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Jim Frenette -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/10/2015 8:45:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stacey King Alex Meyer's night: 8 outs, 8 ER, 9 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HR. 63 pitches. ERA at 7.62 So this means next outing will be good.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/10/2015 5:25:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Stacey King Alex Meyer's night: 8 outs, 8 ER, 9 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HR. 63 pitches. ERA at 7.62 Time to release this guy. Hopeless cause.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/10/2015 8:45:25 PM)
Sunday CRapids and FTM were off Roch lost 3-1 Just 3 hits. Rodriguez 2-4/Solo HR(2) Wheeler 1-2 7.1IP 6H/3R/3K/2HR Oliveros .2IP 0-1 IRS 18 hits, 5 walks and Chatt rolls, 16-3. 7-17 RISP, 10 LOB Polanco 4-5/triple/R/3RBI/E(5), Sano 2-4/2 Sac Fly/double/4RBI/E(8), Wickens 3-5/4R, Buxton 2-4/Bb/3R/2RBI, Kepler 3-5/2doubles/2R/RBI, Walker 2-5/double/2R HR(8)/2R/4RBI, Harrison 1-3/double/3BB/2R Baxendale 3-0 5IP 6H/2R/2BB/5K/HR CJohnson 2IP 3H/R/2K Burdi 2IP 2H/BB/3K

ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/10/2015 8:47:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Stacey King Alex Meyer's night: 8 outs, 8 ER, 9 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HR. 63 pitches. ERA at 7.62 Time to release this guy. Hopeless cause. Wow. He is starting to smell like a bust. He needs to get his shit together in short order.

Steve Lentz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/10/2015 9:21:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ewen21 quote: ORIGINAL: CPAMAN quote: ORIGINAL: Stacey King Alex Meyer's night: 8 outs, 8 ER, 9 H, 1 BB, 2 K, 1 HR. 63 pitches. ERA at 7.62 Time to release this guy. Hopeless cause. Wow. He is starting to smell like a bust. He needs to get his shit together in short order. There's a reason he hasn't been brought up. How in the heck do we find some more pitching?

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:30:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Pete M. quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Page 6 [image]local://36/D0DA9CAE373146948D53238747A0A7DA.JPG[/image] [image]local://36/0AE9495090BB4541B235F76A0DACEAA1.JPG[/image] [image]local://36/6829F9684A1D44A9907DD08E26989018.JPG[/image] Skilz, it's great to see that your scanner is working again. That thing sure has seemed to go on the fritz a lot over the years. [sm=rollinglaugh.gif][sm=rollinglaugh.gif][sm=rollinglaugh.gif][sm=rollinglaugh.gif]

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:32:41 AM)
Meyer should have been up last year. He was really dominant for a stretch. I actually am worried there's an injury that hasn't been diagnosed yet. We keep wasting his bullets in the minors. There's only so many on a guy that throws upper 90's and is 6'9".

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:36:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed 3 wins and a rainout Friday CRapids rained out Chatt walked off 3-2 winners on a HR byTurner with 1 out in the 9th(1-3/BB/2R/RBI/SB(2), Polanco 2-3/R/BB, Buxton 1-4/RBI, Gonzales 1-3/double/BB/RBI Berrios 8IP 3H/2R/3BB/8K Jones 2-0 IP K 3-0 shutout for Roch Ortiz supplied the offense with a first inning 3R HR(#4, 1-4), Hicks 1-4/double(8), Rodriguez 2-4/double Milone 1-0 6.1IP 5H/2BB/8K Hamburber 1.2IP H/BB/K 0-2 IRS Achter IP K/Save(92) 14 hits for FTM in 6-4 win Wade 3-4/double/2R/SB(2)/E(5), Haar 3-4/2doubles/RBI, Granite 3-5/R/RBI, Swim 2-4/R/RBI Eades 2-0 7.1IP 9H/4R/3ER/BB/4K Van Steensel 1.2IP K/0-2 IRS Save(3) Milone pitching angry. Get him back up here.

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:40:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Meyer should have been up last year. He was really dominant for a stretch. I actually am worried there's an injury that hasn't been diagnosed yet. We keep wasting his bullets in the minors. There's only so many on a guy that throws upper 90's and is 6'9". Unfortunately I'm close to giving up on Meyer. Injury or no, it's not good. An injury is even worse news than "he's just struggling," right? I liked the Span trade. We played the odds on a top prospect. Unfortunately it came up snake eyes.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:44:46 AM)
Milone is a AAAA guy for me still. Or suited best for long relief. You know, Duensing's role... I still think our pen is very solveable in-house. Call Meyer up for the rotation. Sink or swim. Unless he's hurt. Call Oliveros up. Put May in the pen. Very, very soon: bring Berrios up. Possibly even before Meyer if he's hurt. He's about ready IMO. Jettison Nolasco. In the next month or so, bring up Zach Jones. Jettison Duensing/ Rotation: Gibson Hughes Meyer/Berrios Pelfrey Nolasco (only until Santana is back, then cut loose) Pen: Perkins Fien Tonkin Oliveros Graham May Milone Jones in the wings. Meyer too if he doesn't get it together. While we're at it, time for Hicks/Pinto/Rosario full-time too. C-Pinto, 1b-Mauer, 2b-Dozier, SS-Santana, 3b-Plouffe, RF-Hunter, CF-Hicks, LF-Rosario, DH-Vargas. Bench: plenty of AB's still for Arcia (400 or so-DH/LF/RF/1b), Suzuki (300 or so), Escobar (300 or so), Nunez (150 or so). That's a really, really good bench. Maybe the best the Twins have ever had. And it's only going to get better once Buxton/Sano/Polanco are ready too.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:46:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: twinsfan quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Meyer should have been up last year. He was really dominant for a stretch. I actually am worried there's an injury that hasn't been diagnosed yet. We keep wasting his bullets in the minors. There's only so many on a guy that throws upper 90's and is 6'9". Unfortunately I'm close to giving up on Meyer. Injury or no, it's not good. An injury is even worse news than "he's just struggling," right? I liked the Span trade. We played the odds on a top prospect. Unfortunately it came up snake eyes. I always thought people undervalued Span. He's in the top half of CF'ers in the game IMO, at a minimum. But I still wouldn't give up on this trade yet. A guy Meyer's size and length is always going to go through inconsistency. But it's not over yet, not by a long shot.

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:47:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Meyer should have been up last year. He was really dominant for a stretch. I actually am worried there's an injury that hasn't been diagnosed yet. We keep wasting his bullets in the minors. There's only so many on a guy that throws upper 90's and is 6'9". Mackey is pitching a similar theory on Meyer. He says the Twins messed up Meyer's head by not calling him up last season when he was successful. Therefore Meyer wondered "what do I have to do?" So he was depressed and tried some new things and it all fell apart. Kind of like the Brandon Harris theory, except applied to a pitcher and a prospect. Wetmore asks, isn't that a sign of mental weakness on the prospect? Mackey did not have a solid rebuttal.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:47:57 AM)
I tend to agree that's what has happened here, if not an injury. We have not handled our best prospects well at all for years now development-wise. Hopefully that all changes with Molitor.

twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:49:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Milone is a AAAA guy for me still. Or suited best for long relief. You know, Duensing's role... I still think our pen is very solveable in-house. Call Meyer up for the rotation. Sink or swim. Unless he's hurt. Call Oliveros up. Put May in the pen. Very, very soon: bring Berrios up. Possibly even before Meyer if he's hurt. He's about ready IMO. Jettison Nolasco. In the next month or so, bring up Zach Jones. Jettison Duensing/ Rotation: Gibson Hughes Meyer/Berrios Pelfrey Nolasco (only until Santana is back, then cut loose) Pen: Perkins Fien Tonkin Oliveros Graham May Milone Jones in the wings. Meyer too if he doesn't get it together. While we're at it, time for Hicks/Pinto/Rosario full-time too. C-Pinto, 1b-Mauer, 2b-Dozier, SS-Santana, 3b-Plouffe, RF-Hunter, CF-Hicks, LF-Rosario, DH-Vargas. Bench: plenty of AB's still for Arcia (400 or so-DH/LF/RF/1b), Suzuki (300 or so), Escobar (300 or so), Nunez (150 or so). That's a really, really good bench. Maybe the best the Twins have ever had. And it's only going to get better once Buxton/Sano/Polanco are ready too. We'd probably have fallen into one or two more wins if we had Pinto out there instead of Suzuki. I really looked at Suzuki's stats this season for the first time when I went to the game on Thursday. U-G-L-Y. But he's doing a wonder for our pitchers, I'm sure.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:51:53 AM)
quote: Jones in the wings. Sadly, TRyan will probably want a 1/2 season in AAA first. There should be no one there stopping him from advancing right now.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 9:56:01 AM)
Yep, Ed. I'd like to see him up very soon. He's got nothing left to prove IMO. I'd probably move Reed up as well. Let Burdi get more time in AA.

Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 10:18:06 AM)
Miguel Sano turns 22 today. He is in Double-A. Bryce Harper turned 22 in October. He has 1,627 #MLB plate apps, 66 career homers. Miguel Sano has lifted his batting average 48 points in four games since Terry Ryan's arrival. TR following the team to Birmingham, I'm told Since Ryan's arrival, @ChattLookouts are 4-0. #MNTwins GM is scheduled to watch them play 3 more games over next 2 days at Birmingham.

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 10:22:05 AM)
Well, not that I disagree with the sentiment, but it's a little unfair to compare any guy (even Sano) to Bryce Harper. I've done it myself on a grander scale with Buxton/Trout. Trout IMO may go down as the greatest position player in the history of the game. But as high as I am on Buxton, I don't "expect" that out of him. That's just an impossible standard.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 10:49:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Well, not that I disagree with the sentiment, but it's a little unfair to compare any guy (even Sano) to Bryce Harper. I've done it myself on a grander scale with Buxton/Trout. Trout IMO may go down as the greatest position player in the history of the game. But as high as I am on Buxton, I don't "expect" that out of him. That's just an impossible standard. If not for the Elbow Injury and a lost year he might be up already. I am glad Terry went down there to encourage him....

djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 11:05:17 AM)
He's always going to have some strikeout issues, but I do think it's mainly rust. You could see the same with Buxton earlier this year and it just took him a bit to get back to being comfortable, get his timing down, etc. You could immediately see a couple of tweaks from him from early in the year to now (well, as of a week ago).

Jim Frenette -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 11:17:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Meyer should have been up last year. He was really dominant for a stretch. I actually am worried there's an injury that hasn't been diagnosed yet. We keep wasting his bullets in the minors. There's only so many on a guy that throws upper 90's and is 6'9". Sorry Dustin, he was same last year, good game, bad game. Never close to dominating the level to warrant a call up. Now he did have some games that he out performed May, but not close to as consistent as May.

Jim Frenette -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 11:21:05 AM)
Hicks POW

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 12:43:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Meyer should have been up last year. He was really dominant for a stretch. I actually am worried there's an injury that hasn't been diagnosed yet. We keep wasting his bullets in the minors. There's only so many on a guy that throws upper 90's and is 6'9". If Meyer is "wearing out" already, he was never worth a damn in the first place.

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 12:46:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: djskillz Milone is a AAAA guy for me still. Or suited best for long relief. You know, Duensing's role... I still think our pen is very solveable in-house. Call Meyer up for the rotation. Sink or swim. Unless he's hurt. Call Oliveros up. Put May in the pen. Very, very soon: bring Berrios up. Possibly even before Meyer if he's hurt. He's about ready IMO. Jettison Nolasco. In the next month or so, bring up Zach Jones. Jettison Duensing/ Rotation: Gibson Hughes Meyer/Berrios Pelfrey Nolasco (only until Santana is back, then cut loose) Pen: Perkins Fien Tonkin Oliveros Graham May Milone Jones in the wings. Meyer too if he doesn't get it together. While we're at it, time for Hicks/Pinto/Rosario full-time too. C-Pinto, 1b-Mauer, 2b-Dozier, SS-Santana, 3b-Plouffe, RF-Hunter, CF-Hicks, LF-Rosario, DH-Vargas. Bench: plenty of AB's still for Arcia (400 or so-DH/LF/RF/1b), Suzuki (300 or so), Escobar (300 or so), Nunez (150 or so). That's a really, really good bench. Maybe the best the Twins have ever had. And it's only going to get better once Buxton/Sano/Polanco are ready too. No one will argue that both Nolasco and Duensing should be "jettisoned" as you call it Dustin. But these are TR signings and "dadgummit, they stay for the tenure of their contracts".

CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (5/11/2015 12:49:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed Miguel Sano turns 22 today. He is in Double-A. Bryce Harper turned 22 in October. He has 1,627 #MLB plate apps, 66 career homers. Miguel Sano has lifted his batting average 48 points in four games since Terry Ryan's arrival. TR following the team to Birmingham, I'm told Since Ryan's arrival, @ChattLookouts are 4-0. #MNTwins GM is scheduled to watch them play 3 more games over next 2 days at Birmingham. Amazing that a player can be productive before they age 28. Another four or five years of seasoning and Sano "may" be ready.

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