know you have to.

Not a great formula for success.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/5/2016 12:12:08 PM)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2605156-report-johnny-manziel-used-wig-and-fake-mustache-while-partying-in-las-vegas?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial




MDK -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/6/2016 10:24:54 AM)

Over the years, I have enjoyed Reusse but his shot at Teddy B........Patrick needs to go back and look at great Viking QB's and look at their performances in big games.

Teddy has limitations but the kid is young and there still is questions about a young QB behind a bad offensive line and questionable play calling with respect to Teddy's strengths.

Here are the performances of Viking QB's in Super Bowls..........Completions, Attempts, Yards, TD's, Int, and longest completion

Joe Kapp

1970 Kansas City
16 25 183 0 2 28

Fran Tarkenton

1973 Miami Dolphins
18 28 182 0 1 30


1974 Pittsburgh
11 26 102 0 3 28

1976 Oakland
17 35 205 1 2 26


Pretty pathetic.

And this line from Reusse
If Bridgewater plays like he did in Arizona’s dome last month in Sunday’s bitter cold at TCF Bank Stadium, if he makes six or seven tough throws in the clutch to his outstanding group of receivers, the Vikings have a chance to upset the Seahawks.



Outstanding group of receives.....seriously Patrick?

The longest completion in the Super Bowl......30 yards......




TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/6/2016 11:28:08 AM)

Reusse has devolved into a moron wrapped in an idiot since he left the Pioneer Press. This was Teddy's first big game. The first time a Teddy, who just turned 23 in November, played with something at stake. Yep, the moment was a little too big for him the first time he faced it. He pressed, overthought and tried to do too much. This of course was made worse by a vintage performance from the worst offensive line in football. I'm pretty confident that as he matures and gains experience, he will improve his big game performances.




MDK -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/6/2016 12:08:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Reusse has devolved into a moron wrapped in an idiot since he left the Pioneer Press. This was Teddy's first big game. The first time a Teddy, who just turned 23 in November, played with something at stake. Yep, the moment was a little too big for him the first time he faced it. He pressed, overthought and tried to do too much. This of course was made worse by a vintage performance from the worst offensive line in football. I'm pretty confident that as he matures and gains experience, he will improve his big game performances.


Agree Tim.

The one thing I enjoy with Reusse is when he writes about out-state sports, small colleges or sports in the surrounding states at the other smaller schools.

Otherwise, he has really become lazy in his sports analysis.




Boyd Tesch -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/6/2016 5:41:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MDK

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

Reusse has devolved into a moron wrapped in an idiot since he left the Pioneer Press. This was Teddy's first big game. The first time a Teddy, who just turned 23 in November, played with something at stake. Yep, the moment was a little too big for him the first time he faced it. He pressed, overthought and tried to do too much. This of course was made worse by a vintage performance from the worst offensive line in football. I'm pretty confident that as he matures and gains experience, he will improve his big game performances.


Agree Tim.

The one thing I enjoy with Reusse is when he writes about out-state sports, small colleges or sports in the surrounding states at the other smaller schools.

Otherwise, he has really become lazy in his sports analysis.


He is like 70 or maybe 80 he don't need to work anymore. And he should take sir Sid with him




Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/6/2016 7:13:56 PM)

@1500ESPN
Ben Dogra, agent for Adrian Peterson, has license revoked, fine issued by NFLPA




Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/6/2016 10:08:40 PM)

Lovie Smith fired in Tampa.




TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/7/2016 8:38:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

@1500ESPN
Ben Dogra, agent for Adrian Peterson, has license revoked, fine issued by NFLPA



Wow. Who would have thought that there are actually standards for NFL agents.




bstinger -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/9/2016 11:09:26 PM)

After a great comeback, the Bungles really earned their name.




SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins fans (1/10/2016 11:40:46 AM)

Go Vikes!

Fascinating game in Cinncy.
Thugs never win.
The biggest two thugs were the biggest two buffoons. Loved it.
Deserved every bit.




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