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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

The Salary Cap didn't come into existence until 1994 - the last time they went to a Super Bowl.
 
That was my point, I believe they abused it something terrible and got caught and had to give up a 4th rounder about 4 years later. I am just saying that When the sister got the team and the brother-in law was in charge, stuff went down hill.

You got me though, too broad a brush with the cap crack. I am just sure he found other ways to cheat in the 80's that we don't know about.

Eddie D was a great owner who treated EVERYONE in the organization like they were his family. You won't find one former player, coach, employee... ticket taker... that didn't love Eddie D. People played hard for him. People worked hard for him. People came to SF to be part of his team. He treated everyone with respect and dignity and was a real guy... not a disconnected elitist like many owners in the NFL are. I've met him several times in different settings. Maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed. Just a real genuine nice guy that has a gift for bringing people together. It's no coincidence that the 49ers have fallen since his witch sister and her cocky POS husband took over.

There's more than one reason Linehan chose Detroit over SF and it's not the weather, city or lifestyle.

I'm not a 49er fan, never was, but I lived amongst them for 15 years in SF and knew the team well.

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

I remember him saying that he didn't want to come to GB ...

Frankly, I consider him a whiny little crybaby. 

Ah. It becomes clear why you have such negative feelings about him. It's tough to realize that not everyone dreams of playing for your favorite team.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

I remember him saying that he didn't want to come to GB ...

Frankly, I consider him a whiny little crybaby. 

Ah. It becomes clear why you have such negative feelings about him. It's tough to realize that not everyone dreams of playing for your favorite team.

It's the same thing feeling I have for Eli Manning.  He cried and cried about not wanting to play in SD and wanted to go to NY.  He hadn't proven a damn thing and he was demanding where he "should" play.  Has nothing to do with the teams involved.  It's this sense of entitlement some of these college kids have that they can pick and choose where they should go.

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

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ORIGINAL: Art

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ORIGINAL: Tim Cady

The Salary Cap didn't come into existence until 1994 - the last time they went to a Super Bowl.
 
That was my point, I believe they abused it something terrible and got caught and had to give up a 4th rounder about 4 years later. I am just saying that When the sister got the team and the brother-in law was in charge, stuff went down hill.

You got me though, too broad a brush with the cap crack. I am just sure he found other ways to cheat in the 80's that we don't know about.

Eddie D was a great owner who treated EVERYONE in the organization like they were his family. You won't find one former player, coach, employee... ticket taker... that didn't love Eddie D. People played hard for him. People worked hard for him. People came to SF to be part of his team. He treated everyone with respect and dignity and was a real guy... not a disconnected elitist like many owners in the NFL are. I've met him several times in different settings. Maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed. Just a real genuine nice guy that has a gift for bringing people together. It's no coincidence that the 49ers have fallen since his witch sister and her cocky POS husband took over.

There's more than one reason Linehan chose Detroit over SF and it's not the weather, city or lifestyle.

I'm not a 49er fan, never was, but I lived amongst them for 15 years in SF and knew the team well.

OK you got me Art! I was talking out my butt. Pure jealousy I tell you. We agree that once he was gone they were doomed. I was taking a bigger shot at the sister. I just remember when they did get caught for the cap thing it was a minor penalty and I by then had purple in my veins and felt like we would have been punished more.

We also agree that he treated everyone like family..start the Godfather music...no just kidding. Actually what you don't know is I was a SF Fan growing up my dad liked John Brody all my buddies rooted for the Rams. I lived in Vancouver, Wa until I was 14. I rooted for the Rams to get beat in the playoffs...thanks Vikings. My allegience split in 1976 when the Seattle got the Seahawks. I moved to ND in 1977, but refused to give up my allegience to the 9ers or Hacks. I loved Montana at Notre Dame, was thrilled with the SB victories. My Aunt lived in SF and gave me all the inside scoop. She loved Eddie as well. I became a viking fan in 1985 when I lost a bet to my new Minnesota bride. I bet her a year of purple allegience if Bud Grant could beat my Super Bowl Champs the first week of the season. Score Vikings 28-27. Now she doesn't even watch the games and I am addicted to a team that has a couple of seasons of the missing rings to show for it.

I used to get too emotional, I am better, but if things go poorly she goes, I don't think I am bringing them luck, I will leave you alone.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

I remember him saying that he didn't want to come to GB ...

Frankly, I consider him a whiny little crybaby. 

Ah. It becomes clear why you have such negative feelings about him. It's tough to realize that not everyone dreams of playing for your favorite team.

It's the same thing feeling I have for Eli Manning.  He cried and cried about not wanting to play in SD and wanted to go to NY.  He hadn't proven a damn thing and he was demanding where he "should" play.  Has nothing to do with the teams involved.  It's this sense of entitlement some of these college kids have that they can pick and choose where they should go.

Did you feel the same way about John Elway?

I've had this coversation before on here. 

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

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ORIGINAL: Cheesehead Craig

I remember him saying that he didn't want to come to GB ...

Frankly, I consider him a whiny little crybaby. 

Ah. It becomes clear why you have such negative feelings about him. It's tough to realize that not everyone dreams of playing for your favorite team.

It's the same thing feeling I have for Eli Manning.  He cried and cried about not wanting to play in SD and wanted to go to NY.  He hadn't proven a damn thing and he was demanding where he "should" play.  Has nothing to do with the teams involved.  It's this sense of entitlement some of these college kids have that they can pick and choose where they should go.

Did you feel the same way about John Elway?

I've had this coversation before on here. 
 
I wasn't paying much attention to the NFL (other than watching the Packers) when he came out of college.  So at the time, I didn't really know anything about it.  I then saw some of his games and became a big fan of his.  Then I found out about what all happened after some time.  The problem was I already had a very positive impression of the guy. 
 
So no, I didn't feel that way.

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In his first public comments since being fired as coach of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers on Jan. 16, Jon Gruden said Wednesday he was rebounding from his shocking dismissal and was in good enough spirits to say "that Chucky will be back and hopefully my teeth will be as sharp as ever."
Gruden said he had no doubt he would coach again whether "it's the NFL, college, high school or, maybe, I'll just be the best damn flag football coach in the history of Florida. I'm now head of the FFCA -- Fired Florida Coaches Association."
Gruden had not spoken publicly since he was fired and replaced by defensive coordinator Raheem Morris. Former players have had mixed reactions, including recent biting criticism by Michael Clayton, Jeff Garcia and Simeon Rice.
"I'm not the first coach to take potshots. Hey, some people were taking potshots at Tony Dungy when I got here," said Gruden. "Jeff Garcia, Michael Clayton, I wish those guys the best. I hope Raheem gets this thing going again."
Gruden conceded he was surprised when he was fired, almost three weeks after a season-ending loss to the Oakland Raiders that cost the Bucs a possible playoff spot.
"It was rough the way it ended, losing three or four games," said Gruden. "This was the first time in my life being on the front line of the firing squad after 11 years. I've just taken a couple days to unwind with my family. A lot of people have called called, being very supportive. Some people have taken shots and I understand that not everyone likes or agrees with what I do as a coach."
Gruden said he was "basically proud" of what he accompished in Tampa.
"We won a Super Bowl," he said. "I got a game ball for winning more games than any Bucs coach in history. I got a game ball for my 100th win [including playoff wins]. There are only six teams [actually seven] in the NFL that had back-to-back winning seasons the past two years and the Bucs were one of them. Again, it was tough the way it ended but we did some good things and I know some people who think we overachieved."
He added: "The reality is we came in with a bad salary cap situation and we left with some $50 million under the cap, so it's not like we went out and spent a lot of money on players."
Gruden said despite the perception he could not work with young NFL quarterbacks, he has not ruled out any potential opportunities at the collegiate level.
"I really only had one young guy to work with in Chris Simms," said Gruden. "I'd love a shot to coach some young college guys. Look, you know me. I'm an addict. I love to coach."
Gruden also suggested he was looking at some immediate job opportunites but necessarily with pro or college football. He did not rule out some broadcasting jobs, "especially if I actually get to talk about football. Whatever I do, I'm going to show respect for the game. I'm going to use proper etiquette. Whatever I choose to do, I expect people to be demanding. Anything less would be unacceptable."
 
 
I'd take ya in a heartbeat, Chucky.
Huge upgrade over our current choice.

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I hate that too.  I love the fact that Steve Francis isn't shit anymore.  He pulled the same stunt. 

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ORIGINAL: Easy E

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I hate that too.  I love the fact that Steve Francis isn't shit anymore.  He pulled the same stunt. 

I don't know why, but it doesn't bother me that much. They've got these guys locked in to salaries, teams purposely lose to try to move up in the draft, and then they just expect that a human being must work for them according to the arbitrary rules they set up? It's almost like they're slaves being bought and sold. Why should you have to accept a situation just because "the man" says you do? Holding out is another thing, but being vocal about not wanting to play for a team and trying to get them to trade you? I don't really have a problem with it, especially when teams do it in reverse at the drop of a hat.

Honestly, it didn't bother me at all when Elway did it, and that probably made me not care as much about Eli doing it.

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It would be great to see an owner actually stand up and say "you don't want to play for me?  Fine.  Good luck in Canada". 

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ORIGINAL: Easy E

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It would be great to see an owner actually stand up and say "you don't want to play for me?  Fine.  Good luck in Canada". 

Trust me, I get this side of it. But is it just professional athletes that have to go through this for a career? What if that were everyday guys like you and me? Get out of college with a med degree, and one hospital that was the shittiest hospital gets to say "You're working for me"... but I don't want to work for you, you suck. "Too bad, get to work"... I'm not going to... "Fine, then you don't get to work period"... I want to work for a good hospital.. "Nope, us hospitals make the rules, you'll work where we tell you"

I don't know, I think players exercising the right to threaten a holdout isn't the worst thing in the world. I don't know that I want to see owners get even more power..