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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 8:49:47 PM   
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Just man handling guys one on one. I liked when he threw Thuney around like a rag doll.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 9:04:12 PM   
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I asked Warren Ludford about this stack defense. Here is his reply:

I think Zimmer is contemplating a hybrid defense. He's got the personnel to do it now.

Has anybody ever ran both a 4-3 and 3-4? If yes, did it work?
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 9:17:19 PM   
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We are still going to run a 4-3, with a lot of nickel mixed in. Pierce is a space eater who can't be blocked 1 on 1 in the run game. He's snacks on steroids. We'll still look for a guy in the middle who can press the qb, but Pierce is a good get for us.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 9:24:17 PM   
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We are still going to run a 4-3, with a lot of nickel mixed in. Pierce is a space eater who can't be blocked 1 on 1 in the run game. He's snacks on steroids. We'll still look for a guy in the middle who can press the qb, but Pierce is a good get for us.

It would be nice to see a 3 man front of Odenigbo-Pierce-Watts with Hunter and Barr coming from the outside. Once in a while.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 9:34:35 PM   
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We are still going to run a 4-3, with a lot of nickel mixed in. Pierce is a space eater who can't be blocked 1 on 1 in the run game. He's snacks on steroids. We'll still look for a guy in the middle who can press the qb, but Pierce is a good get for us.

It would be nice to see a 3 man front of Odenigbo-Pierce-Watts with Hunter and Barr coming from the outside. Once in a while.

Is Watts likely to get regular snaps this year?

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 9:53:50 PM   
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PFF rates Pierce as very good in 2019, elite in 2018, almost elite in 2017, and very good in 2016.


2019 was a down year, but he played most of it on a bum ankle.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 9:57:18 PM   
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We are still going to run a 4-3, with a lot of nickel mixed in. Pierce is a space eater who can't be blocked 1 on 1 in the run game. He's snacks on steroids. We'll still look for a guy in the middle who can press the qb, but Pierce is a good get for us.

It would be nice to see a 3 man front of Odenigbo-Pierce-Watts with Hunter and Barr coming from the outside. Once in a while.


Armon Watts has good size for a 3-4 DE, but Odenbigo is only 258. He seems more suited for OLB.

If Griff ends up coming back, he'd be great at DE.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 10:56:41 PM   
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We are still going to run a 4-3, with a lot of nickel mixed in. Pierce is a space eater who can't be blocked 1 on 1 in the run game. He's snacks on steroids. We'll still look for a guy in the middle who can press the qb, but Pierce is a good get for us.

It would be nice to see a 3 man front of Odenigbo-Pierce-Watts with Hunter and Barr coming from the outside. Once in a while.


Armon Watts has good size for a 3-4 DE, but Odenbigo is only 258. He seems more suited for OLB.

If Griff ends up coming back, he'd be great at DE.

If we could get WR Perriman and RG Haeg with our limited cap space, we could probably fill all other needs with all our draft picks.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/18/2020 10:59:09 PM   
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I LOVE this signing.

FA can be a 50/50 proposition but some positions are safer than others.
This guy looks like the real deal.
High praise in the video.
Also coming from a team that is pretty good at identifying dline.
Although... I'm surprised they didn't work to keep him.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 1:10:12 AM   
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https://youtu.be/EWM3X6K67eo

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I LOVE this signing.

FA can be a 50/50 proposition but some positions are safer than others.
This guy looks like the real deal.
High praise in the video.
Also coming from a team that is pretty good at identifying dline.
Although... I'm surprised they didn't work to keep him.



Me too.

The last few times the Vikes have had a successful run we’ve gone out in free agency and picked up a sturdy run stuffing anchor to their DLine..

Jerry Ball
Pat Williams
Linval Joseph

Now hopefully Pierce lives up to that list.

Could re-ignite our DLine. We got bludgeoned vs the Niners. They didn’t even need to pass. The pack pushed us around as well.. perhaps we’re more sturdy if one of our under tackles emerges.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 1:25:40 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: beo

quote:

ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

https://youtu.be/EWM3X6K67eo

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I LOVE this signing.

FA can be a 50/50 proposition but some positions are safer than others.
This guy looks like the real deal.
High praise in the video.
Also coming from a team that is pretty good at identifying dline.
Although... I'm surprised they didn't work to keep him.



Me too.

The last few times the Vikes have had a successful run we’ve gone out in free agency and picked up a sturdy run stuffing anchor to their DLine..

Jerry Ball
Pat Williams
Linval Joseph

Now hopefully Pierce lives up to that list.

Could re-ignite our DLine. We got bludgeoned vs the Niners. They didn’t even need to pass. The pack pushed us around as well.. perhaps we’re more sturdy if one of our under tackles emerges.

Great point Kurt. Our best seasons have been correlated to being stout in the middle. Joseph was great, but not anymore. Maybe Pierce can be great.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 6:33:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

https://youtu.be/EWM3X6K67eo

Pro highlights


I LOVE this signing.

FA can be a 50/50 proposition but some positions are safer than others.
This guy looks like the real deal.
High praise in the video.
Also coming from a team that is pretty good at identifying dline.
Although... I'm surprised they didn't work to keep him.



Me too.

The last few times the Vikes have had a successful run we’ve gone out in free agency and picked up a sturdy run stuffing anchor to their DLine..

Jerry Ball
Pat Williams
Linval Joseph

Now hopefully Pierce lives up to that list.

Could re-ignite our DLine. We got bludgeoned vs the Niners. They didn’t even need to pass. The pack pushed us around as well.. perhaps we’re more sturdy if one of our under tackles emerges.

Great point Kurt. Our best seasons have been correlated to being stout in the middle. Joseph was great, but not anymore. Maybe Pierce can be great.



it's definitely an upgrade, and it loosens up our draft a little bit, too....

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 7:27:48 AM   
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Kearse was signed by the Lions.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 7:32:51 AM   
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SkorNorth suggested FAs

1. Cornerback, Prince Amukamara

The former Bear saw a dip in his play last season, allowing a QB rating of 102.3 but he still has enough in the take to succeed on a short-term deal.

2. Wide receiver, Nelson Agholor

Following two solid seasons in 2017 and 2018, Agholor struggled in 2019 with only 39 receptions. If he comes at a reasonable price, he’s a bounce-back candidate.

3. Wide receiver, Devin Funchess

Funchess played only one game with Indy before suffering a season-ending injury. He was an average outside receiver in Carolina before his injury, maxing out at 63 receptions in 2018.

4. Cornerback, Will Parks

Rotational corner for the Broncos who, at age 25, may have potential. Has given up a 100.8 rating into his coverage over four years with Denver.

5. Wide receiver, Taylor Gabriel

Veteran slot receiver who is coming off a down year, could come at a very low price. Just one year removed from a 67-catch season.

6. Wide receiver, Phillip Dorsett

Emerged with the Patriots as a serviceable player after appearing to be a bust. Had 29 catches and five TDs last season.

7. Defensive end, Jabaal Sheard

Journeyman DE who produced a solid 42 pressures and five sacks last year on 378 pass rush snaps.

8. Cornerback, Bashaud Breeland

Veteran corner who started for the Super Bowl champs and gave up just a 77.4 rating into his coverage.

9. Guard, Earl Watford

Veteran backup who fits the Vikings’ size/athleticism profile for OL.

10. Wide receiver, Breshad Perriman

On his fourth team things clicked for Perriman as he became a deep threat for the Bucs, grabbing 36 catches at 17.9 yards per reception. The Vikings haven’t had a pure deep threat in the Zimmer era, though they tried by signing Michael Floyd in 2017.

11. Defensive tackle, Shelby Harris

A successful interior rotational rusher for the Broncos, Harris picked up 28 QB pressures on 346 pass rush snaps last season. He has 15 sacks over the last three years despite never playing 700 snaps in a single season.

12. Safety, Deon Bush

Hasn’t seen a great deal of work for the Bears but has been solid when he’s played.

13.. Safety, Adrian Phillips

A broken arm cost Phillips most of his 2019 season but he has been a solid player over his six years with the Chargers, grading above average in coverage by PFF each of the last three seasons.

14. Safety, Rodney McLeod

While most of the Eagles’ secondary struggled last year, McCleod stood out, giving up a 49.3 rating into his coverage.

15. Cornerback, Ron Darby

Darby had an extremely tough 2019 but he was a solid performer from 2015-2018 between Buffalo and Philadelphia. Allowed just a 72.3 rating into his coverage in 2017.

16. Cornerback, Jimmy Smith

The veteran has battled injuries recently, playing under 500 snaps last season. When healthy, however, he was terrific, allowing just a 49% completion percentage on throws into his coverage.

17. Safety, Tavon Wilson

The former Patriots draft pick developed into a solid player for the Lions, grading a 71.2 (out of 100) against the run and 73.7 in coverage by PFF’s system.

18. Cornerback, Tramon Williams

He may be long in the tooth but Williams still only gave up a 86.5 rating into his coverage in 2019.

19. Defensive tackle, Derek Wolfe

The long-time Bronco picked up seven sacks last season, his third highest career total. By PFF metrics he’s consistently been a strong run defender as well.

20. Cornerback, Johnathan Joseph

A former Zimmer corner, Joseph showed some signs of aging last year but still had 11 PBUs and gave up a 90.1 rating into his coverage — better than all three Vikings outside corners.

21. Tackle, Demar Dotson

At 34 and 6-foot-9, he doesn’t exactly fit the Vikings’ O-line profile in the zone scheme but Dotson has been a consistently strong pass protector over his long career.

21. Cornerback, Kevin Johnson

Plenty of bumps along the road as a former first-round pick of the Texans but rebooted his career with the Bills last season, giving up an 84.6 rating into his coverage.

22. Guard, Greg Van Roten

Veteran guard with solid pass blocking grades.

23. Cornerback, Ross Cockrell

A journeyman corner has allowed ratings under 70 the last two seasons.

24. Guard, Joe Haeg

Started for the Colts in 2017 and has been a reliable backup since.

25. Defensive end, Adrian Clayborn

The 31-year-old is still trucking as a rotational rusher, putting 48 pressures on opposing QBs on 322 snaps.

26. Guard, Stefan Wisniewski

A veteran backup, he played significant time for the Eagles and Chiefs recently.

27. Tackle, Kelvin Beachum

Veteran tackle who has consistently been a solid pass blocker, though he’s struggled with run blocking by PFF metrics.

28. Receiver, Tavon Austin

Has never become the player the Rams/Cowboys hoped for, still may have enough playmaking skill to make a difference.

29. Safety, Tony Jefferson

Once considered a top-notch safety, might turn into one again aside Smith.

30. Cornerback, Javien Elliott

Still inexperienced Panthers corner that might be

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 8:50:19 AM   
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Good stuff. Thanks for sharing. It seems that there will be some affordable options.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 9:11:03 AM   
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Kearse was signed by the Lions.

Tom Pelissero
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The #Lions are signing former #Vikings S Jayron Kearse to a one-year, $2.75 million deal, source said.

Seems Cheap.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 9:52:18 AM   
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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: kurt bilben

https://youtu.be/EWM3X6K67eo

Pro highlights


I LOVE this signing.

FA can be a 50/50 proposition but some positions are safer than others.
This guy looks like the real deal.
High praise in the video.
Also coming from a team that is pretty good at identifying dline.
Although... I'm surprised they didn't work to keep him.



Me too.

The last few times the Vikes have had a successful run we’ve gone out in free agency and picked up a sturdy run stuffing anchor to their DLine..

Jerry Ball
Pat Williams
Linval Joseph

Now hopefully Pierce lives up to that list.

Could re-ignite our DLine. We got bludgeoned vs the Niners. They didn’t even need to pass. The pack pushed us around as well.. perhaps we’re more sturdy if one of our under tackles emerges.


Good stuff Kurt.

Phat Pat and Jerry Ball come to my mind as well (very low center of gravity/mass).
I like it!
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:02:48 AM   
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Kearse was signed by the Lions.


Shame.

Talented, versatile guy that seemed to rub Zim the wrong way.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:03:11 AM   
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Mack Alexander just got signed for 4 mill. We will definitely sign a different free agent CB. One year deal with Bengals.

So the Bengals sniped two of Zimmer's corners.

< Message edited by Bruce Johnson -- 3/19/2020 10:04:49 AM >


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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:09:26 AM   
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SkorNorth suggested FAs

10. Wide receiver, Breshad Perriman

On his fourth team things clicked for Perriman as he became a deep threat for the Bucs, grabbing 36 catches at 17.9 yards per reception. The Vikings haven’t had a pure deep threat in the Zimmer era, though they tried by signing Michael Floyd in 2017.


Mike Wallace...Teddy overthrew him a few times.
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:11:23 AM   
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Michael Pierce contract:

$6M signing bonus
2020: $3M base fully g'td, $100K workout bonus ($5.1M cap hit)
2021: $7.9M base (g'td on 3rd day of LY), $100k workout bonus, up to $500K roster bonus
2022: $8.9M base ($1.1M g'td 3rd day of LY), $100K workout, up to $500K roster bonus

(Ben Goessling on Twitter)

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:16:11 AM   
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Mack Alexander just got signed for 4 mill. We will definitely sign a different free agent CB. One year deal with Bengals.

So the Bengals sniped two of Zimmer's corners.



4 MILLION!!

OUCH! I thought it would take 6-7 and still wanted him.

That hurts. CB just shot up the list of needs.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:23:36 AM   
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So basically Hughes and Hill are the last men standing?

Thank goodness for the more lenient pot policy. Hopefully Hill can stay clean during the shorter "testing window".

And it's time for Hughes to show he can actually stay healthy.

(I'm thinking we wrap Hughes and Thielen in bubble wrap whenever they're not playing in an actual game)
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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:24:19 AM   
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Mack Alexander just got signed for 4 mill. We will definitely sign a different free agent CB. One year deal with Bengals.

So the Bengals sniped two of Zimmer's corners.



4 MILLION!!

OUCH! I thought it would take 6-7 and still wanted him.

That hurts. CB just shot up the list of needs.


He was not happy about playing hurt during Chicago game. I don't think we could have signed him.

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RE: Free Agency 2020 - 3/19/2020 10:54:31 AM   
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They may think a lot of Boyd.
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