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Jeff Jesser -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 9:39:05 AM)
Scoggins has a good read today that is everything that is wrong with MN sports. Paraphrasing but he basically said "doesn't matter what we do until we fix the OLine". No SHIT. It's taken him this long to point that out? 98% of this place has been calling that out for at least 3 years. In the meantime, we now have to ALSO fix the secondary and about 5 other singular positions.........AND THE OLINE. OMFG, is running a team that hard? As much angst as I have for Zimmer right now, and the play of the secondary, this falls squarely on RS and his complete failure to fix entire units in a timely manner. He's done it for years. Neglect an entire unit until you can't look away anymore. Then throw every resource you have at it to patch it together quickly while ignoring upcoming problems. WR then LB then secondary and then OL.....when will it end?

TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 9:48:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed The way both overall play the pass Sendejo and Smith should have been linebackers Harris has more of those instincts Sweens mentioned And now he’ll need to get paid as a FA There is no reason on God's green Earth for Sendejo to be brought back ... other than Zimm can't seem to live without him. I could see Smith in a hybrid S/LB role.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 9:51:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed The way both overall play the pass Sendejo and Smith should have been linebackers Harris has more of those instincts Sweens mentioned And now he’ll need to get paid as a FA There is no reason on God's green Earth for Sendejo to be brought back ... other than Zimm can't seem to live without him. I could see Smith in a hybrid S/LB role. Did they miss Gedeon? For the life of me, I haven’t understood what value he brought to the defense. I think Smith in a hybrid role would suit him better.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 9:53:18 AM)
Who stays as is Who comes back only because they re-structure contracts Who is gone Really close to blowing a lot up

TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 9:53:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Scoggins has a good read today that is everything that is wrong with MN sports. Paraphrasing but he basically said "doesn't matter what we do until we fix the OLine". No SHIT. It's taken him this long to point that out? 98% of this place has been calling that out for at least 3 years. In the meantime, we now have to ALSO fix the secondary and about 5 other singular positions.........AND THE OLINE. OMFG, is running a team that hard? As much angst as I have for Zimmer right now, and the play of the secondary, this falls squarely on RS and his complete failure to fix entire units in a timely manner. He's done it for years. Neglect an entire unit until you can't look away anymore. Then throw every resource you have at it to patch it together quickly while ignoring upcoming problems. WR then LB then secondary and then OL.....when will it end? I think a simple upgrade to a legitimate starting LG would cure a lot of ills on the line. I think it is reasonable to believe that Bradbury will improve from year 1 to year 2. Especially if he hits the weight room hard and gets stronger. Kline was adequate at RG. Elfline was just horrible. I take PFF grades with a grain of salt, but Elf graded out at 9.5 out of 100. It adds weight to my belief that he is the worst OG in football.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 10:24:43 AM)
It's hard for me to judge the OLine. I'm just bad at it. If I were forced to give an "educated" opinion (LOL - it wouldn't be one but....): Rieff was 'ok' but needs too much help for the $$ Kline was 'ok' but I think that's because we are so used to 'not ok' Bradbury was a rookie 1st rounder so he gets another year before judgement. I though he got worse as the year went on. Fatigue due to lack of strength like you mention? Elf was flat out bad. It was very irritating. O'neill was good In the years past we've had injuries that clouded whether this unit was bad or just thin. We had no such issues this year. They were just bad overall.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 10:26:26 AM)
Which brings me back to my original point. HTH does RS still have a job? The guy neglects massive problems until there is no way to justify it. And, it's not the first time. He seemingly has no plan in place and does a terrible job looking in to the future.

TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 10:48:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser It's hard for me to judge the OLine. I'm just bad at it. If I were forced to give an "educated" opinion (LOL - it wouldn't be one but....): Rieff was 'ok' but needs too much help for the $$ Agreed, but what are our options? Kline was 'ok' but I think that's because we are so used to 'not ok' Agreed. I am satisfied to not worry about him and see if Samia can push him for the job. Bradbury was a rookie 1st rounder so he gets another year before judgement. I though he got worse as the year went on. Fatigue due to lack of strength like you mention? I thought he started off absolutely horrible, got better for a good stretch of games and then faded at the end. As you said, probably fatigue. Elf was flat out bad. It was very irritating. You have a gift for understatement, my friend. I honestly can't remember when we have had worse LG play. Too small and weak for the pass block, not athletic enough for our running scheme. Small weak and unathletic is poor combination for playing O-line. O'neill was good. Agreed. Very solid, especially in pass blocking. In the years past we've had injuries that clouded whether this unit was bad or just thin. We had no such issues this year. They were just bad overall.

twinsfan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 11:46:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser It's hard for me to judge the OLine. I'm just bad at it. If I were forced to give an "educated" opinion (LOL - it wouldn't be one but....): Rieff was 'ok' but needs too much help for the $$ Agreed, but what are our options? Kline was 'ok' but I think that's because we are so used to 'not ok' Agreed. I am satisfied to not worry about him and see if Samia can push him for the job. Bradbury was a rookie 1st rounder so he gets another year before judgement. I though he got worse as the year went on. Fatigue due to lack of strength like you mention? I thought he started off absolutely horrible, got better for a good stretch of games and then faded at the end. As you said, probably fatigue. Elf was flat out bad. It was very irritating. You have a gift for understatement, my friend. I honestly can't remember when we have had worse LG play. Too small and weak for the pass block, not athletic enough for our running scheme. Small weak and unathletic is poor combination for playing O-line. O'neill was good. Agreed. Very solid, especially in pass blocking. In the years past we've had injuries that clouded whether this unit was bad or just thin. We had no such issues this year. They were just bad overall. Pitching and offensive line play are your areas of expertise. Thank you.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 11:49:05 AM)
You're right. IMO we're stuck with Rieff for now. From what I can tell his contract his year to year and 11 mill this year. Not sure we could get better protection for less money. Best buck for the bang would be to get a stud LG in FA and hope that dose wonders for the entire left side of the line. Not sure who that is though.

MDK -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 12:01:04 PM)
Once again, the window of opportunity and the fact that it doesn't stay open forever seems to be a lost concept with respect to MN professional sports teams.

TJSweens -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 12:42:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser You're right. IMO we're stuck with Rieff for now. From what I can tell his contract his year to year and 11 mill this year. Not sure we could get better protection for less money. Best buck for the bang would be to get a stud LG in FA and hope that dose wonders for the entire left side of the line. Not sure who that is though. The problem is that the Vikings address the offensive line the same way the Twins address starting pitching.

MDK -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 12:43:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser You're right. IMO we're stuck with Rieff for now. From what I can tell his contract his year to year and 11 mill this year. Not sure we could get better protection for less money. Best buck for the bang would be to get a stud LG in FA and hope that dose wonders for the entire left side of the line. Not sure who that is though. The problem is that the Vikings address the offensive line the same way the Twins address starting pitching. But either aren't really that important, are they???????

twinsfan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 1:57:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MDK quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser You're right. IMO we're stuck with Rieff for now. From what I can tell his contract his year to year and 11 mill this year. Not sure we could get better protection for less money. Best buck for the bang would be to get a stud LG in FA and hope that dose wonders for the entire left side of the line. Not sure who that is though. The problem is that the Vikings address the offensive line the same way the Twins address starting pitching. But either aren't really that important, are they??????? You're at least asking the right guy. Tim is the expert on both.

McMurfy -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/14/2020 8:27:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan quote: ORIGINAL: MDK quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser You're right. IMO we're stuck with Rieff for now. From what I can tell his contract his year to year and 11 mill this year. Not sure we could get better protection for less money. Best buck for the bang would be to get a stud LG in FA and hope that dose wonders for the entire left side of the line. Not sure who that is though. The problem is that the Vikings address the offensive line the same way the Twins address starting pitching. But either aren't really that important, are they??????? You're at least asking the right guy. Tim is the expert on both. Tim says he’s an expert on everything. I think he knows a lot about a lot.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 2:32:03 PM)
Love it. Nothing to lose Titans. Play like it! Up 10 early. Henry is what KC can’t stop. Beat KC ! Please!

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 2:49:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SoMnFan Love it. Nothing to lose Titans. Play like it! Up 10 early. Henry is what KC can’t stop. Beat KC ! Please! Good game so far. Vrabel's offense is doing whatever it wants so far.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 2:54:05 PM)
Titans aren't "hogging the ball" to keep KC off the field. They're just out there running play after play effectively. Even on a deep incompletion, the guy is open.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 2:55:03 PM)
Love the coaches. Cold day, long FG not likely, go for it vs PUNT (AKA Zimmer ball)

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 2:58:54 PM)
Typical. Refs gotta get involved

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 2:59:25 PM)
Keep matriculating down the field Titans.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 3:01:21 PM)
First down baby.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 3:03:36 PM)
Can’t stop him! Run until they do.

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 3:04:46 PM)
Love their ingenuity. Are you watching Zimmer?

SoMnFan -> RE: Vikes talk for Twins Fans (1/19/2020 3:14:47 PM)
Just too many weapons on KC

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