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RE: NFL News - 1/24/2009 6:27:03 PM   
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I think KC actually offers Shanahan a great job.  They have amazing fans there, some of the best in the NFL, and they do have some talent, including Thigpen.  

Plus he'd get to face owners that he has to hate at this point 4 times a year.  He could easily get 4 guaranteed wins/year against those 2 teams.


Huh?
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RE: NFL News - 1/24/2009 6:32:31 PM   
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Denver/Oakland.  Twice each.

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RE: NFL News - 1/24/2009 6:44:46 PM   
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Denver/Oakland.  Twice each.


I guess my question would be, why not a guaranteed 19 wins a year?
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RE: NFL News - 1/24/2009 7:33:43 PM   
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I think KC actually offers Shanahan a great job.  They have amazing fans there, some of the best in the NFL, and they do have some talent, including Thigpen.  

Plus he'd get to face owners that he has to hate at this point 4 times a year.  He could easily get 4 guaranteed wins/year against those 2 teams.


When SB winning coaches think of franchise QBs, Thigpen doesn't come to mind.

That is not a very talented team and no big name HC is going to get excited over that QB.

Plus, who the hell would want to live in KC

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RE: NFL News - 1/24/2009 7:56:00 PM   
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Shanahan and Jerry Jones could not co-exist, just like Parcells & JJ couldn't.


I agree, although all the talking heads say they are buddies. But somehow I think the friendship was one of craftiness by shanny.

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RE: NFL News - 1/26/2009 8:56:22 AM   
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How does Linehan choose the Lions over the 49ers? The 49ers made the offer first and he says he's not ready to make a decision. A couple of days later he accepts the OC position for the Lions?


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SAN FRANCISCO -- Scott Linehan declined the 49ers' offer to become their offensive coordinator Sunday, saying he wasn't ready to commit to his next coaching move.

Linehan, a respected offensive coordinator for the Miami Dolphins and Minnesota Vikings, was fired four games into his third season as the St. Louis Rams' head coach last September. He still wants to return to coaching this year, but he said he doesn't want to rush his choice.


"They were great to me from the top down, from ownership to the front office to (49ers coach) Mike (Singletary)," Linehan told The Associated Press in a phone interview from his home in St. Louis. "It's just timing right now. I'm just not ready to make a decision."

Linehan was offered the 49ers' job Thursday after his second interview with Singletary and general manager Scot McCloughan, who are looking for the seventh offensive coordinator in the last seven seasons for a franchise that redefined offensive football under Bill Walsh in the 1980s.

Linehan asked for a couple of days to deliberate with his family, but he still didn't feel ready to commit to San Francisco.

"They did not give me a timeline or pressure me or anything," Linehan said. "The franchise and the history and the direction were just unbelievable. I just wouldn't want to leave Mike or Scot or anybody hanging and drag this thing out."

Linehan emerged last week as the favorite in a field of four finalists that included Cleveland Browns offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski, Denver Broncos offensive coordinator Rick Dennison and Indianapolis Colts receivers coach Clyde Christensen. But Linehan is out, and Dennison was retained on the staff of new Broncos head coach Josh McDaniels last week.

Linehan's decision is a setback for Singletary, who said he hoped to have a new coordinator hired "yesterday" when he discussed offensive coordinator Mike Martz's firing Dec. 31.

"I believe and have faith in the process we have set forth in our search for an offensive coordinator," Singletary said in a statement released by the team. "While we'd like to fill this position sooner rather than later, we will remain patient in our approach. The right person for the 49ers is out there."

Singletary went 5-4 after taking over for Mike Nolan during the season, and the 49ers removed the interim designation from his title about 15 minutes after San Francisco beat the Washington Redskins in the season finale to complete its sixth consecutive losing season. Singletary then fired Martz two days later, saying the coordinator's inventive passing schemes clashed with his desire for a run-based attack.

But Singletary's two remaining candidates both have roots in pass-based offenses. Chudzinski became a hot coaching prospect last season when Derek Anderson's passing led Cleveland to a 10-6 record with 402 points, and Christensen has been a key part of the Indianapolis offenses built around Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison.

Linehan seemed to be an ideal fit for the 49ers, and not just for his history of building effective running games. He spent three seasons in Minnesota tutoring quarterback Shaun Hill, who led San Francisco's resurgence under Singletary, and Linehan also has coached with John L. Smith, the uncle of 49ers quarterback Alex Smith.

Linehan, who said he has been contacted by other teams about possible jobs, expects to attend the Senior Bowl in Mobile, Ala., next week along with nearly every team's coaching staff -- including Singletary and the 49ers' assistants.

"I'm going to have to move some time," Linehan said. "I've got to find a spot here sooner or later. I'm trying to figure out what's the best situation for the Linehans."

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press



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RE: NFL News - 1/26/2009 9:51:18 AM   
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Perhaps he likes the Lions talent level better at the skill positions

One team has Calvin Johnson and the other has grandpa Isaac Bruce leading them in receptions.

JT O'Sullivan doesn't belong in the NFL and Shaun Hill is no Joe Montana either.

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RE: NFL News - 1/26/2009 10:26:29 AM   
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True. I just think of one as a joke franchise and one as a classic NFL franchise. But he has to consider what is going on right now - not historically.

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RE: NFL News - 1/26/2009 10:51:40 AM   
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the 49ers are working on 6 straight losing seasons of their own!

They have not had a winning season since Garcia and Owens left.

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RE: NFL News - 1/26/2009 5:39:10 PM   
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I also think that in SF, you have the Vernon Davis issue going on.  The guy is a head case and a major bust.  It might be that he just wants to avoid that.  Plus as JC said, SF ain't what she used to be at all.
 
Detroit is cleaning house, has some decent weapons in CJ and Furrey.  Maybe he just wants to go against MN twice a year?
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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 12:12:26 AM   
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Perhaps he likes the Lions talent level better at the skill positions

One team has Calvin Johnson and the other has grandpa Isaac Bruce leading them in receptions.

JT O'Sullivan doesn't belong in the NFL and Shaun Hill is no Joe Montana either.


Exactly right.  I like Stanton and Smith as well.  They have some weapons there, not to mention the fact that they have 2 1st rd picks this year to help even more.  They do have some building blocks, at least on offense.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 3:06:07 AM   
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/superbowl/features/mvps#/jimplunkett/video/

If you get some time, check out this video on one of my favorite people, Jim Plunkett.
Always found his story extremely uplifting when I was growing up.
A special person to this day. Deserved every good thing that happened in his life (eventually).
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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 7:15:57 AM   
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We tend to think of SF as in the "Yankee" class of teams but it has been 15 years since their last Super Bowl!

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 10:32:33 AM   
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I also think that in SF, you have the Vernon Davis issue going on.  The guy is a head case and a major bust.  It might be that he just wants to avoid that.  Plus as JC said, SF ain't what she used to be at all.
 
Detroit is cleaning house, has some decent weapons in CJ and Furrey.  Maybe he just wants to go against MN twice a year?


Vernon Davis only became a head case after Mike Martz got there. We all know that Mike Martz treats tight ends like the ingredients you can leave out of your stew. I think he is far from a bust, I believe he has a high ceiling in the right system. He would have great in Green Bay or ny Giants.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 10:34:22 AM   
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We tend to think of SF as in the "Yankee" class of teams but it has been 15 years since their last Super Bowl!


That family fued killed that franchise. Eddie B. and his ability to circumvent the cap for years is what made them special.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 12:14:22 PM   
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We tend to think of SF as in the "Yankee" class of teams but it has been 15 years since their last Super Bowl!


That family fued killed that franchise. Eddie B. and his ability to circumvent the cap for years is what made them special.


I don't know about that.

The Salary Cap didn't come into existence until 1994 - the last time they went to a Super Bowl.

The 89 and 84 teams were two of the best teams of all time and that was on the Walsh, Seifert, and Policy's football knowledge and ability.

The 89 team won its 3 playoff games 41-13, 30-0, and 55-10.

That was a dominant team.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 12:23:38 PM   
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I also think that in SF, you have the Vernon Davis issue going on.  The guy is a head case and a major bust.  It might be that he just wants to avoid that.  Plus as JC said, SF ain't what she used to be at all.
 
Detroit is cleaning house, has some decent weapons in CJ and Furrey.  Maybe he just wants to go against MN twice a year?


Why?

He would have the daunting task of beating our defense.  It's not like he left the Vikings on a bad note.  He was offered another job that he liked better...we didn't fire him. 

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 12:50:29 PM   
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I wouldn't call that task so daunting unless you run an offense without the benefit of the forward pass

IOW, only our offense would consider our defense daunting.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 1:07:09 PM   
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The Salary Cap didn't come into existence until 1994 - the last time they went to a Super Bowl.
 
That was my point, I believe they abused it something terrible and got caught and had to give up a 4th rounder about 4 years later. I am just saying that When the sister got the team and the brother-in law was in charge, stuff went down hill.

You got me though, too broad a brush with the cap crack. I am just sure he found other ways to cheat in the 80's that we don't know about.




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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 1:24:04 PM   
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Other than Bill Belicheck, most of the time when owners violate the spirit of things it seems to backfire.  Look at Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones (post JJ).  The Yankees crazy spending hasn't helped lately either.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 1:48:33 PM   
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I also think that in SF, you have the Vernon Davis issue going on.  The guy is a head case and a major bust.  It might be that he just wants to avoid that.  Plus as JC said, SF ain't what she used to be at all.
 
Detroit is cleaning house, has some decent weapons in CJ and Furrey.  Maybe he just wants to go against MN twice a year?


Vernon Davis only became a head case after Mike Martz got there. We all know that Mike Martz treats tight ends like the ingredients you can leave out of your stew. I think he is far from a bust, I believe he has a high ceiling in the right system. He would have great in Green Bay or ny Giants.

VD has million dollar talent but a 5 cent head.  He hasn't come close to performing where he was drafted.  He was a prima donna from the get-go.  I remember him saying that he didn't want to come to GB because he wanted to win and thought SF was the better choice.  That choice didn't work out so good for him.
 
Davis was supposed to be a game changer and hasn't delivered.  He certainly has the ability physically to be dominant, I highly question his attitude to do so. His performance in 3 years has shown no signs of him being a dominant TE.  He's about average and for the 1.6 pick, that's a bust.
 
Frankly, I consider him a whiny little crybaby.  He's an athlete, not a football player.
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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 1:49:31 PM   
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The Salary Cap didn't come into existence until 1994 - the last time they went to a Super Bowl.
 
That was my point, I believe they abused it something terrible and got caught and had to give up a 4th rounder about 4 years later. I am just saying that When the sister got the team and the brother-in law was in charge, stuff went down hill.

You got me though, too broad a brush with the cap crack. I am just sure he found other ways to cheat in the 80's that we don't know about.



Eddie D was a great owner who treated EVERYONE in the organization like they were his family. You won't find one former player, coach, employee... ticket taker... that didn't love Eddie D. People played hard for him. People worked hard for him. People came to SF to be part of his team. He treated everyone with respect and dignity and was a real guy... not a disconnected elitist like many owners in the NFL are. I've met him several times in different settings. Maybe not the sharpest tool in the shed. Just a real genuine nice guy that has a gift for bringing people together. It's no coincidence that the 49ers have fallen since his witch sister and her cocky POS husband took over.

There's more than one reason Linehan chose Detroit over SF and it's not the weather, city or lifestyle.

I'm not a 49er fan, never was, but I lived amongst them for 15 years in SF and knew the team well.

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 1:50:15 PM   
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I also think that in SF, you have the Vernon Davis issue going on.  The guy is a head case and a major bust.  It might be that he just wants to avoid that.  Plus as JC said, SF ain't what she used to be at all.
 
Detroit is cleaning house, has some decent weapons in CJ and Furrey.  Maybe he just wants to go against MN twice a year?


Why?

He would have the daunting task of beating our defense.  It's not like he left the Vikings on a bad note.  He was offered another job that he liked better...we didn't fire him. 

Dola,
Not that I think he has any axe to grind at all.  Just the thought of going up against an organization you were once part of could have some allure to it.  I think he went there because there is a lot more upside there than SF.
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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 2:16:20 PM   
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A bare farewell for Kendra Dan Gross: In case any of Eagles receiver Hank Baskett's teammates haven't yet seen his fiancee naked, they have another chance. Kendra Wilkinson is on the cover of the February Playboy and in a layout called "Good Bye Girls."

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RE: NFL News - 1/27/2009 2:35:50 PM   
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  I remember him saying that he didn't want to come to GB ...

Frankly, I consider him a whiny little crybaby. 


Ah. It becomes clear why you have such negative feelings about him. It's tough to realize that not everyone dreams of playing for your favorite team.

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