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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 9:29:27 AM

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 9:31:22 AM

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Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 9:42:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

The Rudy screen is not an automatic 5-7. I have seen plenty of 0 - 2 Rudy screens over the years.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 9:45:17 AM

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I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 9:49:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

Don't forget the go route to Rudolph off the play action

I dont specifically remember the go route. I was talking more about setting up screens to begin with. Varying off that is another thing.

I’m not as low on Rudolph as some ... he serves a purpose and is effective in a few situations. If he’s on the field, you use him anyway you can ... even if its running molasses go routes to pull a LB. He may not have gotten 3 yards into his route before the play is over, but he is still a big safe target or pressure outlet, if need be, for those 3 yards.

I have issue with his utilization (minor) and salary (major). I like him as a human being, great community presence, great teammate.

The cost of resigning Mac and Harris continues to go up. Vikings have almost always resigned players before entering their contract year. Kyle's salary, if traded, would have allowed us to lock up two very talented young players.

We didn't know Morgan's health and Irv's development (TE is tough on rook's). But managing the cap requires hard decisions, esp since we are so top heavy. This was a hard decision I think we regret in the very near future. And it isn't hindsight. These arguments were made by myself and others during the contract talks.

It's also embarrassing to not be able to pick up a yard, go down without a fight, and be tackled by one player that you outweigh by 30-40 yards.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 9:53:14 AM

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I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

I wasn't worried about Haskins either so I didn't mind the decision to go for it.

QB sneaks are one of the safest ways to pick up a yard, I think over 80% conversion rate. I didn't mind the playcall.

I have issue with the execution. Elf blocked no one, Bradbury got beat, and Cousins didn't seem to make a great read and get drive.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:02:21 AM

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Do the statistics match this theory, these ideas [?] :

The best case scenario after a bye week, or after playing a Thursday night game, is to play a good team at home. Playing a bad team at home is a good thing, but you don't gain much having extra time to prepare for them.

In the same sense, you're most likely to lose to a good team on the road, so having extra time to prepare for them, doesn't help all that much. In fact, the best time to play a good team on the road, would be on a Thursday night game, or maybe the first game of the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:12:11 AM

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:14:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I think had Case not been concussed there may have been a different outcome last night. Case was targeting Rhodes and moving them down field and AD was running with purpose.

That lame ass qb sneak on 4th n one in our own territory could have been more costly had Case been in there.

Too me this screamed of Zim losing patience. Thinking we should be dominating them or something. It was an unecessary risk.

It was a dumb decision to go for it. and a dumb play call once they decided to go for it.

It was a dumb decisoin because we were winning against a moribund team forced to use a raw rookie QB, pin them deep and let the defense do it's job.

Once they made that dumb decision, they made a really dumb decision to do a QB sneak. Dalvin Cook had a far better chance of making that yard than Cousins did in any circumstance.

i don't know what Zim was thinking there.

The vikes loooked flat, uninterested and the secondary was allowing big catch after big catch. This game was very much in jeopardy until Case left with the concussion.

I had no problem with them going for it. Zim new the raw rookie wasn't going to shit even they didn't make it. I had a big problem with them calling the one play that was almost guaranteed to fail.

I wasn't worried about Haskins either so I didn't mind the decision to go for it.

QB sneaks are one of the safest ways to pick up a yard, I think over 80% conversion rate. I didn't mind the playcall.

I have issue with the execution. Elf blocked no one, Bradbury got beat, and Cousins didn't seem to make a great read and get drive.

The reason I felt the play was guaranteed to fail is that the middle of Washington's line overpowering us a lot. Elf was already well into a terrible night. I'd much rather have had Cook or Mattison following our human battering ram Ham.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:16:36 AM

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

With you on all points.
We are loaded at RB and take a back seat no one at that position.
We also saw that AD has a bit left and looks back fondly on his career with the Vikes.

Now what the heck are we going to do with Elf?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:17:08 AM

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

An idea without action is just a dream.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:19:53 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

Don't forget the go route to Rudolph off the play action

I dont specifically remember the go route. I was talking more about setting up screens to begin with. Varying off that is another thing.

I’m not as low on Rudolph as some ... he serves a purpose and is effective in a few situations. If he’s on the field, you use him anyway you can ... even if its running molasses go routes to pull a LB. He may not have gotten 3 yards into his route before the play is over, but he is still a big safe target or pressure outlet, if need be, for those 3 yards.

I have issue with his utilization (minor) and salary (major). I like him as a human being, great community presence, great teammate.

The cost of resigning Mac and Harris continues to go up. Vikings have almost always resigned players before entering their contract year. Kyle's salary, if traded, would have allowed us to lock up two very talented young players.

We didn't know Morgan's health and Irv's development (TE is tough on rook's). But managing the cap requires hard decisions, esp since we are so top heavy. This was a hard decision I think we regret in the very near future. And it isn't hindsight. These arguments were made by myself and others during the contract talks.

It's also embarrassing to not be able to pick up a yard, go down without a fight, and be tackled by one player that you outweigh by 30-40 yards.

I take issue with his utilization and (esp) contract as well.

As I’ve said several times, I am not championing Rudolph but I do find myself playing his devil’s advocate - often - because of the way he gets dogged in here. He is super slow and astonishingly NOT powerful for his size but he contributes more IMO than some posters give him credit for. Whether that is a lot or little - whatever it is, its less and less as Smith gets seasoned more and more.

I really objected to his (and Barr’s) contract but that is a team mgmt issue ... that does not factor into how good or bad I think the player is or how much he should or should not get used. (although that is obviously a factor for the team)

I wish we had a better, more complete option but we don’t ... quite yet. Smith is ahead of schedule IMO but he’s not there yet. As I have always said, Rudolph should and would make a good big body complimentary player to a solid starting TE.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:23:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

Don't forget the go route to Rudolph off the play action

I dont specifically remember the go route. I was talking more about setting up screens to begin with. Varying off that is another thing.

I’m not as low on Rudolph as some ... he serves a purpose and is effective in a few situations. If he’s on the field, you use him anyway you can ... even if its running molasses go routes to pull a LB. He may not have gotten 3 yards into his route before the play is over, but he is still a big safe target or pressure outlet, if need be, for those 3 yards.

I have issue with his utilization (minor) and salary (major). I like him as a human being, great community presence, great teammate.

The cost of resigning Mac and Harris continues to go up. Vikings have almost always resigned players before entering their contract year. Kyle's salary, if traded, would have allowed us to lock up two very talented young players.

We didn't know Morgan's health and Irv's development (TE is tough on rook's). But managing the cap requires hard decisions, esp since we are so top heavy. This was a hard decision I think we regret in the very near future. And it isn't hindsight. These arguments were made by myself and others during the contract talks.

It's also embarrassing to not be able to pick up a yard, go down without a fight, and be tackled by one player that you outweigh by 30-40 yards.

It was worth the risk to let Rudy go. His contributions were easily replaceable as in incredibly small. I still don’t get it to be honest. He and Rhodes must be really good practicers.

< Message edited by David F. -- 10/25/2019 10:25:25 AM >

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:27:57 AM

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

With you on all points.
We are loaded at RB and take a back seat no one at that position.
We also saw that AD has a bit left and looks back fondly on his career with the Vikes.

Now what the heck are we going to do with Elf?

I say move Kline to the left side and give Samia some run at RG. There are probably some scheme and technique aspects that Samia will have to work out on the job, but the man will simply not allow himself to physically overpowered as Elf so frequently does. Samia would infuse a little attitude and nastiness into this bunch.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:30:39 AM

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fairly boring game for the casual observer last night.

i was fine with it. dont do anything stupid and we win

nice first half at 6-2, for the six wins, there are not any games I can think of that we 'should have lost', and the 2 games we lost were within the realm of 'could have won'

hard to complain about that........so, here are my complaints, many have already been covered

Rhodes. wow, he is bad. Not sure I remember such a dramatic fall from top 2 or 3 in the league to terrible in such a short time. Still shows we hold on to guys a year to long, instead of getting out a year early

Rudy, he is fine, but way overpaid, maybe we knew about Morgan's knee along with Irv being a rookie, probably had to keep him this year, but he has to go (or get REAL cheap) this offseason

Elf...tough game, that DL is solid but it was a pretty bad game

Cmon Diggs, talk about love/hate relationship

Compliments

Kirk...pretty sweet October

Cook...so smooth, how did I think he was a solid/above average back? He is spectacular, I should have known as soon as Brad H said he was below average

Diggs...so good

Reiff has played much better after a slow first month

Oneil is pretty dang studly

other ramblings

i was OK with going for it on 4th, maybe not the greatest time to do it, but whatever

i love Colquitt

tip of the hat to AD, he had a chance to be my favorite Viking of all time, but things fell apart. thanks for getting me through the Chili/Frazier/Ponder years, i could not imagine what the era would have been without AD

Recency bias, but Cook has a chance at being my all time favorite viking, i love watching him play

Hill back this week, but it will likely be after the bye before he can get into much of role is my guess, we could use him to spell rhodes a bit

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:33:39 AM

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

With you on all points.
We are loaded at RB and take a back seat no one at that position.
We also saw that AD has a bit left and looks back fondly on his career with the Vikes.

Now what the heck are we going to do with Elf?

I say move Kline to the left side and give Samia some run at RG. There are probably some scheme and technique aspects that Samia will have to work out on the job, but the man will simply not allow himself to physically overpowered as Elf so frequently does. Samia would infuse a little attitude and nastiness into this bunch.

more likely is that Dozier takes over for Elf

no need to move too many things, IMO

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:35:50 AM

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

With you on all points.
We are loaded at RB and take a back seat no one at that position.
We also saw that AD has a bit left and looks back fondly on his career with the Vikes.

Now what the heck are we going to do with Elf?

I say move Kline to the left side and give Samia some run at RG. There are probably some scheme and technique aspects that Samia will have to work out on the job, but the man will simply not allow himself to physically overpowered as Elf so frequently does. Samia would infuse a little attitude and nastiness into this bunch.

more likely is that Dozier takes over for Elf

no need to move too many things, IMO

Except that Dozier has shown that he may be even worse than Elfline. I don't see moving a veteran like Klline to the left side as being all that disruptive. Bring in the big strong kid the nasty disposition.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:37:12 AM

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Having a normal NFL kicking game has lowered my blood pressure about 40 points.
Lets not get crazy, lets just enjoy it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 10:48:44 AM

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Just for the sake of keeping the defense guessing - you’d think they would throw a few screens to Smith or Conklin (or even Ham) ... the shock and awe of your secret Rudolph screen, or ‘giant lumbering oafish screen’ (as its called in the huddle), is out of the bag. In fact, its now routine, which means finely tuned defenses will start erasing the 1-2 yards it has been getting us.

I suspect its part Rudolph sells it better and part keep him involved and part Smith is getting a lot of practice on other things.

It may not seem like rocket science but there is a lot of nuance to running effective screens ... its just a matter of time before we start seeing Smith involved.

The Rudy screen gains 5-7 yards every time they run it. That’s why we keep seeing it. The coaches are content with it and I guess that’s all well and good. Weird that they don’t ever get curious about how much better it could be.

Well I was exaggerating the yards for emphasis. 5-7 yards a play is no reason for teeth gnashing.

I think its weird that you think they’re not ‘curious’ about trying something different. As if they are not living breathing 24-7 for ways to improve, get better, and outsmart their opponents.

An idea without action is just a dream.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 11:01:55 AM

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Did anyone else watch last night's game in 4k? Man it looked awesome!

I could get used to that!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 11:05:44 AM

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Did anyone else watch last night's game in 4k? Man it looked awesome!

I could get used to that!

Yes. 4K is wonderful.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 11:07:10 AM

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AD said he caught himself whistling the Vikings "SKOL" chant to himself at times during the game.

Despised seeing AD when he came back with the Saints
But I thought last night was very cool
I'm not an AD lover but was very glad the fans showed him respect.
And have to admit he looked damn good yet. There's still some life in those legs.
That said. Sooooooooooooooooooooooo glad to have Cook and Mattison. Love where our running game is today.

With you on all points.
We are loaded at RB and take a back seat no one at that position.
We also saw that AD has a bit left and looks back fondly on his career with the Vikes.

Now what the heck are we going to do with Elf?

I say move Kline to the left side and give Samia some run at RG. There are probably some scheme and technique aspects that Samia will have to work out on the job, but the man will simply not allow himself to physically overpowered as Elf so frequently does. Samia would infuse a little attitude and nastiness into this bunch.

more likely is that Dozier takes over for Elf

no need to move too many things, IMO

Except that Dozier has shown that he may be even worse than Elfline. I don't see moving a veteran like Klline to the left side as being all that disruptive. Bring in the big strong kid the nasty disposition.

agree, dozier has not been great, but it seems the staff are more comfortable with him at this stage.

rookie OL these days seem to be having a hard time transitioning to the NFL game, even the higher drafted ones, YMMV

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 11:19:15 AM

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I was wondering why one of the Redskin punts was not caught. That was not good.

The 64 yarder?

Yeah. It wasn't 64 yards in the air, though. Would Sherels have caught that?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 11:25:10 AM

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I was thinking about this last night.

The #Vikings only had 43 snaps last night on defense, the lowest number in Mike Zimmer's six seasons as coach. The Vikings controlled the ball on offense and the Redskins were mostly inept on offense after QB Dwayne Haskins replaced injured Case Keenum (concussion) for 2nd half.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 10/25/2019 11:25:51 AM

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Is it possible Washington really isn’t as bad as their record shows with Jay Gruden out? I mean they played San Fran tough too. https://t.co/40mni7SLLk

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