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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 9:39:09 AM

Tom Sykes

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When fans claim Players, Coaches, GMs, Owners are off limits in some way … that their knowledge or decision-making is too sophisticated for us lunkhead fans … its a spectator sport that begs for second guessing from its fans to exist in the first place. No fan interest, no sport.

Einstein playing dominos with Hawking would have been a bloodsport. Both players skewered and second guessed for their choices.

Rightfully so. Not because we put ourselves on their intellectual plane. Its a game of choice and chance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 9:59:07 AM

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I'm gaining respect for KC's everyday.

Day 1 - he's a guy that made a dumb throw
Day 2 - he's a guy that made a dumb throw because he had no time and was about to get blasted
Day 3 - he's a guy that made a dumb throw that showed off his brilliant abilities to make something out of nothing because that throw was't an option

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 10:45:22 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:02:58 AM

ratoppenheimer

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it's my understanding that cousins lead the league in sacks and quarterback hits last year....

he had sore and injured ribs for most of the season...ribs don't heal quickly...i was once boxing someone several weight classes higher than I was, and I took a shot to the ribs that changed my life...yeah, it hurt...i finished the fight, but I was still feeling it four months later....

if i'm cousins, i'm telling kwesi - "you want to go deeper into the playoffs? then get me a couple of guards that can phucking block!!"

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:16:40 AM

Tom Sykes

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:31:44 AM

Tom Sykes

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it's my understanding that cousins lead the league in sacks and quarterback hits last year....

he had sore and injured ribs for most of the season...ribs don't heal quickly...i was once boxing someone several weight classes higher than I was, and I took a shot to the ribs that changed my life...yeah, it hurt...i finished the fight, but I was still feeling it four months later....

if i'm cousins, i'm telling kwesi - "you want to go deeper into the playoffs? then get me a couple of guards that can phucking block!!"

Any unbiased casual onlooker would agree with that.

IMO if that conversation happened in a QB meeting ... I would expect KOC to reply with something like, "Get smarter. Get rid of the ball faster. Make better adjustments at the line. Read defenses quicker, Understand the game situation better. Deal with pressure better ...

and in the meantime, we'll wait for Ingram to develop into an nfl guard, Bradbury to continue his infinitesmally small improvement from year to year, and Cleveland to leave after his contract ends so we can find a different oft injured average free agent value to replace him."

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:34:42 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

And I contend that because of where the pressure was coming from, the whole left side of the field was not a possibility. The only pass available was the one right in front of him. And he barely got that off.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:36:55 AM

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Meanwhile everyone here is smarter than a current NFL quarterback.

Got it.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:41:32 AM

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I'm guessing that every QB that made the playoffs last year's season ended on a less than ideal play, unless they won it all. QBs don't make the perfect decision/throw on every play. Just the way it is.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:42:36 AM 1 votes

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I don’t know the first thing about engine repair but I sure as hell know when the car isn’t running right.

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I wouldn't give ANY qb $30-50+ mil unless that QB had won me a Super Bowl. Did you win a Super Bowl on your rookie deal? Yes? Great! Here's your hugenormous contract. F it let's just run victory laps and love life. No? Good luck. Next!

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:51:48 AM

Tom Sykes

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

quote:

ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Meanwhile everyone here is smarter than a current NFL quarterback.

Got it.

Not that being an nfl QB puts you in the Mensa Society ... far from it ... much less a not-that-smart-to-begin-with QB that's gotten smacked around the head all season.

but your point was answered directly and plainly. Nobody claims that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 11:54:43 AM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I don’t know the first thing about engine repair but I sure as hell know when the car isn’t running right.

No problem. Sometimes it just doesn't run right. It happens.

Walking is good for you.

Dilly-Pickle-Dilly or something like that.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 12:02:13 PM

Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

And I contend that because of where the pressure was coming from, the whole left side of the field was not a possibility. The only pass available was the one right in front of him. And he barely got that off.

I don't buy it because I'm biased. And because I didn't see that watching the replays.

Not that my opinion matters but I concede that is a much better / stronger argument than simple pressure.

I'll have to watch it again for the bazillionth time.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 12:02:47 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

And I contend that because of where the pressure was coming from, the whole left side of the field was not a possibility. The only pass available was the one right in front of him. And he barely got that off.

oops double post

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 12:18:54 PM

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I'm going with the Warner analysis.

1) Knowing that Hock was going to chip made him a non-option at the LOS.
2) Thielen was a no-go, not sure he said why... I guess because of the degree of difficulty.
3) From the get-go, Cousins should have taken a peek at JJ and if it wasn't viable then go to Osborn.

Two reads. Not four. Two reads would have taken less time, therefore allowing a reasonable pass that would lead Osborn.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 12:43:28 PM

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In the realm of footballing at the professional level, having a decade of experience in the NFL and 16+ years experience playing the position, was it asking too much that he go to Jefferson, the guy who made it happen in buffalo, and then also know that the D will double him so be ready to go to KJ, who he knew would be cutting across the middle into the area that JJ-double-coverage would leave vacant? Yes. It was asking too much. Dump off five yards short of the sticks. It’s in his DNA. Dude is the LEAST HUNGRY qb in the league.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 12:47:50 PM

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And now I'm bored with the whole thing. Being right all the time is such a burden.

On to the Seahawks game.

I am actually going to stay up and watch this meaningless game with greater than normal (for me) interest, with mostly non-starters (and non-NFL players by end of camp) running vanilla schemes. Mainly for the following things:

First peek at Addison. I hope he's one of the few projected starters who will se significant action.

Flores defense. With an asterisk. It's not like they are full blown game planning for the Seahawks and throwing everything they can at them. The game will mainly be about player evaluation and how well they are working in the schemes. But you should still be able to pick up something of the new defensive approach.

QB depth. Cousins has been amazingly durable considering how much he gets knocked around. But if he goes down, the other QBs suddenly become the most important question of the season.

RB depth. Likewise, to the QB situation. I like Mattison. I have since he was first drafted. But if he goes down we have no clue what we've got at RB.

WR depth. JJ KJ and Addison are locks. Who else will jump up?

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 12:59:09 PM

Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

In the realm of footballing at the professional level, having a decade of experience in the NFL and 16+ years experience playing the position, was it asking too much that he go to Jefferson, the guy who made it happen in buffalo, and then also know that the D will double him so be ready to go to KJ, who he knew would be cutting across the middle into the area that JJ-double-coverage would leave vacant? Yes. It was asking too much. Dump off five yards short of the sticks. It’s in his DNA. Dude is the LEAST HUNGRY qb in the league.

That play had nothing to do with being hungry. It was doomed when Ezra Cleveland ole'd the Giants nose tackle. Kirk had no chance.

And that's all I have to say about that, in the words of Forrest Gump.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 1:16:44 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I'm going with the Warner analysis.

1) Knowing that Hock was going to chip made him a non-option at the LOS.
2) Thielen was a no-go, not sure he said why... I guess because of the degree of difficulty.
3) From the get-go, Cousins should have taken a peek at JJ and if it wasn't viable then go to Osborn.

Two reads. Not four. Two reads would have taken less time, therefore allowing a reasonable pass that would lead Osborn.

It's simply true.

He sets up and throws. It went to the wrong place. That's the bottomline. It just is.

Yes Cousins was lucky to get the throw off at all. His right arm is still extending forward when the pass rusher's arm is coming across his chest. But that didn't cause the throw to fail. An incompletion was not the failure.

That happened earlier in the space between Cousins' ears, as he was stepping off his back foot and pumping the ball ...

with the little bee buzzing around inside saying, 'think, think, think.'

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 1:49:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

In the realm of footballing at the professional level, having a decade of experience in the NFL and 16+ years experience playing the position, was it asking too much that he go to Jefferson, the guy who made it happen in buffalo, and then also know that the D will double him so be ready to go to KJ, who he knew would be cutting across the middle into the area that JJ-double-coverage would leave vacant? Yes. It was asking too much. Dump off five yards short of the sticks. It’s in his DNA. Dude is the LEAST HUNGRY qb in the league.

That play had nothing to do with being hungry. It was doomed when Ezra Cleveland ole'd the Giants nose tackle. Kirk had no chance.

And that's all I have to say about that, in the words of Forrest Gump.

This is not to excuse Cleveland at all on 'that' 4th down play ... if he were facing Cousins he couldn't have run back to him any faster than he did in reverse.

But I just noticed that Cook, in his Costanza-like frenzy to vacate the building and disappear into the flat ... actually runs across the back leg or foot of Cleveland. I believe it makes Cleveland flail even harder.

It's just a shame Cook didn't trip him completely. A mound of Cleveland on the ground might have offered more resistance.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 4:38:47 PM

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Saw this posted on Twitter of Diggs Preseason (followed by being inactive first 3 games of rookie season)

https://twitter.com/i/status/1689667975211569152

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 4:44:42 PM

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Good discussion on KC. Well done, Karl and Tom.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 5:29:20 PM

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So tonight we get TNF on ABC..

Seahags..

I hope to hell we actually make the starters play more than one series on both sides of the ball..

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 5:31:22 PM

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And stop quoting the ridiculous wide post by David F, and others…

Good lord just stop..
Kurt Warner’s Twitter post is useless, pointless and self serving.

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RE: General Vikes Talk - 8/10/2023 8:19:17 PM

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The most momentous event in the world since 4th and 8 happens tonight. Go Vikings and Go Addison and Go everybody. For those who don't have broadcast TV Chat Sports is hosting a watch party.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CASSb-ghkP8

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