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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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it's my understanding that cousins lead the league in sacks and quarterback hits last year....

he had sore and injured ribs for most of the season...ribs don't heal quickly...i was once boxing someone several weight classes higher than I was, and I took a shot to the ribs that changed my life...yeah, it hurt...i finished the fight, but I was still feeling it four months later....

if i'm cousins, i'm telling kwesi - "you want to go deeper into the playoffs? then get me a couple of guards that can phucking block!!"

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Meanwhile everyone here is smarter than a current NFL quarterback.

Got it.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I don’t know the first thing about engine repair but I sure as hell know when the car isn’t running right.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

And I contend that because of where the pressure was coming from, the whole left side of the field was not a possibility. The only pass available was the one right in front of him. And he barely got that off.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Kurt Warner gives a fair take. A few things: Jefferson was double-teamed not triple-teamed. The defender was not in Kirk's face. Warner says either take the shot to a double-teamed Jefferson right away or go to your next read (which would have been KJ about to break free across the middle).

https://twitter.com/kurt13warner/status/1615019673908842498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1615019673908842498%7Ctwgr%5E5f09d9be403c611f8416f4aba5091dd7fc97c963%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fvikingsterritory.com%2F2023%2Fgeneral-news%2Fhall-of-famer-defends-kirk

Yes I’ve seen the Warner analysis too. Here’s my problem with it. Warner stops the video countless times at a spot where it looks like Cousins had a nice tidy pocket. Warner is pointing out everything downfield blah blah, but when you then continue the video, within a split second a DT is blowing past the blocker almost unimpeded, and he reaches Cousins just as he releases the ball.

Warner never addresses this.

So go ahead laugh at me for disagreeing with the HOF qb but I think he’s wrong. He’s so busy analyzing the Xs and Os that he missed effect the pressure had, which rendered most of his analysis moot.

The only valid criticism is MAYBE a mobile QB ducks the rush, buys himself and extra second or two. But that’s it.

You have Sweeney Syndrome. You think you know more than a former NFL quarterback.

Warner does a very good schematic breakdown sure. Way better than I could do. And you guys can all Ooh and ah over it. Fine. But just the fact people here are still talking about ‘options’ tells me you don’t get what I’m saying. You’re acting like Kirk calmly surveyed the field and said “You know what, I’ll just throw it to my TE short of the sticks.”

That’s absurd.

He got smacked just as he threw the ball. It happened lightning fast and he was fortunate to get a throw off at all.

But yeah let’s keep breaking down ‘options’ as if they mattered.

Everybody understands what you're saying. Not one person is saying Cousins had all day. He was absolutely under pressure to get the throw off. Its absurd to characterize the other point of view that way.

What you are wrong about – what Warner clearly agrees you are wrong about (which is just another observation, nothing more nothing less) – is that the error was in the decision where to throw the ball ... when Cousins stops and sets his feet ... before stepping into his throw and releasing the ball.

Obviously ... the smack came milliseconds after the ball left his hand because it reached his target. Was he rushed? Of course. That happened all season long with some pretty good results.

The only possible ground for you to stand on is to suggest the smack came milliseconds before the ball left his hand and, therefore, the ball went to an unintended target.

Which would be patently wrong and an even more feeble excuse for how the play / game / season turned out.

And I contend that because of where the pressure was coming from, the whole left side of the field was not a possibility. The only pass available was the one right in front of him. And he barely got that off.

oops double post

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ORIGINAL: David F.

In the realm of footballing at the professional level, having a decade of experience in the NFL and 16+ years experience playing the position, was it asking too much that he go to Jefferson, the guy who made it happen in buffalo, and then also know that the D will double him so be ready to go to KJ, who he knew would be cutting across the middle into the area that JJ-double-coverage would leave vacant? Yes. It was asking too much. Dump off five yards short of the sticks. It’s in his DNA. Dude is the LEAST HUNGRY qb in the league.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

I'm going with the Warner analysis.

1) Knowing that Hock was going to chip made him a non-option at the LOS.
2) Thielen was a no-go, not sure he said why... I guess because of the degree of difficulty.
3) From the get-go, Cousins should have taken a peek at JJ and if it wasn't viable then go to Osborn.

Two reads. Not four. Two reads would have taken less time, therefore allowing a reasonable pass that would lead Osborn.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: David F.

In the realm of footballing at the professional level, having a decade of experience in the NFL and 16+ years experience playing the position, was it asking too much that he go to Jefferson, the guy who made it happen in buffalo, and then also know that the D will double him so be ready to go to KJ, who he knew would be cutting across the middle into the area that JJ-double-coverage would leave vacant? Yes. It was asking too much. Dump off five yards short of the sticks. It’s in his DNA. Dude is the LEAST HUNGRY qb in the league.

That play had nothing to do with being hungry. It was doomed when Ezra Cleveland ole'd the Giants nose tackle. Kirk had no chance.

And that's all I have to say about that, in the words of Forrest Gump.