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Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 10:38:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jim Frenette quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Yes, because Schafer and Robinson have such wonderful splits.... Both guys are terrible. At least Hicks has the talent to actually do something. It's time to see him and Rosario BOTH and let's fix this outfield defense and cover up for Torii. And I have no doubt that Hicks won't be any worse this year than Schafer's amazing .562 OPS. In fact, he was better than that both of the last 2 years, with Gardy at the helm. With much better defense. There's no reason for Hicks not to be up right now. Hicks splits in 2013: RHP .189 LHP .203 2014 RHP .178 LHP .279 That is why he is in the minors & yep Schafer/Robinson splits are better. Hicks isn't getting picked on...he hasn't been able to hit RHP. If both guys have been terrible---what does that make Hicks? The Twins are over .500 with those 2 splitting CF. They went in the tank with Hicks in CF the last 2 years. There it is right there Phil. Hicks never hit this well at AAA until this year. Looks like he has figured something out finally. They rushed in up here with the trades of Span and Revere I am glad he has had some success in AAA....Buxton in AA, Hicks in AAA, and Escobar, Rosario, CF platoons getting it done at the ML level. I hope Hicks makes a couple tough calls for TR. Twins are over .500---i am pleasantly surprised even though I thought they would be about .500 for the year before E Santana's suspension.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 10:45:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz What are you talking about???? Schafer and Robinson are more automatic outs than Hicks will ever be. AND worse defensively. That's the whole point. Hicks and Rosario should both be playing. Oh don't be offended. Look at Hicks last 2 years....he hasn't approached what either Schafer and Robinson have for current averages. They both have speed and Robinson can play Defense at all 3 OF spots. You wanting Hicks playing OF has blinded you. The Twins are over .500 w/o Hicks and he isn't getting a promotion as long as they are over .500 because he can't hit as well as a Robinson/Schafer platoon yet anyway---those 2 have been far from automatic outs. Schafer and Robinson have been hitting well lately. I see Arcia, Escobar, Rosario, and Buxton blocking Hicks playing time. The Twins had a grand opportunity to trade away Escobar this offseason and just can't let him go. 1) Batting average? What is this? 1980? Schafer's OPS is .562. .562! Batting average means basically nothing. We can't really have an intelligent baseball discussion if you're going to have just straight batting average be your measure. Again, Hicks was better than that for the last 2 years, even in his "horrible" time. I actually applauded Schafer for his time last year and thought "ok, he can be a decent 4th OF'er". This year he has made even that tough to swallow with what he's done. 2) The Twins' record should have nothing to do with playing time for an individual position. Hicks provides more than either Schafer or Robinson does. Those guys are 4th OF'ers. Hicks can be much more than that. Aaron Hicks is a 25 year old "still prospect" that has a solid minor league track record, very good tools, and is a former 1st rd pick. And he's had a whopping 538 major league plate appearances. Jordan Schafer is a 28 year old who has a career .618 OPS in 1461 PA's (and even those numbers are enhanced given his steroids track record). And he's not as good defensively as Hicks. Shane Robinson is a 30 year old with a career .627 OPS (not much better) and a .734 minor league OPS (despite his advanced age). Both of those career OPS's, by the way, are only barely better than Hicks in his "disastrous" first 500 PA's. And all with worse defense. Ya, Hicks may not become all he's capable of, but there's no question who we should be playing right now of those 3 guys.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 10:56:37 PM)
Huh?? You want OPS #s Hicks Minor League OPS hasn't translated yet to the Majors... Hicks OPS in 2013 .597 2014 .615 after he rased his OPS in Sept. garbage time. FYI Schafers OPS in 2014 was 100 points higher than Hicks and Schafer only has 69 AB so far this year and just went 3 for 3 and 1 for 3 his last 2 nights.... Shane Robinson's OPS is .770 currently. FYI OPS isn't helping you too much. Hicks has had his best minor league season ever this year and what is his current OPS? He isn't a Rosario, Arcia, Sano, or Buxton prospect no matter how much you try to fudge the numbers. He compares pretty close to Robinson and Schafer when you look at his Minor League numbers.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 11:03:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz What are you talking about???? Schafer and Robinson are more automatic outs than Hicks will ever be. AND worse defensively. That's the whole point. Hicks and Rosario should both be playing. Oh don't be offended. Look at Hicks last 2 years....he hasn't approached what either Schafer and Robinson have for current averages. They both have speed and Robinson can play Defense at all 3 OF spots. You wanting Hicks playing OF has blinded you. The Twins are over .500 w/o Hicks and he isn't getting a promotion as long as they are over .500 because he can't hit as well as a Robinson/Schafer platoon yet anyway---those 2 have been far from automatic outs. Schafer and Robinson have been hitting well lately. I see Arcia, Escobar, Rosario, and Buxton blocking Hicks playing time. The Twins had a grand opportunity to trade away Escobar this offseason and just can't let him go. 1) Batting average? What is this? 1980? Schafer's OPS is .562. .562! Batting average means basically nothing. We can't really have an intelligent baseball discussion if you're going to have just straight batting average be your measure. Again, Hicks was better than that for the last 2 years, even in his "horrible" time. I actually applauded Schafer for his time last year and thought "ok, he can be a decent 4th OF'er". This year he has made even that tough to swallow with what he's done. 2) The Twins' record should have nothing to do with playing time for an individual position. Hicks provides more than either Schafer or Robinson does. Those guys are 4th OF'ers. Hicks can be much more than that. Aaron Hicks is a 25 year old "still prospect" that has a solid minor league track record, very good tools, and is a former 1st rd pick. And he's had a whopping 538 major league plate appearances. Jordan Schafer is a 28 year old who has a career .618 OPS in 1461 PA's (and even those numbers are enhanced given his steroids track record). And he's not as good defensively as Hicks. Shane Robinson is a 30 year old with a career .627 OPS (not much better) and a .734 minor league OPS (despite his advanced age). Both of those career OPS's, by the way, are only barely better than Hicks in his "disastrous" first 500 PA's. And all with worse defense. Ya, Hicks may not become all he's capable of, but there's no question who we should be playing right now of those 3 guys. Hicks sucks.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 11:04:57 PM)
Yes, it is. 1) The point is to never bring up batting average alone as a measure of anything. It's pointless. 2) Again, Schafer has been horrible this year. Horrible. A .562 OPS is Butera-esque and worse than anything Hicks did in his two brief stints in 2013 and 2014. Coupled with worse OF defense, which is a major issue for this team right now. 3) I agree with you that the sample sizes are small, as they were for 500 PA's with Hicks in his first 2 tastes of action. I prefer to look at the longterm, because not even Shane Robinson's mom believes he's going to maintain a .770 OPS. You can't talk about the lack of ab's for Schafer in one breath and brag about Robinson's .770 OPS in even fewer ab's in the next. Look at their careers. They are journeymen 4th OF'ers at best. They've proven that over time. Hicks has not had the chance to prove what he is yet. He's 25 and has proven all he has to in the minors. It's time to see what he has once and for all. It'd be relatively shocking if he's not at LEAST as productive as those 2 overall. And he has potential to be much more still, something those 2 do not. Now is the time to find out. Ditto for Rosario.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 11:05:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz What are you talking about???? Schafer and Robinson are more automatic outs than Hicks will ever be. AND worse defensively. That's the whole point. Hicks and Rosario should both be playing. Oh don't be offended. Look at Hicks last 2 years....he hasn't approached what either Schafer and Robinson have for current averages. They both have speed and Robinson can play Defense at all 3 OF spots. You wanting Hicks playing OF has blinded you. The Twins are over .500 w/o Hicks and he isn't getting a promotion as long as they are over .500 because he can't hit as well as a Robinson/Schafer platoon yet anyway---those 2 have been far from automatic outs. Schafer and Robinson have been hitting well lately. I see Arcia, Escobar, Rosario, and Buxton blocking Hicks playing time. The Twins had a grand opportunity to trade away Escobar this offseason and just can't let him go. 1) Batting average? What is this? 1980? Schafer's OPS is .562. .562! Batting average means basically nothing. We can't really have an intelligent baseball discussion if you're going to have just straight batting average be your measure. Again, Hicks was better than that for the last 2 years, even in his "horrible" time. I actually applauded Schafer for his time last year and thought "ok, he can be a decent 4th OF'er". This year he has made even that tough to swallow with what he's done. 2) The Twins' record should have nothing to do with playing time for an individual position. Hicks provides more than either Schafer or Robinson does. Those guys are 4th OF'ers. Hicks can be much more than that. Aaron Hicks is a 25 year old "still prospect" that has a solid minor league track record, very good tools, and is a former 1st rd pick. And he's had a whopping 538 major league plate appearances. Jordan Schafer is a 28 year old who has a career .618 OPS in 1461 PA's (and even those numbers are enhanced given his steroids track record). And he's not as good defensively as Hicks. Shane Robinson is a 30 year old with a career .627 OPS (not much better) and a .734 minor league OPS (despite his advanced age). Both of those career OPS's, by the way, are only barely better than Hicks in his "disastrous" first 500 PA's. And all with worse defense. Ya, Hicks may not become all he's capable of, but there's no question who we should be playing right now of those 3 guys. Hicks sucks. Seems like a rational argument...

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 11:11:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Yes, it is. 1) The point is to never bring up batting average alone as a measure of anything. It's pointless. 2) Again, Schafer has been horrible this year. Horrible. A .562 OPS is Butera-esque. 3) I agree with you that the sample sizes are small, as they were for 500 PA's with Hicks in his first 2 tastes of action. I prefer to look at the longterm, because not even Shane Robinson's mom believes he's going to maintain a .770 OPS. You can't talk about the lack of ab's for Schafer in one breath and brag about Robinson's .770 OPS in even fewer ab's in the next. Look at their careers. They are journeymen 4th OF'ers at best. They've proven that over time. Hicks has not had the chance to prove what he is yet. He's 25 and has proven all he has to in the minors. It's time to see what he has once and for all. It'd be relatively shocking if he's not at LEAST as productive as those 2 overall. And he has potential to be much more still, something those 2 do not. Now is the time to find out. Ditto for Rosario. No he hasn't proven he can hit righties....OPS doesn't show that. BA splits do FYI. If you were just using OPS you wouldn't realize Hicks hits Lefties a ton but is a punching judy against righties going into this year. Managers use Batting Splits and BVP (Batter vs Pitcher) as much as OPS....even the geekiest of geeks for fantasy purposes use Weighted OPS which factor which side the opposing Pitcher throws from how they have hit recently, etc. So to tell me that I only look at Batting Average.......nice one.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 11:16:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Yes, it is. 1) The point is to never bring up batting average alone as a measure of anything. It's pointless. 2) Again, Schafer has been horrible this year. Horrible. A .562 OPS is Butera-esque. 3) I agree with you that the sample sizes are small, as they were for 500 PA's with Hicks in his first 2 tastes of action. I prefer to look at the longterm, because not even Shane Robinson's mom believes he's going to maintain a .770 OPS. You can't talk about the lack of ab's for Schafer in one breath and brag about Robinson's .770 OPS in even fewer ab's in the next. Look at their careers. They are journeymen 4th OF'ers at best. They've proven that over time. Hicks has not had the chance to prove what he is yet. He's 25 and has proven all he has to in the minors. It's time to see what he has once and for all. It'd be relatively shocking if he's not at LEAST as productive as those 2 overall. And he has potential to be much more still, something those 2 do not. Now is the time to find out. Ditto for Rosario. No he hasn't proven he can hit righties....OPS doesn't show that. BA splits do FYI. If you were just using OPS you wouldn't realize Hicks hits Lefties a ton but is a punching judy against righties going into this year. FYI: BA still doesn't effectively show that. OPS still does. And you would realize that's wrong this year if you read Ed's post. Also, last post on this, but: Robinson can't really hit lefties or righties in his career and 50 PA fluke sample aside that figures to continue, but here's a novel concept: have him play against righties if need be and Hicks against lefties and slowly work Hicks into more and more time against righties if you must. And jettison Schafer. Not that difficult. Or even platoon Rosario and Hicks (L/R), jettison both, and give Rosario and Hicks plenty of playing time in place of Hunter and Arcia since both are disasters in the OF at this point.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/6/2015 11:22:56 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Yes, it is. 1) The point is to never bring up batting average alone as a measure of anything. It's pointless. 2) Again, Schafer has been horrible this year. Horrible. A .562 OPS is Butera-esque. 3) I agree with you that the sample sizes are small, as they were for 500 PA's with Hicks in his first 2 tastes of action. I prefer to look at the longterm, because not even Shane Robinson's mom believes he's going to maintain a .770 OPS. You can't talk about the lack of ab's for Schafer in one breath and brag about Robinson's .770 OPS in even fewer ab's in the next. Look at their careers. They are journeymen 4th OF'ers at best. They've proven that over time. Hicks has not had the chance to prove what he is yet. He's 25 and has proven all he has to in the minors. It's time to see what he has once and for all. It'd be relatively shocking if he's not at LEAST as productive as those 2 overall. And he has potential to be much more still, something those 2 do not. Now is the time to find out. Ditto for Rosario. No he hasn't proven he can hit righties....OPS doesn't show that. BA splits do FYI. If you were just using OPS you wouldn't realize Hicks hits Lefties a ton but is a punching judy against righties going into this year. FYI: BA still doesn't effectively show that. OPS still does. And you would realize that's wrong this year if you read Ed's post. As long as the Twins are winning I don't care if Hicks gets a callup. Baseball Reference does have Split OPS. and it is even worse than I thought Hicks is a career .548 OPS against righties....he needs to face righties at AAA for another couple weeks at least. That I do agree with.

ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 12:05:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN Hicks sucks. Succinct, yet "sarcastic"[&:]

ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 12:10:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer As long as the Twins are winning I don't care if Hicks gets a callup. BOOM The other thing I find interesting about Hicks is the fact that Molitor isn't so high on him. Is he wrong as well??

JT2 -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 12:17:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: ewen21 Doug Bernier up, Nunez to the DL An oblique issue. Really? Nunez must not have worked out enough in the offseason. For a skinny guy, must have been out of shape. Seriously this medical staff needs to be fired. Do these idiots not know how to stretch by now? quote: Bernier jumps onto the roster again. 9 lives. Oh, Whooopeee!!!! Bernier gets another chance. Maybe we should go grab us up some Nick Punto or Drew Butera too! Is Brendan Harris available? How about LewLew Ford? Can we talk Kubel or Bartlett out of retirement? quote: Erv onto the restricted/suspended to make room. Why in the holy shit was he not on this list already? 20 reps each way on a sitting down oblique machine at 100-130 lbs three times per week will ensure this injury could NEVER happen. Not rocket science. Just can't help myself from chiming in on such an ignorant statement. Here's a guess, a Dan Cole fan, and somebody who has never played competitive sports (not golf, real sports) at even a low level. The vast majority of professional athletes, even baseball players, would laugh at your sure-fire remedy to avoid "oblique issues".

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 5:46:41 AM)
Wednesday Roch lost 3-1 Pinto 1-4/SoloHR(3), the other 5 hits were singles Dean 2-2 5.2IP 9H/3R/3BB/K Hamburger 1.2IP 2H/BB 0-2 IRS O'Rourke .2IP 0-1 IRS Chatt lost 4-3 Kepler 2-4/R, Walker 1-4/double/R/RBI, Harrison 1-3/double/BB/R Wimmers 6IP 3H/2R/4BB/6K Shibuya 0-1 2IP 2H/2R/BB/K CJohnson IP 2K FTM 9-0 winner Haar 2-4/2R/RBI, Swim2-5/2R, Granite 2-5/R/rBI, Vielma 2-5/R, Goodrum 1-4/2R HR(4), Kanzler 1-2/R/RBI, Garver 1-3/2RBI 6-7 RISP on the night Hu 4-0 5IP 5H/BB/2K Velez 3IP 4K Tapia IP H CRapids scored 3 times in the 6th and7th, won 8-2 Murphy 3-5/triple/2R/3RBI, Vavra 3-5/2R, Silva 1-3/double/BB/RBI, English 1-4/double/BB/R Curtiss 2-2 6IP 6H/2R/8K Hildenberger 2IP 3K Booser IP 2K

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 7:16:32 AM)
A bigger injustice than Hicks is that Pinto is sitting at about the same numbers as Hicks and is at AAA.....

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 7:18:18 AM)
A team that is 19th in OPS but 9th in Runs and BA sure put it to a good pitcher last night.... :)

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 7:20:28 AM)
Pitching is now 14th.....hmmmm. If you are 14th in pitching, 9th in Runs, and 19th in Fielding Percentage....not bad.

TJSweens -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 7:39:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ewen21 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer As long as the Twins are winning I don't care if Hicks gets a callup. BOOM The other thing I find interesting about Hicks is the fact that Molitor isn't so high on him. Is he wrong as well?? Molitor has never indicated anything of the sort. He said he wasn't going to call Hicks up for a short term, fill in scenario. He also said Hicks' time could be coming soon.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 8:31:03 AM)
Very refreshing to see Santana and Escobar lead the offense again. Those 2 deserve a lot of credit. They seem to have carried over some of their performances from last year.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 8:39:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ewen21 quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer As long as the Twins are winning I don't care if Hicks gets a callup. BOOM The other thing I find interesting about Hicks is the fact that Molitor isn't so high on him. Is he wrong as well?? Who says that? He wanted Rosario because he loves Rosario and this is a cup of coffee callup with the DL issue for Arcia. Where did he say he doesn't like Hicks? I just think Hicks should be up in place of Schafer. In fact, I think BOTH Hicks and Rosario should be up and Robinson and Schafer gone. Edit: I see Sweens beat me to it.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 8:43:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JT2 quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed quote: ORIGINAL: ewen21 Doug Bernier up, Nunez to the DL An oblique issue. Really? Nunez must not have worked out enough in the offseason. For a skinny guy, must have been out of shape. Seriously this medical staff needs to be fired. Do these idiots not know how to stretch by now? quote: Bernier jumps onto the roster again. 9 lives. Oh, Whooopeee!!!! Bernier gets another chance. Maybe we should go grab us up some Nick Punto or Drew Butera too! Is Brendan Harris available? How about LewLew Ford? Can we talk Kubel or Bartlett out of retirement? quote: Erv onto the restricted/suspended to make room. Why in the holy shit was he not on this list already? 20 reps each way on a sitting down oblique machine at 100-130 lbs three times per week will ensure this injury could NEVER happen. Not rocket science. Just can't help myself from chiming in on such an ignorant statement. Here's a guess, a Dan Cole fan, and somebody who has never played competitive sports (not golf, real sports) at even a low level. The vast majority of professional athletes, even baseball players, would laugh at your sure-fire remedy to avoid "oblique issues". Thank you. Baseball is a rather tough sport in terms of torque as well over the course of the season. Almost everything you do involves a violent twist of the body; swings, throws, pitching, etc. I'm never one to lay off this Twins' medical staff, but look around the league. Oblique injuries everywhere, from some of the best athletes in the sport. It's the nature of the beast.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 8:46:23 AM)
Speaking of injuries....MLB Network was talking about the Milwaukee Brewers.....they haven't had a TJ injury in 5 years. I don't know if it their drafts, training staff, or minor league programs but that is pretty impressive.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 8:59:02 AM)
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djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/7/2015 9:00:01 AM)
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