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Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/1/2015 9:35:44 PM)

FTM a 6-2 winner Wednesday night.

Swim 3-5/R/3RBI, Mejia 2-4/R/RBI,Vielma 2-3/double/BB/R, Granite 1-4/2R/SB(8)

Slegers 5-4 7IP 7H/2R/7K
GIlbert IP BB
Jay IP K



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/1/2015 9:44:42 PM)

CRapids a 3-2 winner

Real 3-4/R/RBI, Murphy 1-4/triple/RBI Valera 1-4/RBI

Jorge 6IP 4H/BB/3K/E(4)
Theofanopoulos 2-2/BS 2IP 2H/2R/1ER/2BB/4K
Hildenberger IP K/Save(9)



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/1/2015 10:35:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

FTM a 6-2 winner Wednesday night.

Swim 3-5/R/3RBI, Mejia 2-4/R/RBI,Vielma 2-3/double/BB/R, Granite 1-4/2R/SB(8)

Slegers 5-4 7IP 7H/2R/7K
GIlbert IP BB
Jay IP K


Nice. Get Jay moving. They really need to ramp up some of these guys.

Tonkin SHOULD be in the majors.
Oliveros SHOULD be in the majors. Cut some dead weight.
Jones (when he's back) SHOULD be in AAA.
Chargois soon behind him.

Let's start getting these relievers some work to help this pen.



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 5:53:19 AM)

Eliz gave up3 in the top/9th, tied it with 1, then won in 13 7-4

Minier hit a 3 run HR to win it(2-3/HR#2/4RBI), Kihle 2-3/2R, Montesino 2-4/double/BB/R, Silva 2-5/double/R

Nordrgren 5IP 8H/R/3BB/K
Lombana 2IP BB/K
Mciver BS 2IP 5H/3R
Lo 1-0 4IP H/BB/6K



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 8:42:38 AM)

Going to try to watch them Sunday, Ed.



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 8:47:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Going to try to watch them Sunday, Ed.


Not surprisingly, Minier has 2 dingers there already. Guess they figured out he should be playing above the GCL level.

Same with a couple of the OFs they drafted.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 8:50:07 AM)

Yep. Diaz and Minier do give some hope down at the lower levels. Sure wish Thorpe was healthy this year. I still believe in his future.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 8:53:56 AM)

I know we have a bunch of young exciting players on the way. A lot of talk centers around how bright the future looks in here, but I am still wondering what next year is going to shape up to be. I hear a lot about the bullpen, but that doesn't even concern me. Bullpens can be built in no time.

I am much more concerned about the offense to be honest with you. Mauer, Hunter, Suzuki take up a third of the lineup. Mauer is a shell of his former self and cannot be relied upon to be anything but (at best) an average to low average first baseman. Suzuki and Hunter? Forget about them. Looking at things objectively, the Twins have gaping holes all over the diamond that need to be filled. I'd say the only place where they are set for next is second base. Other than that there are question marks everywhere. You can tell me Trevor Plouffe is a solid option at 3rd, but he is wildly inconsistent. There is literally no telling what we can get from him offensively. We can put Buxton in CF and Sano somewhere, but we are far from being set around the diamond. I can't even see the beginnings of something taking shape. HOnestly.

How is this team going to field a starting nine? Will someone please tell me without tearing me a new asshole, because I am just not seeing it yet. Not in the near future at least. The bullpen is not a primary concern (unless you believe this club is a contender, which is ridiculous).



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:00:16 AM)

Are you serious?

CF-set. And Buxton figures to be above average right from the gate next year.
LF-set. Rosario has more than held his own and is only going to get better. And he's 23.
RF-not set yet. But plenty of options. It would be a surprise if one of Kepler/Arcia/Walker/Sano isn't a real option there very soon.
3b-Plouffe is not inconsistent. He's actually very consistent. 2012-.756 OPS, 2013-.701 OPS, 2014-.751 OPS, 2015-.752 OPS. All positive OPS+'s other than 2013, and he was close. To go with good defense. He's a top 10 3b in the game overall at this point.
SS-not set. We have a hole to fill there.
2b-set. We may have the best in the game now in Dozier.
1b-Joe needs to play better, no question. There's also other options if something is really wrong. Sano/Vargas, etc. And actually Joe has barely been below average this year at the position, despite the worst year of his career. OPS+ of 95. 100 is average.
DH-not set yet. But again, plenty of options. It would be a large surprise if Sano isn't at LEAST league average by 2016. And I think he figures to be much better than that offensively almost right away.
C-not set yet. We need help. Pinto would be a big plus though and probably make us "average" there.

I'm not seeing these glaring holes for the future. I see between 1 and 3, among C/SS/1b.



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:00:41 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Yep. Diaz and Minier do give some hope down at the lower levels. Sure wish Thorpe was healthy this year. I still believe in his future.


I'm not all that concerned with Thorpe.

Having TJ surgery while developing is becoming so much more common.

More of a concern would be shoulder troubles, like Bundy is having with BALT.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:02:22 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Yep. Diaz and Minier do give some hope down at the lower levels. Sure wish Thorpe was healthy this year. I still believe in his future.


I'm not all that concerned with Thorpe.

Having TJ surgery while developing is becoming so much more common.

More of a concern would be shoulder troubles, like Bundy is having with BALT.


Yep. Or Stewart. Which is still my biggest concern with him, not the K's.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:32:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Are you serious?

CF-set. And Buxton figures to be above average right from the gate next year.
LF-set. Rosario has more than held his own and is only going to get better. And he's 23.
RF-not set yet. But plenty of options. It would be a surprise if one of Kepler/Arcia/Walker/Sano isn't a real option there very soon.
3b-Plouffe is not inconsistent. He's actually very consistent. 2012-.756 OPS, 2013-.701 OPS, 2014-.751 OPS, 2015-.752 OPS. All positive OPS+'s other than 2013, and he was close. To go with good defense. He's a top 10 3b in the game overall at this point.
SS-not set. We have a hole to fill there.
2b-set. We may have the best in the game now in Dozier.
1b-Joe needs to play better, no question. There's also other options if something is really wrong. Sano/Vargas, etc. And actually Joe has barely been below average this year at the position, despite the worst year of his career. OPS+ of 95. 100 is average.
DH-not set yet. But again, plenty of options. It would be a large surprise if Sano isn't at LEAST league average by 2016. And I think he figures to be much better than that offensively almost right away.
C-not set yet. We need help. Pinto would be a big plus though and probably make us "average" there.

I'm not seeing these glaring holes for the future. I see between 1 and 3, among C/SS/1b.


I am serious. What made you think I was kidding? I explained my concerns very clearly. Do you think I am being obtuse?
I see your assessments and I see holes in your thinking. You are essentially presenting the best case scenario--and while that is really nice, it doesn't represent reality. At least not in my opinion. We can talk gumdrops and lollipops all day long, but when do we analyze the other side?

First of all, I don't agree with your statement that Buxton will be above average right out of the gate next year. I think that is unreasonable to expect. You are going to need to give me details on what you envision because I honestly don't believe the Twins have those expectations. They shouldn't if they are reasonably assessing his development. In might take him two or three more seasons to find himself. I don't see his bat as being ready. I would also like to see the guy stay healthy because the issue of staying on the field is starting to become a concern.

I love Eddie Rosario so far. I have liked him since he and Sano were raking the Appalachian League. He is not a proven commodity, however. You say "he is only going to get better"....have you forgotten about Arcia, Vargas and Santana?? The truth is we have no idea what kind of player he will be next year. He's had about 170 plate appearances in the bigs. And given his history of suspensions and other things, he is far from "set"

We can go round and round with Plouffe. Trevor IS inconsistent within seasons. He gets hot and then goes into deep slumps where he looks absolutely horrendous. All players do, but Plouffe's crests and troughs are a lot more severe. It is something that concerns me. The guy has a career OBP of .309 and an OPS of .727. He turns 30 next season. He had that power streak but the guy has hit more than 15 home runs ONCE.

We agree that SS is a problem.

Joe Mauer is a problem at first. There is just no getting around it.

DH--We agree, not set.

C- Not set. We agree.

So, Dustin.....your initial response was "Are you being serious?"
And yet when I look at your analysis I can only see that we disagree on 3 positions. Your initial reaction to my post really doesn't match up with your explanations

Just for the sake of clarity I have to ask you a few things:
1. You expect Buxton to be an above average player "out of the gate" in 2016. OK, fine. Do you expect him to maintain it over the course of the season or do you think he'll have a hot April? Not sure what you mean.
2. YOu also think Rosario is our starting LF. How many games will Paul Molitor start him out there next year? You tell me.
3. Do you expect Plouffe to have an OPS over .800 next season?



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:38:24 AM)

To boil this down further, Dustin....you are saying Plouffe, Rosario and Buxton will be part of the foundation of our lineup in 2016.

Am I right?



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:48:17 AM)

Buxton will need to get healthy, and come back and play well, whether in the bigs or AA/AAA, the next couple of months, in order to be "ready" next year.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:48:40 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ewen21

To boil this down further, Dustin....you are saying Plouffe, Rosario and Buxton will be part of the foundation of our lineup in 2016.

Am I right?


Absolutely. And they'll all contribute a lot.

1) Buxton I expect to be above average for a CF'er next year. ie .700 OPS or better for the year. Coupled with his defense/baserunning, that makes him one of the better CF'ers in the game.
2) Rosario I expect to start at least 130 games in a corner OF spot next year. Suspensions are not a concern. They don't test for marijuana in the majors.
3) Plouffe won't have an OPS above .800. He doesn't need to to be a well above average 3b. And consistency within a season is highly overrated to me. You contribute when you contribute. All players go through ups and downs so what what you contribute for the overall year still matters.

I think you and Mark are still looking at offense as if it's 2000-2010. It's not, and those days aren't coming back any time soon. Numbers are down for every team, not just the Twins.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 9:56:32 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

quote:

ORIGINAL: ewen21

To boil this down further, Dustin....you are saying Plouffe, Rosario and Buxton will be part of the foundation of our lineup in 2016.

Am I right?


Absolutely. And they'll all contribute a lot.

1) Buxton I expect to be above average for a CF'er next year. ie .700 OPS or better for the year. Coupled with his defense/baserunning, that makes him one of the better CF'ers in the game.
2) Rosario I expect to start at least 130 games in a corner OF spot next year. Suspensions are not a concern. They don't test for marijuana in the majors.
3) Plouffe won't have an OPS above .800. He doesn't need to to be a well above average 3b. And consistency within a season is highly overrated to me. You contribute when you contribute. All players go through ups and downs so what what you contribute for the overall year still matters.

I think you and Mark are still looking at offense as if it's 2000-2010. It's not, and those days aren't coming back any time soon. Numbers are down for every team, not just the Twins.


I think you don't take the time to digest/comprehend what you've read before you respond. I mentioned other factors with Buxton and Rosario. They were 1. relative inexperience, 2. Health concerns mounting with Buxton (can he stay on the field), 3. Conduct issues with Rosario, 4. Consistency issues with all of them.

Those concerns override any offensive expectations. And please stop lumping me in with Mark.
I respect Mark. I agree with him very often. Can we have a discussion without inject him into it (or making the assumption that because Mark said something I must therefore agree)??



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:00:00 AM)

I don't see how Rosario and Buxton can be counted on the be big contributors next year. I hope they can be, but to insist they WILL BE to me is absurd.
Are you clairvoyant? I'm not.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:03:26 AM)

I do appreciate you answered my questions for clarification. I really don't appreciate the part where you injected Mark into the discussion. Totally bogus and it only provides misdirection and misunderstandings.



djskillz -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:06:10 AM)

I think it's reasonable to assume, while not "certain", that Rosario will at least be around league average next year. 1) He's a professional hitter. 2) He's around league average this year, and is 23. And again, I see no issues with Rosario off the field. The only issue he had was marijuana. And again, they don't test for that in the majors.

On Buxton, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a .700 OPS from him next season. And that's certainly above average for CF with his other value. 1) he's always hit well in the minors. 2) this is an elite talent here. give him a full season and he's going to figure it out. and he's still got a few months this year to do so. i expect he'll be back around mid-July.



CPAMAN -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:10:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: ewen21

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Are you serious?

CF-set. And Buxton figures to be above average right from the gate next year.
LF-set. Rosario has more than held his own and is only going to get better. And he's 23.
RF-not set yet. But plenty of options. It would be a surprise if one of Kepler/Arcia/Walker/Sano isn't a real option there very soon.
3b-Plouffe is not inconsistent. He's actually very consistent. 2012-.756 OPS, 2013-.701 OPS, 2014-.751 OPS, 2015-.752 OPS. All positive OPS+'s other than 2013, and he was close. To go with good defense. He's a top 10 3b in the game overall at this point.
SS-not set. We have a hole to fill there.
2b-set. We may have the best in the game now in Dozier.
1b-Joe needs to play better, no question. There's also other options if something is really wrong. Sano/Vargas, etc. And actually Joe has barely been below average this year at the position, despite the worst year of his career. OPS+ of 95. 100 is average.
DH-not set yet. But again, plenty of options. It would be a large surprise if Sano isn't at LEAST league average by 2016. And I think he figures to be much better than that offensively almost right away.
C-not set yet. We need help. Pinto would be a big plus though and probably make us "average" there.

I'm not seeing these glaring holes for the future. I see between 1 and 3, among C/SS/1b.


I am serious. What made you think I was kidding? I explained my concerns very clearly. Do you think I am being obtuse?
I see your assessments and I see holes in your thinking. You are essentially presenting the best case scenario--and while that is really nice, it doesn't represent reality. At least not in my opinion. We can talk gumdrops and lollipops all day long, but when do we analyze the other side?

First of all, I don't agree with your statement that Buxton will be above average right out of the gate next year. I think that is unreasonable to expect. You are going to need to give me details on what you envision because I honestly don't believe the Twins have those expectations. They shouldn't if they are reasonably assessing his development. In might take him two or three more seasons to find himself. I don't see his bat as being ready. I would also like to see the guy stay healthy because the issue of staying on the field is starting to become a concern.

I love Eddie Rosario so far. I have liked him since he and Sano were raking the Appalachian League. He is not a proven commodity, however. You say "he is only going to get better"....have you forgotten about Arcia, Vargas and Santana?? The truth is we have no idea what kind of player he will be next year. He's had about 170 plate appearances in the bigs. And given his history of suspensions and other things, he is far from "set"

We can go round and round with Plouffe. Trevor IS inconsistent within seasons. He gets hot and then goes into deep slumps where he looks absolutely horrendous. All players do, but Plouffe's crests and troughs are a lot more severe. It is something that concerns me. The guy has a career OBP of .309 and an OPS of .727. He turns 30 next season. He had that power streak but the guy has hit more than 15 home runs ONCE.

We agree that SS is a problem.

Joe Mauer is a problem at first. There is just no getting around it.

DH--We agree, not set.

C- Not set. We agree.

So, Dustin.....your initial response was "Are you being serious?"
And yet when I look at your analysis I can only see that we disagree on 3 positions. Your initial reaction to my post really doesn't match up with your explanations

Just for the sake of clarity I have to ask you a few things:
1. You expect Buxton to be an above average player "out of the gate" in 2016. OK, fine. Do you expect him to maintain it over the course of the season or do you think he'll have a hot April? Not sure what you mean.
2. YOu also think Rosario is our starting LF. How many games will Paul Molitor start him out there next year? You tell me.
3. Do you expect Plouffe to have an OPS over .800 next season?


Matt and I had a nice discussion about this last night at the Rox ballgame. We both agree that the Twins problems do not stem as much from their veterans play as it has from their up and comers. Dozier has been very good. Plouffe has been above average. Mauer has been below average for a 1B, but even I will upgrade him to average because he is hitting excellent with RISP (and driving in runs). Let me digress here for one moment. Matt and I agreed that the numbers will show that Mauer's lifetime BA with RISP approximates his overall lifetime BA. OK, if this is the case, then how do you explain the fact that Joe's RBI numbers are much better this season? Well, the answer is that he is getting more quality base hits with RISP resulting in plating runs. In season's past, Joe would come up with runners on 1B and 2B and bloop a single to LF. The result was bases loaded and no RBI. Joe's batting with RISP shows a base hit. But no RBI because the runner from second base stopped at third base. This season, that same guy is scoring from second base. I realize this is a theory but it has to have some guts. OK, back to discussion. Santana, Vargas, and Arcia have all been fair to horrible this season. All three played a part in the Twins offense last season. Santana had what ultimately will be his career ML season. Can anyone possibly argue this point? In addition, Suzuki had undeniably a career season. Escobar also had a career season as a 3/4 time player. Hughes had a career season as a starting pitcher. That is four players who had career seasons in the same year. Hughes is average this season and the rest have been nonfactors or even liabilities in the lineup. So in summary, the Twins have to expect more production out of their prospects. These players simply have to mature and break away from being career minor league over-achievers and ML failures.



Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:14:26 AM)

quote:

These players simply have to mature and break away from being career minor league over-achievers and ML failures.


That's pretty much the bottom line.

Some guys have to perform better. If they're inconsistent, then the Twins won't improve.



ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:18:56 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

I think it's reasonable to assume, while not "certain", that Rosario will at least be around league average next year. 1) He's a professional hitter. 2) He's around league average this year, and is 23. And again, I see no issues with Rosario off the field. The only issue he had was marijuana. And again, they don't test for that in the majors.

On Buxton, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a .700 OPS from him next season. And that's certainly above average for CF with his other value. 1) he's always hit well in the minors. 2) this is an elite talent here. give him a full season and he's going to figure it out. and he's still got a few months this year to do so. i expect he'll be back around mid-July.


I also think it's reason to assume there is a good chance he won't be around league average next year. It's risky business to assume that a 22 year old player with 170 plate appearances will be around league average by the following season. Too many variables. Let's being with the questions of consistency and durability. He's played more than 100 games only once. When you say "league average" will that be for 140 games? Just curious to know what you are assuming.

With regard to Buxton, a .700 OPS doesn't really solve anything. If he can do that I am OK with it, but that is not "above average" as you stated earlier. And again, the issue of durability, health and consistency. You aren't taking into account these variables. At least you don't seem to. I have no idea how those three variables will come into play, but they will. They always do with guys just breaking into the league.

You are kind of talking around that reality.



twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:28:43 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: CPAMAN

quote:

ORIGINAL: ewen21

quote:

ORIGINAL: djskillz

Are you serious?

CF-set. And Buxton figures to be above average right from the gate next year.
LF-set. Rosario has more than held his own and is only going to get better. And he's 23.
RF-not set yet. But plenty of options. It would be a surprise if one of Kepler/Arcia/Walker/Sano isn't a real option there very soon.
3b-Plouffe is not inconsistent. He's actually very consistent. 2012-.756 OPS, 2013-.701 OPS, 2014-.751 OPS, 2015-.752 OPS. All positive OPS+'s other than 2013, and he was close. To go with good defense. He's a top 10 3b in the game overall at this point.
SS-not set. We have a hole to fill there.
2b-set. We may have the best in the game now in Dozier.
1b-Joe needs to play better, no question. There's also other options if something is really wrong. Sano/Vargas, etc. And actually Joe has barely been below average this year at the position, despite the worst year of his career. OPS+ of 95. 100 is average.
DH-not set yet. But again, plenty of options. It would be a large surprise if Sano isn't at LEAST league average by 2016. And I think he figures to be much better than that offensively almost right away.
C-not set yet. We need help. Pinto would be a big plus though and probably make us "average" there.

I'm not seeing these glaring holes for the future. I see between 1 and 3, among C/SS/1b.


I am serious. What made you think I was kidding? I explained my concerns very clearly. Do you think I am being obtuse?
I see your assessments and I see holes in your thinking. You are essentially presenting the best case scenario--and while that is really nice, it doesn't represent reality. At least not in my opinion. We can talk gumdrops and lollipops all day long, but when do we analyze the other side?

First of all, I don't agree with your statement that Buxton will be above average right out of the gate next year. I think that is unreasonable to expect. You are going to need to give me details on what you envision because I honestly don't believe the Twins have those expectations. They shouldn't if they are reasonably assessing his development. In might take him two or three more seasons to find himself. I don't see his bat as being ready. I would also like to see the guy stay healthy because the issue of staying on the field is starting to become a concern.

I love Eddie Rosario so far. I have liked him since he and Sano were raking the Appalachian League. He is not a proven commodity, however. You say "he is only going to get better"....have you forgotten about Arcia, Vargas and Santana?? The truth is we have no idea what kind of player he will be next year. He's had about 170 plate appearances in the bigs. And given his history of suspensions and other things, he is far from "set"

We can go round and round with Plouffe. Trevor IS inconsistent within seasons. He gets hot and then goes into deep slumps where he looks absolutely horrendous. All players do, but Plouffe's crests and troughs are a lot more severe. It is something that concerns me. The guy has a career OBP of .309 and an OPS of .727. He turns 30 next season. He had that power streak but the guy has hit more than 15 home runs ONCE.

We agree that SS is a problem.

Joe Mauer is a problem at first. There is just no getting around it.

DH--We agree, not set.

C- Not set. We agree.

So, Dustin.....your initial response was "Are you being serious?"
And yet when I look at your analysis I can only see that we disagree on 3 positions. Your initial reaction to my post really doesn't match up with your explanations

Just for the sake of clarity I have to ask you a few things:
1. You expect Buxton to be an above average player "out of the gate" in 2016. OK, fine. Do you expect him to maintain it over the course of the season or do you think he'll have a hot April? Not sure what you mean.
2. YOu also think Rosario is our starting LF. How many games will Paul Molitor start him out there next year? You tell me.
3. Do you expect Plouffe to have an OPS over .800 next season?


Matt and I had a nice discussion about this last night at the Rox ballgame. We both agree that the Twins problems do not stem as much from their veterans play as it has from their up and comers. Dozier has been very good. Plouffe has been above average. Mauer has been below average for a 1B, but even I will upgrade him to average because he is hitting excellent with RISP (and driving in runs). Let me digress here for one moment. Matt and I agreed that the numbers will show that Mauer's lifetime BA with RISP approximates his overall lifetime BA. OK, if this is the case, then how do you explain the fact that Joe's RBI numbers are much better this season? Well, the answer is that he is getting more quality base hits with RISP resulting in plating runs. In season's past, Joe would come up with runners on 1B and 2B and bloop a single to LF. The result was bases loaded and no RBI. Joe's batting with RISP shows a base hit. But no RBI because the runner from second base stopped at third base. This season, that same guy is scoring from second base. I realize this is a theory but it has to have some guts. OK, back to discussion. Santana, Vargas, and Arcia have all been fair to horrible this season. All three played a part in the Twins offense last season. Santana had what ultimately will be his career ML season. Can anyone possibly argue this point? In addition, Suzuki had undeniably a career season. Escobar also had a career season as a 3/4 time player. Hughes had a career season as a starting pitcher. That is four players who had career seasons in the same year. Hughes is average this season and the rest have been nonfactors or even liabilities in the lineup. So in summary, the Twins have to expect more production out of their prospects. These players simply have to mature and break away from being career minor league over-achievers and ML failures.

Opposite field flares to LF tend to not score runners from 2nd because with less than 2 out, the runner has to hold up for a moment. That's always been a big part of Joe's game, so his RBI totals have suffered in the past. That's the one situation where maybe RBI numbers do matter? I'm debating this in my own mind.



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ewen21 -> RE: Players and prospects III (7/2/2015 10:39:16 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Opposite field flares to LF tend to not score runners from 2nd because with less than 2 out, the runner has to hold up for a moment. That's always been a big part of Joe's game, so his RBI totals have suffered in the past. That's the one situation where maybe RBI numbers do matter? I'm debating this in my own mind.


This is a point I have tried to make several times. I feel you (and Mark) have hit the nail on the head. Those little humpback "liners" into left are station to station hits. A guy on first isn't getting to third and a guy on second isn't getting home in a lot of cases.



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