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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:15:24 PM   
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but this is on Fleck

had the opportunity to just punch it in quickly after a fantastic effort by Johnson.

And they had to burn the time out.

Quick-snap QB sneak was the way to go. If it doesn't work, you still have 3 more chances to get in.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:15:43 PM   
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They were also not ready to play.

I'll put that on all of the team. Coaches included.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:16:39 PM   
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Could the missed PAT be a blessing in disguise? Need a TD now. No way that kid would make a game-tying FG.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:18:15 PM   
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and the line chokes the rest of this one off.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:18:55 PM   
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3 man rush and they let him walk right in
Smith did nothing
WTF

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:20:22 PM   
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Catch the freaking ball.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:20:38 PM   
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Is this Epenesa an All American? We sure are making him look like one. Now got to get 21 Yards with a backup QB.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:21:04 PM   
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9-1

The dream season is NOT over you dolt

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:21:29 PM   
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Catch the freaking ball.



3 huge drops today. 2 by Bateman

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:22:07 PM   
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Morgan had no clue how to run the offense in high pressure situations.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:22:40 PM   
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Now they have to win out

IDK if they can beat Wisconsin if they play like this.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:23:20 PM   
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Morgan had no clue how to run the offense in high pressure situations.



He didn't have much help from the sidelines

Too indecisive.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:26:16 PM   
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Morgan had no clue how to run the offense in high pressure situations.



He didn't have much help from the sidelines

Too indecisive.

Crowd noise probably more of a factor than it appeared. They should have been prepared for that and had default plays set up to go if communication is too difficult.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:27:37 PM   
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quote:

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Morgan had no clue how to run the offense in high pressure situations.



He didn't have much help from the sidelines

Too indecisive.

Crowd noise probably more of a factor than it appeared. They should have been prepared for that and had default plays set up to go if communication is too difficult.



Eh
I'll say the crowd noise wasn't

but not being prepared

definitely

They pissed that away

A Vikings-like start to give up 20 in the first half

Nicely done

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:30:59 PM   
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Wow, too many bad decisions in this one to call them all out, but I complained early in the year about the early use of TO's and that really cost us today in both halves. PJ needs to learn to make those decisions in real time and save the TO's for when they matter.

Need a K.

On D we looked good when bringing pressure. Bad when not. Overall, played well after letting them score TD's on their first 3 possessions.

This should put to bed the ridiculous talk of CFP. Rose Bowl still in reach.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:36:52 PM   
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Wow, too many bad decisions in this one to call them all out, but I complained early in the year about the early use of TO's and that really cost us today in both halves. PJ needs to learn to make those decisions in real time and save the TO's for when they matter.

Need a K.

On D we looked good when bringing pressure. Bad when not. Overall, played well after letting them score TD's on their first 3 possessions.

This should put to bed the ridiculous talk of CFP. Rose Bowl still in reach.



Agreed with all of this

Still in reach, but Wisconsin will thump them if they're this flat.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:37:11 PM   
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I feel like the better team lost. And we actually outplayed them in some ways. Even with no kicking game. It was the big drops that killed us. I woulda used Brooks more. Rodney Smith was a non-factor.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 6:53:08 PM   
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Damn, it's my fault. I praised Johnson and said his drops were behind him. Trying that 50 yard FG, instead of punting and that drop were real killers. Fleck got out coached too. All around it was a very winnable game.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 7:49:35 PM   
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You want to win you have to do more than just show up. This team looked unprepared and uninterested.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 8:56:45 PM   
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I was at Kinnick today. Great atmosphere, fun hanging out with a ton of Gopher fans, but a tough result. A few takeaways:

(1) Gotta respectfully disagree with the view they were unprepared or uninterested. They played hard and never gave up. The big key was that they had a bad defensive game plan to start. Very conservative, no pass rush in the first half, and you let Stanley get unbelievably comfortable. The second-half, aggressive game plan should have been the first half plan. Too bad. Hopefully Rossi learns something.

(2) The key individual play in the game was Johnson’s drop. That play makes it 20-20 and I think the Gophers win at that point. But I also can’t look past some of the unbelievable catches Tyler made elsewhere in the game. That’s who he is, for better or worse, and you have to take the good with the bad.

(3) I sincerely thought they’d drive down and score at the end. Tanner was unbelievable. Let’s hope he’s okay next week.

(4) The big-picture key to the game was red-zone offense. Iowa converted; we didn’t. The margin of error is so small in these games. We had 5-6 drives into the red zone and scored 19 points. That’s not enough, and it was the game.

(5) Fleck’s jaunt onto the field was dumb but ultimately cost us nothing. Iowa would have had the ball anyway, and they punted soon after. Focusing on it seems misguided.

(6) The lack of a kicker is huge. It cost us tonight: I think we win that game with Emmitt Carpenter at K (last year’s kicker). Let’s hope it doesn’t again. The big recruiting miss was Fleck’s predecessor giving a scholarship to Grant Ryerse. He didn’t pan out, and now the program is behind the 8-ball with freshmen thrust into big moments.

(7) Time management and timeout management continue to haunt P.J. I’m okay with his strategy of using timeouts during the first half or at key moments, but sometimes it seems like it’s based more on unpreparedness or indecisiveness than on intentional game management. If the OC isn’t getting the play in time, fix it. Has to get better.

(8) On Twitter, I’m seeing an awful lot of overreactions: “Never trust P.J. again,” “typical Gophers football,” “the season is done,” “they’re completely overrated.” Come on — that’s ridiculous. They lost to a top 20-25 team on the road in a stadium that’s been a nightmare for top-10/top-15 programs over the last decade, including some programs way more accomplished than us. And they substantially out-gained Iowa to boot. I was too overconfident going into this one (you were right, SMF), but watching the game was eye-opening. We’re a better team, but sometimes better teams don’t win when based on a few huge plays, especially at home. (For example, I think PSU beats Minn more often than not on a neutral field.) Beat Northwestern, beat Wisconsin for the B1G West, then take your chances against OSU and get to the Rose Bowl at a minimum. A lot to play for, and a lot to be proud of these student-athletes for.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 10:16:32 PM   
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I was at Kinnick today. Great atmosphere, fun hanging out with a ton of Gopher fans, but a tough result. A few takeaways:

(1) Gotta respectfully disagree with the view they were unprepared or uninterested. They played hard and never gave up. The big key was that they had a bad defensive game plan to start. Very conservative, no pass rush in the first half, and you let Stanley get unbelievably comfortable. The second-half, aggressive game plan should have been the first half plan. Too bad. Hopefully Rossi learns something.

(2) The key individual play in the game was Johnson’s drop. That play makes it 20-20 and I think the Gophers win at that point. But I also can’t look past some of the unbelievable catches Tyler made elsewhere in the game. That’s who he is, for better or worse, and you have to take the good with the bad.

(3) I sincerely thought they’d drive down and score at the end. Tanner was unbelievable. Let’s hope he’s okay next week.

(4) The big-picture key to the game was red-zone offense. Iowa converted; we didn’t. The margin of error is so small in these games. We had 5-6 drives into the red zone and scored 19 points. That’s not enough, and it was the game.

(5) Fleck’s jaunt onto the field was dumb but ultimately cost us nothing. Iowa would have had the ball anyway, and they punted soon after. Focusing on it seems misguided.

(6) The lack of a kicker is huge. It cost us tonight: I think we win that game with Emmitt Carpenter at K (last year’s kicker). Let’s hope it doesn’t again. The big recruiting miss was Fleck’s predecessor giving a scholarship to Grant Ryerse. He didn’t pan out, and now the program is behind the 8-ball with freshmen thrust into big moments.

(7) Time management and timeout management continue to haunt P.J. I’m okay with his strategy of using timeouts during the first half or at key moments, but sometimes it seems like it’s based more on unpreparedness or indecisiveness than on intentional game management. If the OC isn’t getting the play in time, fix it. Has to get better.

(8) On Twitter, I’m seeing an awful lot of overreactions: “Never trust P.J. again,” “typical Gophers football,” “the season is done,” “they’re completely overrated.” Come on — that’s ridiculous. They lost to a top 20-25 team on the road in a stadium that’s been a nightmare for top-10/top-15 programs over the last decade, including some programs way more accomplished than us. And they substantially out-gained Iowa to boot. I was too overconfident going into this one (you were right, SMF), but watching the game was eye-opening. We’re a better team, but sometimes better teams don’t win when based on a few huge plays, especially at home. (For example, I think PSU beats Minn more often than not on a neutral field.) Beat Northwestern, beat Wisconsin for the B1G West, then take your chances against OSU and get to the Rose Bowl at a minimum. A lot to play for, and a lot to be proud of these student-athletes for.

A lot of good points Pete.

My ongoing beef with PJ is your #7. Hasn't really cost him much until today, but I knew it would eventually. Definitely did today. We need to be quicker about getting plays in and getting the snap off on time. We also need to make the decision to go or not before needing a TO. The majority of TO's should be saved for the end of the half or game to stop the clock when it really matters.

Also strongly agree on items 1, 4, 6, and 8. Slightly less on 2, 3, 5.

Would also argue about game decisions on kicking FG's or going for it at different times. PJ always zigged, when I would've zagged. He didn't maximize our potential today, but I still believe he'll be a great coach.

I still feel good about our Rose Bowl prospects.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 10:21:33 PM   
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Pete, RE: 2 and 5.


2. He's been amazing at times, and not to beat the dead horse, but we've mentioned it in the past. He drops some really easy balls. It's ok when they aren't that important. I agree, that was the game if he just makes a routine catch.

5. I don't agree. If Fleck doesn't go on to the field it's first and goal and we get points. Yeah, they didn't, but it cost us.

Another point I forgot to mention earlier. His K was a wreck, I get it. But you have to get 3, in a tight game, when you are in side the 20. It's a gimmee situation regardless of how your guy is doing. You can't go for a 4th and long in that situation. It was a short sided decision at that point in the game IMO.


I hope we learn because 10-0 was there for the taking.
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RE: Gopher Football - 11/16/2019 10:54:42 PM   
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Pete, RE: 2 and 5.


2. He's been amazing at times, and not to beat the dead horse, but we've mentioned it in the past. He drops some really easy balls. It's ok when they aren't that important. I agree, that was the game if he just makes a routine catch.

5. I don't agree. If Fleck doesn't go on to the field it's first and goal and we get points. Yeah, they didn't, but it cost us.

Another point I forgot to mention earlier. His K was a wreck, I get it. But you have to get 3, in a tight game, when you are in side the 20. It's a gimmee situation regardless of how your guy is doing. You can't go for a 4th and long in that situation. It was a short sided decision at that point in the game IMO.


I hope we learn because 10-0 was there for the taking.

On #5, according to Fox referee guru, it was going to be Iowa ball regardless. PJ cost us 15 yards, not possession.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/17/2019 2:44:58 AM   
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The team showed a lot of heart trying to come back.

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RE: Gopher Football - 11/17/2019 7:22:35 AM   
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Pete with some solid points about the game.

Morgan should be able to call his own plays late in the game if we're behind. Had Johnson been able to power his way into the EZ it would have saved 60-90 seconds of clock time. Morgan staring over at the sidelines while precious seconds tick away was brutal to watch.

Then Fleck panicked and did an onside kick.

We kind of got jobbed on that 3rd down play on IA's last possession. Guy was clearly ran OOB's and the ref kept the clock moving forcing us to use our last TO.

Clearly we need to practice a 2 minute offense.

Our K stinks.

The kids fought back though in the second half. All in all we beat ourselves this game.

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