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Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 12:52:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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Should be noted that Josmil Pinto caught Trevor May in his dominant, 120-pitch, 11K, 3-hit, 8.1 IP win last night

Did anyone hear Perkins on with Mackey and Judd yesterday? I wonder if he's just being a mouthpiece for the Twins or if he really feels this way, but he was not high on Pinto as a catcher at all. Mackey asked him how close Pinto is to being a ML-caliber catcher. Perkins said "He's not close at all." He went on to say that he's not good at framing pitches at all. Needs a ton of work. Reading between the lines, it sounded like he doesn't think Pinto will ever be a starting caliber catcher in the majors.

JERK


Are you referring to Perkins?

I believe the correct term is PUNK ASS BITCH or PAB

Beat you to it, Trekkie.

(I'm not sure how I feel about my recent trend of thinking along the same lines as you)


That means you're getting older and wiser.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 1:01:55 PM)

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 1:19:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?



Wheeler, if he bombs you send him back down and bring up Berrios.

They should both be at AA by season's end anyway.




SoMnFan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 2:29:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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Vargas & Rosario with some Twins throwback uni tops.

[image]http://i60.tinypic.com/xqm8tl.jpg[/image]



Get them to AAA soon. Please.

Pretty please




Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 3:44:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?


Wheeler, if he bombs you send him back down and bring up Berrios.

They should both be at AA by season's end anyway.


Dude. Really?




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 10:26:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?


Wheeler, if he bombs you send him back down and bring up Berrios.

They should both be at AA by season's end anyway.


Dude. Really?


Fan 1 says

7IP tonight 1 H/2BB/9K

Why would you promote someone else?




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 10:27:07 PM)

BTW Fan 1 is me,and anyone else who believes Berrios should go.

Fan 2 is Seth Speaks and some of the Twins Daily cronies.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 10:29:19 PM)

Vargas with his 13th HR tonight. Grand slam

55 RBI

Only 42 strikeouts in 230+ at bats.

Hitting .321

NB 2 over .500,smokin' hot.




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/17/2014 10:42:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?


Wheeler, if he bombs you send him back down and bring up Berrios.

They should both be at AA by season's end anyway.


Dude. Really?

I gave Trekkie a one-star rating on that post.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 5:27:17 AM)

Tuesday:

Roch game suspended in 4th inning, Wings down 2-1

NB 7-2 winner o the road. Vargas 2-5/GrandSlam(HR13), Hanson 4-4/2doubles/BB/2R RBI, Rosario 2-4/BB/2R, Koch 1-4/double/2RBI/E(2)

Duffey 2-2 5Ip 5H/2R/2BB/4K
Turpen 2IP 2K
Fuller IP 2H
O'Rourke IP 2k


Berrios dominant in FTM 4-2 win

now 7-2 7IP H/2BB/9K

Polanco 1-3/BB/Solo HR(5)/SB(7), Ray 1-4/double/R/RBI, Goodrum 1-3/R/SB(12), Wickens 1-3/R


CRapids off, at the MWL all-star game, Their team won 7-0. Haar was 1-2, Stewart did not pitch.




Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 9:59:14 AM)

When is the High A all star game? Time for both Berrios and Stewart to move up a level.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:10:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

When is the High A all star game? Time for both Berrios and Stewart to move up a level.



Florida State League had its game last week.




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:19:06 AM)

Twins Prez Interested in Move from Cedar Rapids to St. Paul?


In September of 2012, the Minnesota Twins announced a four-year affiliation agreement with the Cedar Rapids Kernels, with the Twins’ then-Senior Director of Minor Leagues Jim Rantz telling the media, “We are confident that this relationship will grow into one of the strongest affiliations in minor league baseball.”

Less than two years later, the Twins organization appears to be flirting with another minor league ownership group with an eye toward moving their Class A Midwest League affiliation to nearby St. Paul, Minnesota, and potentially leaving the Kernels to shop for another new Major League affiliate when their current Player Development Contract expires following the 2016 season.

According to a story Tuesday in the Business Journal, Minnesota Twins President Dave St. Peter and Derek Sharrer, the General Manager the St. Paul Saints, an independent minor league team, expressed mutual interest in a future affiliation agreement between the two teams.

Their comments were made at the Business Journal’s Business of Sports Power Breakfast Tuesday morning.

“Long-term, there are aspects that make a lot of sense,” St. Peter is quoted as telling the group. “Short-term, it’s more challenging. We have a tremendous partnership with Cedar Rapids and the Kernels. It’s been a home run for the Twins. It’s been strategic for the Twins relative to marketing in the state of Iowa.

“I think it’s something that will require some additional discussions and I’m guessing that dialogue will take place.”

The Twins President did point out that the potential arrangement comes with challenges.

“It’s a bus league, and when you’re in St. Paul and there are teams east of Cleveland, that’s a tough bus trip for your players,” St. Peter said. “Things like that need to be addressed long-term.”

The Saints are in the process of building a new 7.000 seat stadium in St. Paul that’s being built to meet or exceed standards required by baseball for Class AA and lower affiliated teams. The stadium is scheduled to open in 2015.

The Saints are owned by a group that recently agreed to sell the Twins’ Class high-A affiliate in Fort Myers, Florida.

“Our organization has a tremendous amount of respect for Derek and his team,” St. Peter said of the Twins’ relationship with the Saints organization. “We’ve worked very closely with the Saints’ ownership … for 20 years.”

As the Twins President alluded to, there are a number of obstacles that the Twins and Saints would need to overcome before placing an affiliate in St. Paul.

The most likely arrangement would be for the Twins to place their Class A Midwest League affiliate in St. Paul. There are no high-A or AA leagues located in the Midwest and the new Saints stadium is not being built up to AAA standards.

However, putting a Midwest League team in St. Paul would not be a simple matter, either.

For the Twins and Saints to make the plan work, they would need to either seek to have the Midwest League expand by two teams (to keep the number of league teams at an even number for scheduling purposes) or acquire an existing MWL team and move it to St. Paul.

Every Major League team already has a full season Class A affiliate, which would seem to make expansion unlikely.

Acquiring a team and moving it would only be somewhat easier.

Under the current Professional Baseball Agreement between the Major and Minor League governing bodies, every current affiliated minor league team is guaranteed an affiliation. Baseball can’t just tell an existing affiliated team that they’re being kicked out of affiliated minor league baseball.

The Saints ownership would likely need to acquire an existing Midwest League team and relocate it to St. Paul, rather than looking to acquire a team currently competing in another Class A league.

While it would not be totally unheard of for a team to move from one minor league to another, the same scheduling issues that affect expansion would also require any movement between leagues to result in each affected league retaining an even number of teams.

With the eastward migration of Midwest League teams over the past two decades, virtually every club in the Eastern Division of the league is playing in relatively new ballparks and before generally larger crowds than is the case among their Western Division brethren. This would make it much more likely that a current Western Division club would be targeted.

With relatively new or recently renovated ballparks in Appleton WI, Kane County IL, Peoria IL and Iowa clubs in the Quad Cities and Cedar Rapids, it would be unlikely that the teams in those communities would go on the sale block.

That leaves Beloit WI, Clinton IA and Burlington IA, three teams with, perhaps, the most difficult stadium situations left among potential MWL targets.

However, all three of those teams are, like the Kernels, long-time MWL members. More importantly, also like the Kernels, all three clubs are community owned. Prying ownership away from those communities would likely be no easy task.

Finally, even if an existing ownership group were made an offer they can’t refuse, the team would need approval of the other members of the MWL to relocate. That hurdle might not be so easy to overcome, either.

St. Paul is well outside the current MWL footprint. Cedar Rapids is the closest current league city and it’s a good 250 miles from the Twin Cities. Every other MWL community, except Appleton (270 miles) is at least 300 miles from St. Paul.

South Bend IN, at 495 miles, would be the only MWL Eastern Division location less than 500 miles away.

That’s an important consideration for the league, too, because under the terms of the Professional Baseball Agreement rules, players must be given an off day any time they are bused 500 miles or more. Having a team that far outside the league’s current footprint could present a nightmare for MWL schedule-makers.

It also would increase travel costs, not only for the team that relocates, but for every other team in the league that would have to send teams to St. Paul on road trips. Those travel costs are primarily the responsibility of the local team, not their Big League affiliate.

St. Peter is certainly correct in cautioning Twin Cities fans that putting an affiliate in St. Paul would be difficult to arrange, but if the Twins were to decide to make such a move a priority, it’s not beyond the realm of possibility that they could throw enough weight around to get what they want. It remains to be seen whether the Twins and Saints are truly interested enough in a marriage to overcome the obstacles.

The agreement between the Kernels and Twins will have young Twins prospects calling Cedar Rapids their summer home for two more years after the current season.

Nevertheless, it’s no doubt disappointing to Twins fans in Eastern Iowa to learn that at least one Twins executive may no longer be interested in seeing the relationship between the Twins and Kernels, “grow into one of the strongest affiliations in minor league baseball.”

Kernels General Manager Doug Nelson, reached Tuesday afternoon while in Comstock Park MI for the Midwest League All-Star game, was asked for his reaction to St. Peter’s statements to the Business Journal.

“The Kernels view our affiliation with the Twins as a long term partnership,” stated Nelson via email.

It is less clear whether the Twins continue to share that view.




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:31:38 AM)

Currently

Roch 40-30, 1/2 game out of first

NB 34-32, 6 straight wins, 9 out of first

FTM 40-28 1/2 game lead in the 1st half

CRapids 31-39, 9 1/2 out,6th(out of 8) in division




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:40:40 AM)

Not sure how I'd feel about the Saints bailing on their independent league thing. Seems like the new ballpark might be a little too fancy for Low-A level play. But I'm pretty surprised the Twins would compete with themselves in this market. Bet they'd jack the prices up on tickets and concessions to ridiculous levels for minor league ball.




Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:51:58 AM)

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When is the High A all star game? Time for both Berrios and Stewart to move up a level.



Florida State League had its game last week.


MOVE 'EM UP...NOW!!!!




Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:53:08 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Not sure how I'd feel about the Saints bailing on their independent league thing. Seems like the new ballpark might be a little too fancy for Low-A level play. But I'm pretty surprised the Twins would compete with themselves in this market. Bet they'd jack the prices up on tickets and concessions to ridiculous levels for minor league ball.


Haven't been to a Saints game in at least ten years. I'd go tomorrow if they were affiliated with the Twins.

That said, yes, odd you'd compete against yourselves in the same market; then again, maybe you wouldn't hurt the Twins more than the Saints are currently.




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:56:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Not sure how I'd feel about the Saints bailing on their independent league thing. Seems like the new ballpark might be a little too fancy for Low-A level play. But I'm pretty surprised the Twins would compete with themselves in this market. Bet they'd jack the prices up on tickets and concessions to ridiculous levels for minor league ball.


Haven't been to a Saints game in at least ten years. I'd go tomorrow if they were affiliated with the Twins.

That said, yes, odd you'd compete against yourselves in the same market; then again, maybe you wouldn't hurt the Twins more than the Saints are currently.

That's the problem. You say you'd go to a game in a heartbeat. Uh oh. That means you'd go to fewer Twins games, most likely.




Dave E -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 11:00:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Not sure how I'd feel about the Saints bailing on their independent league thing. Seems like the new ballpark might be a little too fancy for Low-A level play. But I'm pretty surprised the Twins would compete with themselves in this market. Bet they'd jack the prices up on tickets and concessions to ridiculous levels for minor league ball.


Haven't been to a Saints game in at least ten years. I'd go tomorrow if they were affiliated with the Twins.

That said, yes, odd you'd compete against yourselves in the same market; then again, maybe you wouldn't hurt the Twins more than the Saints are currently.

That's the problem. You say you'd go to a game in a heartbeat. Uh oh. That means you'd go to fewer Twins games, most likely.


I think the question would be if whether the losses to the big club would be made up for plus some by pulling in people going to Saints games currently.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 11:01:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?


Wheeler, if he bombs you send him back down and bring up Berrios.

They should both be at AA by season's end anyway.


Dude. Really?

I gave Trekkie a one-star rating on that post.


That might mean something if Trekkie gave a shit about star ratings.

I don't even notice them unless someone brings them up and I universally don't give a shit.




twinsfan -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 11:03:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Dave E

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

Love the reasoning of some as to moving guys.

With Gilmartin hopefully staying in AAA, leaves a spot open at AA.

Who should go?

Fan 1: Berrios. He's been the superior pitcher.

Fan 2: Wheeler. He's been in Hi-A longer,is older, and has earned a shot at AA.

Which fan do you agree with?


Wheeler, if he bombs you send him back down and bring up Berrios.

They should both be at AA by season's end anyway.


Dude. Really?

I gave Trekkie a one-star rating on that post.


That might mean something if Trekkie gave a shit about star ratings.

I don't even notice them unless someone brings them up and I universally don't give a shit.

I figured you didn't pay attention to star ratings. That's why I brought it up.




MDK -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 11:53:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: Stacey King

Vargas & Rosario with some Twins throwback uni tops.

[image]http://i60.tinypic.com/xqm8tl.jpg[/image]



Get them to AAA soon. Please.

Pretty please


Lennie and George

Mutt and Jeff

Spike and Chester
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov-1S8Xxd94




Stacey King -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 12:43:04 PM)

Trevor May's stuff has never been a question. Drafted in the fourth round of the 2008 Draft by Philadelphia, May has tantalized with his potential ever since arriving in pro ball. Over 142 1/3 innings at the Class A level, he struck out 11.8 batters per nine innings. He bumped that number to 12.1 in 221 1/3 innings at Class A Advanced and still struck out more than a batter per inning in 301 1/3 innings in Double-A.

So why did the Minnesota right-hander need almost 700 innings of pro experience to reach Triple-A? The issue was control. May walked more than four batters per nine innings at every level, struggling at times to hit spots with his entire arsenal.

Talking Monday night after one of his best starts as a pro, May admitted that he had "underachieved" at Double-A. The culprit wasn't lackluster mechanics, though, or an innate inability to put pitches where he wanted. The issue was with May's mindset, which was a mix of misplaced concerns and a lack of consistent focus.

For starters, May had it in his head that the worst thing he could do as a pitcher was allow a hit.

"It was almost like, 'I don't want to give up a hit here,' so that made it OK to throw balls," May said. "The only way to guarantee not to give up a hit is to throw a ball. It was just something that happened with me."

May was coached in the right direction in that regard by the Twins, and though adjusting that mindset has helped, the biggest difference in 2014 was a tweak May made on his own to improve his concentration. May compared his approach to pitching in previous seasons to when he would try to do homework in high school. At some point, the mind starts to wander, and then, "You end up on Facebook or Reddit," he said.

In that sense, May has matured. He claims his ability to focus better in game situations -- along with a bit of physical maturity -- is the reason why he's dropped his walk rate to 3.4 batters per nine innings this season. The improved fastball command has also helped him drop his home run rate from 1.1 long balls per nine innings in Double-A to 0.4 in the International League.

If the concentration remains, May could prove a nice boost to Minnesota's rotation in short order. He has a deep arsenal (fastball, sinker, curve, slider and changeup) and has at times felt like he can control all of them -- he said he had all five offerings at his disposal in Monday's gem.

"I feel great, I'm in good shape and I feel like everything I do in between starts is really getting me ready to pitch every five days," May said. "The biggest thing is where my head is through the progression of a game. I'm staying right on what I'm trying to do."




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 3:23:57 PM)

NB won 5-4 today with a couple in the top of the 9th.

Kvasnicka 2-3/2BB/2RBI, Thomas 3-4/double/BB/2R, Vargas 3-5/double/R


Vasquez 6.2IP 8H/4R/2BB/2HR
Summers 2-3 1.1IP 0-2 IRS BB/2K
Oliveros IP 2K/Save(10)




Mr. Ed -> RE: Players and prospects III (6/18/2014 10:02:00 PM)

Completing suspended game, Roch bullpen imploded in 9-4 loss

Rohlfing 2-3/double/BB/R, Farris 2-5/double/2RBI, Bernier 1-3/BB/R/RBI/E(5),Romero 1-4/double/BB/2e's(17)


Gilmartin 3.1IP 6H/2UER/2K/HR
Diamond 2.1IP 0-1 IRS 3H/UER
Guerra BS/0-2 .1IP 3H/4R/2ER/HR
Achter IP H/2R/4BB/2K 2-2 IRS
Ibarra 2IP 3H/2BB/3K



FTM 5-0 winner

Baxendale 1-1 6IP 4H/5K
Tomshaw 3IP 4H/K/Save(2)

Turner 2-3/double/Solo HR(4), Wickens/Ray 2-4/double/R/RBI, Harrison 2-3




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