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Disc Golf - 9/26/2022 3:58:57 PM   
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In recent disc golf news a transgender (man to woman) individual Natalie Ryan has won two elite series events in the last two months. She has not undergone sex reassignment surgery, but has been undergoing hormone replacement therapy for the required year. I see a problem with this. The restricted division FPO Female Professional Open is created due to sex based differences not gender based differences. Let's grant that her gender is female, but her sex is still male and that gives scientifically proven huge physical advantages to her. There is a division open to everybody the MPO which stands for mixed professional open. There is no division only open to males. If Natalie isn't good enough to compete in that division that's just the way it is for most disc golfers. Very few people can play at that level. This should not allow her to compete in a protected division where she has huge physical advantages. There are thousands of males that can't compete in the MPO level that could dominate in the FPO division. If the inclusive rulings like this continue soon all "protected" women's sports will be dominated by transgender individuals.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/11/2022 11:55:03 AM   
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Holy shit there really is a disk golf thread. Cool!

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/11/2022 12:15:51 PM   
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RE: Disc Golf - 10/11/2022 6:13:10 PM   
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Holy shit there really is a disk golf thread. Cool!

I have a subscription to DiscGolfNetwork to watch all the tournaments. The big star of the game Paul McBeth has a million dollar a year endorsement deal with Discraft plus other endorsements.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/11/2022 7:30:45 PM   
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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFjBbwkG/

I tried the link from my work computer. It was blocked. Do I dare view it from my personal computer?

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/11/2022 7:37:44 PM   
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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFjBbwkG/

I tried the link from my work computer. It was blocked. Do I dare view it from my personal computer?


It's just tiktok
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RE: Disc Golf - 10/12/2022 4:47:28 PM   
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https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMFjBbwkG/

I tried the link from my work computer. It was blocked. Do I dare view it from my personal computer?


It's just tiktok

I've never tiktoked. I've had tic tacs before. Those are good.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/13/2022 12:46:55 PM   
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I'm watching the DGPT Disc Golf Professional Tour championships over the next 4 days on Discgolfnetwork.com.
It should be incredible. Players will be eliminated each day.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/14/2022 11:36:08 AM   
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Down to the final 8 players in the FPO division. Everybody's favorite transgender golfer Natalie Ryan had a chance until the final hole, but did not make the cut.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/14/2022 6:08:44 PM   
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KG. Are you familiar with this transgender MMA fighter?

https://bjj-world.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon-fox-breaks-skull-of-her-female-opponent/
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RE: Disc Golf - 10/14/2022 6:10:09 PM   
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Funny that never came up when we were talking about transgender females out racing or swimming natural born females.
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RE: Disc Golf - 10/20/2022 10:54:11 PM   
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KG. Are you familiar with this transgender MMA fighter?

https://bjj-world.com/transgender-mma-fighter-fallon-fox-breaks-skull-of-her-female-opponent/

No, but I have the same opinion about this male sex athlete competing with female sex athletes in sports. It's ridiculous.

Here's a quote from the article
"Are we to assume that because someone was born a certain way they must always be that way for the rest of their life?"
When it comes to competing in sports the simple answer is yes. Besides that a person born male sex can never be female sex and vice versa. No surgeries or hormones can change this.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/22/2022 3:46:03 AM   
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Feels like these arguing for allowing transgendered athletes are willing to ignore this particular event.
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RE: Disc Golf - 10/23/2022 12:48:29 PM   
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Feels like these arguing for allowing transgendered athletes are willing to ignore this particular event.

Inclusion of male sex participants in female sex protected sports is insanity. Protected is supposed to mean only female sex may participate.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/27/2022 10:54:54 AM   
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The disc golf pro tour season is over. However, their are pros touring doing exhibition events.

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RE: Disc Golf - 10/30/2022 6:37:55 AM   
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Zach Nash wins the Amateur championship and I think he's good enough that we will be seeing him do some damage on the Pro Tour.

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RE: Disc Golf - 12/13/2022 10:13:44 AM   
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Sanity regarding transgender participants in professional sports from the PDGA.
https://www.pdga.com/announcements/pdga-board-directors-statement-update-pdga-policy-eligibility-gender-based-divisions
80% of all women's disc golf professionals were against Transgender athletes participating in their protected division
The transphobic bitches.......... SARCASM

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RE: Disc Golf - 12/13/2022 11:23:22 AM   
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The science behind the ruling. Note the 7-0 vote against transgender women being allowed to compete in FPO protected events.

Medical subcommittee research
In August 2022, the PDGA provided an update to members reporting that “[t]he Subcommittee on Gender-based Divisions has been meeting regularly, and through collected research and data, has developed the framework for an early draft of a proposal, ultimately to be approved by the PDGA Global Board of Directors.”

The Subcommittee comprised seven experts with various medical (M.D.) and scientific (Ph.D) backgrounds to provide scientific feedback. The Subcommittee report was completed in October and delivered to the PDGA Global Board of Directors. The report strictly looked at published research on human anatomy, physiology and biomechanics. The report stated that safety issues were not applicable to the sport of disc golf, and the position of the PDGA should be to evaluate fairness and inclusion.

In part, the report stated, “Some researchers contend the outdated IOC guidelines, based chiefly on testosterone levels, failed to provide a level playing field for female competitors. For example, Hilton and Lundberg (2021) noted that ‘with regard to transgender women athletes, we question whether current circulating testosterone level cut-off can be a meaningful decisive factor, when in fact not even suppression down to around 1 nmol/L removes the anthropometric and muscle mass/strength advantage in any significant way’ (p. 211). General support for a roughly 5% reduction in strength after a year of testosterone suppression has been reported (Handelsman et al., 2018; Harper, et al., 2021; Roberts, et al. 2021; & Wilk et al., 2020). This 5% reduction may continue in subsequent years, although it is unlikely. This initial reduction in strength may be offset by transgender women maintaining irreversible (legacy) advantages in anthropometric measures and in the biomechanical benefits afforded by those anthropometrics. Further study may help to quantify these legacy advantages.”

The paper goes on to say that “The opinion of Shrier (2022) regarding the biological advantages afforded by men is supported by science and is worthy of consideration: ‘…effects of male puberty are profound, and they are permanent… more fast-twitch muscle fiber, greater upper-body muscle mass, greater lower-body muscle mass, greater bone density. They grant men a significant and unbridgeable advantage over women in nearly every physical contest. Even if a man later takes estrogen and artificially reduces the level of ‘bioactive’ testosterone in his body, he will not surrender these advantages.’ This stance is supported by anthropometric data and basic principles of biomechanics. It is also in agreement with the International Federation of Sports Medicine consensus statement that ‘Transwomen have the right to compete in sports. However, cisgender women have the right to compete in a protected category.’ (Hamilton et al., 2021, p. 1409)

The report concludes: “It is important to establish policies that are both inclusive and fair. In terms of fairness, no transgender person should ever be excluded. Thus, while it would be unfair for transgender women to compete against cisgender women, there would be no question of unfairness if transgender men or transgender women were to compete in the mixed divisions at any amateur or pro level, or in any age protected divisions that they are qualified for.” The Subcommittee took a straw poll and voted 7-0 to the following question, with 7 votes for No and 0 votes for Yes: Based on research and your professional training and experience, do you believe transgender women should be able to compete in the FPO division at all PDGA events? On the following question, the Subcommittee voted 5-2 to the following proposal, with 5 votes for No and 2 votes for Yes: Based on research and your professional training and experience, do you believe that transgender women should be able to compete in amateur female divisions at PDGA events with the exception of Majors?

The PDGA Medical Committee was sent the final Subcommittee report and unanimously approved it for submission to the Board of Directors.

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RE: Disc Golf - 12/13/2022 11:27:40 AM   
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Member survey
A survey of PDGA members 18 years of age and older was conducted on October 5, 2022. The survey was reviewed by a university Institutional Review Board (IRB) to ensure adequate provisions to protect the privacy of participants and to maintain confidentiality of the data. A total of 35,901 PDGA members completed the survey, which represents a 32% response rate which exceeded expectations. 97% of respondents who started the survey completed it. The initial results of the survey indicate that competition level was likely a significant variable, although analyses are ongoing by university researchers.

In response to the statement "Transgender women should be allowed to compete with other women after gender affirming (hormone) treatment", the following groups of PDGA members strongly disagreed or disagreed:

62% of all members
55% of amateur women
63% of professional women
75% of DGPT women
In response to the statement "Transgender women should be allowed to compete with other women in disc golf and in other sports", the following groups of PDGA members strongly disagreed or disagreed:

67% of all members
55% of amateur women
68% of professional women
80% of DGPT women

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RE: Disc Golf - 12/13/2022 11:32:16 AM   
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Eligibility update
Taking into account the conclusion of the Subcommittee, affirmation from the Medical Committee, relevant conclusions evident from the membership survey data and a review of peer reviewed research studies, the PDGA Global Board of Directors has voted to move forward with a new policy on transgender participation in gender-based divisions effective January 1, 2023. Major points of the policy governing the participation of transgender women in gender-based divisions are listed below:

For PDGA Amateur Majors, Pro Master Majors and all other PDGA events sanctioned at A-Tier level and below the requirements regarding a player's level of testosterone have been lowered from under 10 nmol/L for one year to under 2 nmol/L for two years.
Players are only eligible to compete in the gender-based FPO division at PDGA Pro Majors (Champions Cup, USWDGC, European Open, and Pro Worlds) if they began medical transition during Tanner Stage 2 or before age 12, whichever is later. The player must also continuously maintain a total testosterone level in serum below 2.0 nmol/L.
Organizations which are specifically designated by the PDGA under the terms of an explicit agreement to run Elite Series tours may use any set or subset of the eligibility criteria above at their events. Application of the chosen criteria must comport with the terms of their agreement with the PDGA.
Conclusion
The decision to change eligibility criteria at our events was not made lightly. The PDGA Global Board of Directors worked tirelessly over the last ten months to study this issue and debated and discussed this topic for 11.5 hours on the second day of the Fall Summit. After carefully reviewing ten different proposals, the PDGA Global Board of Directors voted to update the eligibility criteria for gender-based divisions. The PDGA Global Board of Directors cares deeply about the culture and history of the sport of disc golf. From the beginning, disc golf has strived to be an inclusive sport that welcomes people from all walks of life.

The PDGA Global Board of Directors values fairness and inclusion and will continue to evaluate and update this policy as additional science and data become available, and as additional sporting organizations around the world continue to look closely at this issue.

The PDGA Global Board of Directors categorically and unequivocally condemns the hateful and hurtful behavior directed towards members of the transgender community. While a majority of the PDGA Global Board of Directors has voted to move forward with new policy, that does not diminish our desire to be an inclusive sport. We encourage all of our members to treat members of the transgender community with love and respect, in keeping with our frisbee culture. Transgender women should be free to live their lives as they see fit, without fear of being attacked for who they are. In addition, baseless accusations that a member is misrepresenting their identity, or their eligibility are reckless and irresponsible. The PDGA appreciates the many transgender women who have reached out to the PDGA Medical Committee and who are abiding by PDGA policies.

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RE: Disc Golf - 12/13/2022 11:40:04 AM   
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My own personal conclusion is that I'm so proud of the PDGA for having the courage to side with science and common sense in protecting the restricted Female Professional Open division from participation by those who have unfair advantages.
There is an open division that all transgender athletes male or female are welcome to compete in. If they can compete and win in the open division congratulations are in order. If they aren't good enough to compete in that division that just makes them the same as 99.99% of all disc golfers.

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RE: Disc Golf - 1/19/2023 2:40:47 PM   
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Disc Golf has it's 2nd Million dollar a year player German Born now US citizen Simon Lizzotte.

The Deal
After weeks of negotiations and legal review, today MVP announced a 10-year endorsement deal with Lizotte. It is the longest such contract since Paul McBeth signed for 10 years with Discraft for $10 million — and it reaches a similar scope.

MVP will pay Lizotte a guaranteed seven figures a year along with a six figure signing bonus, with an uncapped potential for more earnings through disc sales and performance incentives. MVP also paid Discmania the $1,000,000 buyout clause in their contract with Lizotte, which was restructured last spring and set to run through 2026.

“The Leading Edge in disc golf now is paired with the leading man in disc golf – charisma, charm, and one heck of an arm,” MVP wrote on their website. “This partnership is a perfect match of technical and manufacturing skill, and the most naturally talented disc golfer on the planet – we are ready to turn the disc golf world upside down.”

“This whole thing is a new motivation for me to try harder,” said Lizotte.

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