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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 6:41:57 PM

David Levine

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Quarterback
Cousins lit up the Seattle defense in the first half, completing 16 of 20 passes for 185 yards and three touchdowns. He tallied an 82.0 passing grade over the first 30 minutes of play, averaging 9.3 yards per attempt with an adjusted completion percentage of 94.4%. His success carried into the second half when he posted a 72.0 passing grade and 142 yards.

Running Back
Pro Bowl running back Dalvin Cook was ruled out prior to Sunday’s matchup, so Minnesota was forced to lean on Alexander Mattison. One of the premiere fantasy football handcuffs, Mattison handled 75% percent of the carries and bullied the Seahawks, racking up 57 yards after contact.

Receivers
Justin Jefferson dominated every statistical category for Minnesota Sunday afternoon, tallying nine receptions for 118 yards and a touchdown.

Adam Thielen salvaged his fantasy day with a touchdown and finished with five catches on seven targets. KJ Osborn operated as the third receiver in the offense, totaling 31 snaps, while Tyler Conklin paced the tight end room with 70 yards.

Offensive Line
The Vikings offensive line held up fairly well in pass protection, posting a 76.9 pass-blocking grade as a unit. It allowed three sacks and 10 QB pressures on the afternoon. Tackle Brian O’Neill led the way, posting an 83.8 pass-blocking grade and a clean sheet on 39 pass-blocking snaps. He didn’t allow a single pressure on Cousins.

The unit struggled a bit in run protection, though, posting an average 53.4 run-blocking grade.

Defensive Line
While Minnesota’s defensive line wasn’t exactly the Purple People Eaters Sunday, it was still effective, notching a 78.7 pass-rushing grade and 66.7 run-defense grade. Edge rusher Danielle Hunter paced the unit with an 85.0 pass-rushing grade, tallying eight QB hurries on 35 pass-rushing snaps.

Linebackers
It was the Eric Kendricks show in the Vikings' linebacker room. Kendricks boasted an elite pass-rushing grade of 90.0, getting home for a sack on Wilson on one of his three pass-rushing snaps. He totaled 10 tackles (zero missed tackles) on the afternoon — four more tackles than the next-best linebacker, Nick Vigil.

Secondary
As usual, Harrison Smith led a below-average secondary. The former Golden Domer posted a 77.1 coverage grade on 36 coverage snaps and didn’t allow a catch. The same cannot be said for cornerbacks Patrick Peterson and Bashaud Breeland, though. Peterson finished with a 51.7 coverage grade, allowing four receptions for 70 yards and five first downs on six targets. Breeland didn’t fare any better, as he gave up nine catches on nine targets for 102 yards, a touchdown and seven first downs.

https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-3-game-recap-minnesota-vikings-30-seattle-seahawks-17

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 7:36:48 PM

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Cousin's last 13 games, 32 TDs and 3 INTs.
So impressive when you consider the overall play of his OL.

Hell, that would be impressive if he had the best OL in the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 8:05:25 PM

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Just returned to the east coast after spending the week with family in La Crescent MN. Beautiful fall weather, great golf and food, absolute best. US wins the Ryder cup and the Vikes beat the hags. I called the win during the week and my family thought I was crazy. We have the makings of a good team. Not great but good. My problem with this, like the rest of you, is we settle for good and not great. Just getting by has been a hallmark of Viking football for too long. One good game will not erase the long list of front office blunders and coaching errors. I always hope for the best, but another year of just getting by is one year too many. Change is coming one way or another.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 8:33:58 PM

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Right.

I don't know a lot about these rankings other than if theyre up there they must not be playing too bad:

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The #Vikings' strategy of having a billion Day 3 picks each year is starting to pay off this season.

- Tyler Conklin: 2018 5th Rightwards arrow starting TE
- Oli Udoh: 2019 6th Rightwards arrow starting RG
- D.J Wonnum: 2020 4th Rightwards arrow starting DE
- K.J. Osborn: 2020 5th Rightwards arrow WR3

Osborn looks so good compared to what we usually trot out there as a 3rd wr. I love how he didn't show his hands too early on the blitz beater towards the end of the game. We have some players folks.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 8:37:04 PM

Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Steve Lentz

Cousin's last 13 games, 32 TDs and 3 INTs.
So impressive when you consider the overall play of his OL.

Hell, that would be impressive if he had the best OL in the league.

Cousins has been the least of our problems for a while

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 9:07:10 PM

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Mike Zimmer: "I told the team that it's the best offensive performance that I've seen in the eight years that I've been here."

Well, ofcourse ... we did it without having to throw it downfield much. They were 3-8 on third down, we were 9-14 – so not only did we play zimmer ball to a tee, we denied them their game.

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Despite Mike Zimmer lauding the good offensive showing, #Vikings QB Kirk Cousins said they still need to do better in the red zone. He said they settled too much for field goals and that might come back to bite them.

Thank you Kirk. Playing great, keeping the fire hot. Zimmer may be prancing around the golden offensive efficiency calf in religious ecstasy ... but Seattle's defense is a shambles ... we will need to maximize our scoring opportunities against better teams, not just our time of possession.

That last FG pissed me off. When Mattison got the first down at the 5, I knew what was going to happen...two runs that would come up short and a half assed designed pass play. Sure enough, Mattison comes up short, a baffling handoff to Ham loses and the receiver screen to Thielen that never works, didn't work.

Nice to get a win but it's hard to argue with that ....

That sequence was one of only two negatives in the second half. Honestly, I don't know why they continue to throw screens to Thielen. He just isn't good at them. That last one was the more successful of the two that they threw him yesterday because it didn't lose yardage.

The other negative was the receiver getting 10 yards behind our secondary on the Hail Mary pass. Luckily the throw was late and Harrison Smith got away with a blatant pass interference.

Thielen's strengths are superior route running and great hands to catch the ball. Running after the catch is not his strong suit.

So they should never design a play where it is dependent on him to run after the catch. Sideline routes, Endzone, first down throws TO THE STICKS all great to use Theilen for. Little dump passes and screens and end arounds, not a good a idea.

Throwing the ball behind the LOS under a condensed field is never a good idea. Coaching 101

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 9:49:00 PM

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I don't think the Bengals nor Cardinals will finish last in their divisions, they can put on points and are teams on the rise.

I am wondering if the Chiefs will get out of the funk that many SB losers seem to get the following season ??

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/27/2021 10:31:18 PM

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If we keep playing like we aren't totally confused about why we're on a football field,
I think we have a chance to be a good team. I'm hopeful and cautiously optimistic.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 7:30:24 AM

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I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 8:48:10 AM

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I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

We'll see how stubborn Zimmer remains in the face of Breeland's persistently putrid performance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 10:01:29 AM

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I don't think the Bengals nor Cardinals will finish last in their divisions, they can put on points and are teams on the rise.

I am wondering if the Chiefs will get out of the funk that many SB losers seem to get the following season ??

Somebody has to finish last in the NFC West, I would want to wager money on it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 11:15:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

We'll see how stubborn Zimmer remains in the face of Breeland's persistently putrid performance.

i don't think that zimmer learned anything from the victory over seattle...to him, it was a confirmation that his system works...the reason he hired klint kubiak is he wanted someone he could easily, and completely control....

replacing breeland with dantzler would instantly make the defense better, but dantzler reminds him of last season, and last season sucked....

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 11:44:27 AM

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

We'll see how stubborn Zimmer remains in the face of Breeland's persistently putrid performance.

i don't think that zimmer learned anything from the victory over seattle...to him, it was a confirmation that his system works...the reason he hired klint kubiak is he wanted someone he could easily, and completely control....

replacing breeland with dantzler would instantly make the defense better, but dantzler reminds him of last season, and last season sucked....

Breeland is a physical tackler... which is what Zim values above coverage... because who knows why.
Breeland was the corner that stripped the ball from Lockett(?)... it ended up being down by contact but I'm sure it just reaffirms to Zim that BB should be out there.

It's interesting, Peterson and Breeland both line up giving like an 8 yard cushion... which drives me nuts... but Peterson does seem able to still cover the receiver... Breeland can AT BEST make the tackle after the completion (or TD). Because we've seen this cushion forever, I would assume it's Zim's scheme. And BB can't cover in it. He isn't a fit for this defense and it's a problem. Maybe he can adapt... but I don't have high hopes. I think he is average in a scheme that fits him well.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 12:25:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

We'll see how stubborn Zimmer remains in the face of Breeland's persistently putrid performance.

i don't think that zimmer learned anything from the victory over seattle...to him, it was a confirmation that his system works...the reason he hired klint kubiak is he wanted someone he could easily, and completely control....

replacing breeland with dantzler would instantly make the defense better, but dantzler reminds him of last season, and last season sucked....

Dantzler was awful in pre season. Burned constantly and had no interest in tackling.

This is on Dantzler, not Zimmer.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 12:32:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

We'll see how stubborn Zimmer remains in the face of Breeland's persistently putrid performance.

i don't think that zimmer learned anything from the victory over seattle...to him, it was a confirmation that his system works...the reason he hired klint kubiak is he wanted someone he could easily, and completely control....

replacing breeland with dantzler would instantly make the defense better, but dantzler reminds him of last season, and last season sucked....

Breeland is a physical tackler... which is what Zim values above coverage... because who knows why.
Breeland was the corner that stripped the ball from Lockett(?)... it ended up being down by contact but I'm sure it just reaffirms to Zim that BB should be out there.

It's interesting, Peterson and Breeland both line up giving like an 8 yard cushion... which drives me nuts... but Peterson does seem able to still cover the receiver... Breeland can AT BEST make the tackle after the completion (or TD). Because we've seen this cushion forever, I would assume it's Zim's scheme. And BB can't cover in it. He isn't a fit for this defense and it's a problem. Maybe he can adapt... but I don't have high hopes. I think he is average in a scheme that fits him well.

CBs often have trouble adapting to Zimmer's system (Captain Munnerlyn springs to mind), so who knows where the problem lies. I, too, always keep in mind what we've seen forever with the cushions and the holes in coverage. But I also remember the amount of resources dedicated to the secondary, and how little it has yielded over the years---especially yielded anything that endures.

I was really happy with the win on Sunday, but I have a feeling that Seattle is really bad right now, and the Vikings (especially the defense, which benefited tremendously from drops/missed passes/non-calls) might not be close to how they appeared against Seattle.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 12:48:52 PM

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ORIGINAL: beo

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I've seen enough of Breeland. Worst rated CB in the league.

You've proved your point Zim. Please let Dantzler out of the dog house before your prized FA Vet CB costs us the season.

We'll see how stubborn Zimmer remains in the face of Breeland's persistently putrid performance.

i don't think that zimmer learned anything from the victory over seattle...to him, it was a confirmation that his system works...the reason he hired klint kubiak is he wanted someone he could easily, and completely control....

replacing breeland with dantzler would instantly make the defense better, but dantzler reminds him of last season, and last season sucked....

Breeland is a physical tackler... which is what Zim values above coverage... because who knows why.
Breeland was the corner that stripped the ball from Lockett(?)... it ended up being down by contact but I'm sure it just reaffirms to Zim that BB should be out there.

It's interesting, Peterson and Breeland both line up giving like an 8 yard cushion... which drives me nuts... but Peterson does seem able to still cover the receiver... Breeland can AT BEST make the tackle after the completion (or TD). Because we've seen this cushion forever, I would assume it's Zim's scheme. And BB can't cover in it. He isn't a fit for this defense and it's a problem. Maybe he can adapt... but I don't have high hopes. I think he is average in a scheme that fits him well.

The problem still is that Dantzler may be the best man to man cover CB but Boyd and Breeland can run defend also and play multiple coverages better. There will be injuries and Dantzler will get time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 12:53:09 PM

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What if I told you that Breeland is just as shitty a tackler as Dantzler is? And that Dantzler can at least cover receivers marginally well while Breeland sucks at that too?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 1:37:39 PM

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What if I told you that Breeland is just as shitty a tackler as Dantzler is? And that Dantzler can at least cover receivers marginally well while Breeland sucks at that too?

If you told me that, I'd be inclined to believe you from what I have seen of Breeland so far.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 3:35:36 PM

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I don't know if danceler came into this season thinking he had it made in the shade, or if you thought he was just going to be the next Dion. Seem to recall last year he was pretty effective at knifing in and breaking up short plays like screens and that sort of thing

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 3:46:12 PM

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Dantzler seems like a Freelancer…

A definite no, no in zimmerball.

Breeland sticks to his assignment, he just flat out sux in coverage, as shown by 9 targets against.. 9 receptions against.

I think a bushy pine tree on rollers could get at least one P D…

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 4:15:25 PM

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dantzler sent this tweet after the game sunday....

CamDantzler @camdantzler3
I’m tired of biting my tongue about this whole situation fr…..
6:47PM 9/26/21

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 4:29:56 PM

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Someone's getting traded...

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 4:32:44 PM

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How many disgruntled players does it take before maybe we start to ask if it's a Zimmer problem? It's like the guy on his fifth marriage who can't believe his bad luck with women.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 4:36:04 PM

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Nice to see the Strib write an article like this one:

Film review: How improved play and scheme are boosting the Vikings offensive line

https://www.startribune.com/vikings-offensive-line-improved-play-kyle-zimmer-schemes-film-review-andrew-krammer/600101594/

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 9/28/2021 4:37:41 PM

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dantzler sent this tweet after the game sunday....

CamDantzler @camdantzler3
I’m tired of biting my tongue about this whole situation fr…..
6:47PM 9/26/21

He could get a real job if this one sucks so bad ...

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