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RE: The Packers - 11/18/2011 8:45:14 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

One thing that you out of staters don't have is the extra pounding that local fans take because our news organizations cover the Packers so thoroughly. Recognizing that a) so many people move from Wisconsin to the Twin Cities and b) the local airwaves carry over into Wisconsin - they cater pretty heavily to that market. By the time a Viking/Packer game is over we've been subjected to a full week of lead-up with tons of Packer slathering by the locals. Our sports radio station carries a regular "Packer Preview" show every single Sunday during football season, and the newspapers devote a full page of Packer news in the sports section.

I stand by my assessment that many of us (and I've talked to a ton of local Vikings fans) feel an overkill of coverage and are resentful of the piling on.


How about the way Pail Allen whores himself out to the Park Tavern in St Louis Park, which is a Packer haunt. Park Tavern advertises on KFAN to get Packer scum "the green and gold" in for the games. Paul Allen frequently does his show from there.
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RE: The Packers - 11/18/2011 8:49:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Just to put things in context - I have said many times that I used to post on a Packer board. Ed will verify for me that had a Viking fan gone in after ANY game and posted a recap of a Viking game - we would have been hunted down and strangled by that crowd. And of course I never did, nor did I post smack there. I eventually left because that crowd starting making personal attacks on me and a couple of other fans from visiting teams.

I had enough respect and courtesy for people there during my time that I knew that the last thing they would have wanted was a kick in the groin following a loss, and that means whether the loss was against the Vikings or anyone. You don't confront a group of people who are unhappy with their own team and crow about your own. It's just common courtesy.

The last time I asked, Craig posted his game review anyway. This time he chose not to. I appreciate that and I told him that right away. I think a couple of you over reacted.


My question is, why even have a Packers thread then? Of course even before that I would ask, why is there a Packers thread at all?
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RE: The Packers - 11/18/2011 10:17:42 PM   
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The powers that be created a thread for each of the other three NFC North teams.
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RE: The Packers - 11/19/2011 3:56:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

Just to put things in context - I have said many times that I used to post on a Packer board. Ed will verify for me that had a Viking fan gone in after ANY game and posted a recap of a Viking game - we would have been hunted down and strangled by that crowd. And of course I never did, nor did I post smack there. I eventually left because that crowd starting making personal attacks on me and a couple of other fans from visiting teams.

I had enough respect and courtesy for people there during my time that I knew that the last thing they would have wanted was a kick in the groin following a loss, and that means whether the loss was against the Vikings or anyone. You don't confront a group of people who are unhappy with their own team and crow about your own. It's just common courtesy.

The last time I asked, Craig posted his game review anyway. This time he chose not to. I appreciate that and I told him that right away. I think a couple of you over reacted.


My question is, why even have a Packers thread then? Of course even before that I would ask, why is there a Packers thread at all?



Yeah, that.

And why thefuck would a Viking fan post on or read a Packer forum and admit it?
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RE: The Packers - 11/19/2011 7:16:42 AM   
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Why thefuck and not why the fukc?

And overly agressive posts in the college thread out of the blue?


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RE: The Packers - 11/19/2011 8:40:56 AM   
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overly aggressive?

from the guy who was gonna come to my house and beat me down in front of my wife?

LOL

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RE: The Packers - 11/19/2011 10:00:20 AM   
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Why thefuck and not why the fukc?

And overly agressive posts in the college thread out of the blue?






No, not out of the blue. Just took my time in responding.
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RE: The Packers - 11/19/2011 2:23:22 PM   
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Marty, why are you not a multi-millionaire?



How do you know he isn't?


Because he lives in Wisconsin...
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RE: The Packers - 11/19/2011 3:18:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: thebigo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

One thing that you out of staters don't have is the extra pounding that local fans take because our news organizations cover the Packers so thoroughly. Recognizing that a) so many people move from Wisconsin to the Twin Cities and b) the local airwaves carry over into Wisconsin - they cater pretty heavily to that market. By the time a Viking/Packer game is over we've been subjected to a full week of lead-up with tons of Packer slathering by the locals. Our sports radio station carries a regular "Packer Preview" show every single Sunday during football season, and the newspapers devote a full page of Packer news in the sports section.

I stand by my assessment that many of us (and I've talked to a ton of local Vikings fans) feel an overkill of coverage and are resentful of the piling on.


How about the way Pail Allen whores himself out to the Park Tavern in St Louis Park, which is a Packer haunt. Park Tavern advertises on KFAN to get Packer scum "the green and gold" in for the games. Paul Allen frequently does his show from there.

I'll be at the PT watching the Packers this Sunday.  Feel free to stop by and say hi.  I'll be the guy in the Rodgers jersey.
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RE: The Packers - 11/20/2011 4:26:40 PM   
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Packer defense looking very beatable again today.  They looked good against the Vikes...but that was the Vikes.  A very average TB offense with over 400 yards against the Pack.  If I'm a Pack fan, come plyoff ime, this defense will get them beat!

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RE: The Packers - 11/20/2011 8:17:57 PM   
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There are plenty of millionares in the state of Wisconsin. If I am, or were a millionare, I would see no reason to disclose that here.

Danimal

If they NEVER 'swayed' games, I think it might be fairly easy to make money off of NFL games, if you had a good bankroll.

And the same would be true if the ALWAYS 'swayed' games. The trick is, they only do it SOMETIMES, so it's kept random. You can take a chance betting a weak team at home, but if the refs aren't 'swaying' it, you're probably in trouble.

It would take a good gambler to hit 75%, and even then, you won't make all that much as you pay juice on the other 25%. Also, you're ego can get in the way, and you might end up betting higher amounts of money on bets that aren't all that great. I think you would need to be disciplined and patient, and then pick your spots.

FYI, I did bet $100 on something called a super teaser in 1998, and hit all 14 teams for a 20-1 payout. I flew out to Vegas to collect the $2100.

There I 're-invested' $400 for 9 more chances at $2000. Any one of those 9 teasers and super teaser would have payed another $2000. I was ONE game away on 4 of them, and one PLAY away on one of them. On that one, had the Jaguars stopped Doug Flutie from scoring on a bootleg from 3 yards out at the 3 yard line, I would have won another $2000.

In Vegas, I stayed in a high rollers suite, and watched the Redskins go up 7-0 on the Vikes after Randy Moss fumbled a punt, in a game where, on one of my super teasers I had the Redskins +27 (the regular spread was Redskins +17). Only to have that be the only game I had wrong on that super teaser as the Vikes went on to win by more than 27. I think that might have been the ONLY TD the Redskins scored as the Vikes racked up something like 48 unanswered points, getting points off the defense, and I think even Todd Baumann in cleanup duty.

But I just see betting games as just fun entertainment, not a serious way to make money.
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RE: The Packers - 11/21/2011 9:58:39 AM   
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Packers 35 - Bucs 26

Offense
  • Finley's gotta catch those balls
  • The OL struggled in consistently opening running lanes. Pass blocking was good at times, bad at others.
  • Hopefully Starks isn't hurt too badly, although I think he's not playing on Thurs. Was having a real good game.
  • Why the hell were the Pack throwing the ball after that punt return late in the 4th? Run the ball on 1st and 2nd and take time off the clock. Throw on 3rd if you need to but not on first down, especially that kind of throw. Could have taken 1:30 off the clock right there and pinned Tampa deep with a punt. Stupid play call.
  • Glad that Raji didn't try the Lambeau Leap after his TD.

    Defense
  • Another day of shitty pass rush and shitty coverage.
  • Embarrassing display of tackling on Blount's TD run.
  • Williams gets 2 INTs but got burned on 1 on 1 coverage too often.
  • Good to see Walden get some pressure and DE Neal finally saw some action after being injured all season. Showed some good bull rushes.

    Special Teams
  • Great job by Masthay on the botched punt. Hysterical that he fumbles twice on the same play. It's only funny because he got a first down. That was such a game turner there. Horrible mental mistake to leave someone unblocked though.
  • Cobb with another great return.
  • Kickoff coverage was sub-average.
  • What the hell was with the on-side kicks? Twice they kick it straight up the middle. One would think they would put an extra guy there.

    The Pack looked a little flat in this one. I think they were looking ahead to Thursday at little bit and it almost bit them in the ass. I am still worried that come playoff time that the Pack's defense is going to cost this team. The way Detroit played on Sunday things aren't looking so good on Thursday given our defense. I've said before that I don't think this team will go undefeated and it may do them some good to lose a game just so that talk goes away.
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    RE: The Packers - 11/21/2011 10:00:02 AM   
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    thanks for the recap

    Next two weeks will determine if the Packers can go 16-0

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    RE: The Packers - 11/21/2011 8:16:46 PM   
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    I too, hope the Pack doesn't go 16-0, but not because it might do them some good.

    I think the Pack IS pretty focussed on beating Detroit, and they will probably beat them. Although the Pack hasn't played well defensively, they still have a better defense, and the Pack are getting some pass rushers back in Neal and Walden.

    I think the Bears might have the Pack a run for their money, but not without Cutler. Although I think Haney is quicker than Cutler, and might do well in some games, he is much too raw to pull an upset in Lambau. If the Bears were at home, I think they might have been able to pull the upset with Haney at QB. Give him 10 starts, and he might be a solid QB, too early to tell. He might surprise as the Bears are probably a better team than they were last year.

    The Giants could be the team to beat the Pack, as it was the Giants that ended another teams' shot at a perfect record, in the Super Bowl with New England. It would be a bit ironic. And the game IS at NY, so they have a shot.
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    RE: The Packers - 11/21/2011 8:41:27 PM   
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    Packers 35 - Bucs 26

    Offense
    • Finley's gotta catch those balls
    • The OL struggled in consistently opening running lanes. Pass blocking was good at times, bad at others.
    • Hopefully Starks isn't hurt too badly, although I think he's not playing on Thurs. Was having a real good game.
    • Why the hell were the Pack throwing the ball after that punt return late in the 4th? Run the ball on 1st and 2nd and take time off the clock. Throw on 3rd if you need to but not on first down, especially that kind of throw. Could have taken 1:30 off the clock right there and pinned Tampa deep with a punt. Stupid play call.
    • Glad that Raji didn't try the Lambeau Leap after his TD.

      Defense
    • Another day of shitty pass rush and shitty coverage.
    • Embarrassing display of tackling on Blount's TD run.
    • Williams gets 2 INTs but got burned on 1 on 1 coverage too often.
    • Good to see Walden get some pressure and DE Neal finally saw some action after being injured all season. Showed some good bull rushes.

      Special Teams
    • Great job by Masthay on the botched punt. Hysterical that he fumbles twice on the same play. It's only funny because he got a first down. That was such a game turner there. Horrible mental mistake to leave someone unblocked though.
    • Cobb with another great return.
    • Kickoff coverage was sub-average.
    • What the hell was with the on-side kicks? Twice they kick it straight up the middle. One would think they would put an extra guy there.

      The Pack looked a little flat in this one. I think they were looking ahead to Thursday at little bit and it almost bit them in the ass. I am still worried that come playoff time that the Pack's defense is going to cost this team. The way Detroit played on Sunday things aren't looking so good on Thursday given our defense. I've said before that I don't think this team will go undefeated and it may do them some good to lose a game just so that talk goes away.

    The NERVE!
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    RE: The Packers - 11/24/2011 8:42:34 PM   
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    Packers 27 - Lions 15

    Offense
  • Another week, another very good Rodgers performance.
  • No running game really, but enough was done.  Starks was looking good but I think he knee was bothering him again so he wasn't in after half.
  • Welcome back James Jones.  That game will get you back on the fans good side.
  • Pass protection was real good.  Other than those holding penalties.  But rather that than seeing Rodgers on the turf.

    Defense
  • They give up a ton of yards but simply don't let teams score that much and they get turnovers (3 INTs today)
  • Hell of a pick by Woodson.
  • That running up the middle was embarrassing.
  • Hawk and Bishop were out for the majority of the game and the defense did well.
  • It seems like the Packers are just playing not to get beat deep and willing to give up everything underneath and wait for the other team to make a mistake.  It's infuriating as hell.

    Special Teams
  • Made the FGs, solid punt and kickoff coverage.

    What a chippy, chippy game this was.  Pat Lee gets tossed for punching a guy.  I understand where he was coming from, but a stupid move.  As for Suh, he's a dirty player who deserves the suspension he's going to get.  What a lame-ass excuse afterwards of that he was just trying to stand up.  It's obvious he meant to do exactly what he did which was kick the Packer OL who took his ass down.  But he thinks everyone is stupid to what he did and that there's not a bunch of cameras that show what happened.  But he'll just whine some more after he's suspended and be a little bitch instead of manning up that what he did wasn't right.  The Lions overall where really undisciplined and that's a reflection of their hot-head coach.  Anywho, the Pack go the win and some needed longer rest.
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    RE: The Packers - 11/25/2011 11:17:10 AM   
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    Packers-Lions game was 'swayed' early on, the Lions fell apart after the legitmate penalty on Suh.

    Many people thought going into the game Lions matched up well against the Pack, and might beat them at home. There was more betting on the Lions as the line opened at 6 1/2 and went to 6.

    My next post will explain how the game was 'swayed'. It was a farce just like the Viking-Packer game. Maybe the Pack wins by MORE in each game if the refs weren't messing with it, but we'll never know ? It's also possible the underdogs would have given the Pack a game in each case, and the result could have been quite different. The important thing is that in both games there was pretty good ref bias that kept the Vikings and Lions from establishing any kind of early momentum.
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    RE: The Packers - 11/25/2011 11:58:39 AM   
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    How do they 'sway' games ? Usually with holding calls, or personal fouls, and then favoring a team with PI calls and PI NON calls on the other side of the ball. IF you have the game DVRd, go back and watch in slow mo and I'm confident you'll see what I'm talking about (even if you watch with Green/Yellow tinted glasses).

    On the Lions 1st drive, which was an impressive drive, the drive was killed with a holding penalty after Smith made a 17 yard run. Hold called on Burleson wasn't really much of a hold, didn't affect where Woodson was going, Woodson was holding onto Burleson at the time. It killed the Lions drive, and chance at early momentum. On the Packers ensuing drive, which the Lions forced a punt, check out the block in the back a Packer got away with on Stark's 8 yard run - no call.

    The Lions next drive was also a good drive. After a first down conversion, they called hands to the face on a Detroit OL, he actually grazed the back of the helmet, and Walden was past him. It was NOT hands to the face. I guess if you're looking for something, you can probably find something every play, and if you're 'swaying' a game, you can call them as you please.

    The Lions almost overcame that bogus penalty, and just in case the Lions converted on 3rd and 5 (they didn't, but the refs may have been thinking they probably would the way the Lions were moving the ball), a flag was thrown on Pettigrew for holding Matthews. The problem is, he didn't hold or force Matthews anywhere, Matthews moved HIM. And it could be argued that a holding call could have called on MATTHEWS, if it had been a run play, or if they were 'swaying' the game for the Lions. This took the Lions out of FG range, which does the job of killing any early momentum.

    The Detroit defense then stopped the Packers on their offensive drive, so the refs had to do something again to kill early momentum by Detroit.

    After the Lions converted 3 1st downs, a chop block was called on a Detroit RB, where the RB actually whiffed on the block. He did try to go low, and as I stated earlier, you can probably find something every play if you're looking to 'sway' a game. The attempted block down low was a gift, and the call killed another Detroit drive.

    On the ensuing Packer drive, the Packers' center quickly lifted his head on a hard count and got 2 Detroit players to jump. The Packers did NOT convert on 2nd and 1, or 3rd and 1. On the 3rd and 1, the officials once again got involved and called PI on the player covering James Jones. There was no PI, Jones just stumbled on the play. Aikmann comments that he didn't see the PI, it was a bad call, and the other announcer called it a BIG call, giving the Pack a 1st down, and another chance.

    On the same drive, a ref errored and called the Packers' FB Kuhn for a hold on a takedown. Another official corrected that on the next play (3rd and 14) by calling Suh for hands to the face, even though Sitton hit Suh in the face FIRST. Had the game been a 'sway' for Detroit, they would have called hands to the face on Sitton, and ignored the fact that Suh responded by doing the same thing. But even after that gift, the Packers didn't convert, passing incomplete on 3rd and 1.

    The Lions then committed a turnover on their next offensive series. Packers have the ball, still no score in the game, and the Lions are called for PI in the endzone on the player covering Jennings. It was a touchy but legitimate penalty as the player was looking at the ball but ran into Jennings, giving the Pack 1st and goal at the 1. The only problem with that call, was the almost EXACT same thing happened in the end zone on the Lions next drive, Tramon Williams running into Calvin Johnson, except this time there was NO CALL.

    On the Packers next drive, they picked up a big rushing the passer penalty on Detroit DT Vanden Bosch, and it was a totally bogus penalty. Vanden Bosch argued the call, and as Aikmann said, "IMO, it was within the framework of the rules", and not a good penalty. But it WAS a good penalty, if you're hoping to 'sway' the game for the Pack to cover 6 . But really, it was a lame call. The Packers didn't take advantage and score, but it gave them another chance, and that is all you can hope for when you're a ref that is 'swaying' a game.

    With the Pack ahead 7-0 with 9:16 left in the 3rd quarter (wow, I almost forgot this had been a close game almost halfway thru the 3rd quarter), the Packers failed on 3rd and goal but got the ultimate gift from the Lions. The Lions best defensive player, Suh, is ejected for throwing a kick on a player that was down. That gives the Pack an automatic 1st down, and probable TD, and helps the 'sway' considerably by having the Lions' best defender out of the game.

    Going back and watching the play, the penalty was very much legitimate. The Packer OL looked like he was doing a takedown of Suh (which could be called a holding penalty), but Suh is strong, and as he's going down used his strength to take down the Packer, allowing Suh to be on top. Suh was frustrated either that he didn't get by the guy, or that the guy tried to take him down. Suh attempted to kick the player that was down, and should have been kicked out of the game for doing so. I think he has a dirty coach that brings out the nastiness Suh.

    So the game was a 'sway' for the Pack to cover 6, and the refs got the gift of Suh playing dirty midway thru the 3rd quarter. After that, the Lions fell apart, or the Pack took advantage, however you want to see it.

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    RE: The Packers - 11/25/2011 4:53:30 PM   
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    Packers have their own Chris Cook-like incident:

    http://www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/nfl/134506183.html
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    RE: The Packers - 11/25/2011 5:43:18 PM   
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    Yep...saw that....Not in Packer land...say it isn't so!!! 

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    RE: The Packers - 12/4/2011 11:49:47 PM   
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    Woodson alll but tackled Nicks on his first TD, no call. GB DB gets juked out of his shorts by Cruz, grabs Cruz as Cruz breaks away, no call. Both plays resulted in completions, but still if it weren't for great plays by the receivers... Business as usual

    I'm not going to comment much until I've watched the full game, because I only saw parts of the Packer game.

    What I saw in the early part of the game, the refs seemed to be favoring the Giants. Late in the game, I saw Jennings get a TD that according to the rule with Megatron, it was NOT a TD as the ball was moving and he lost control of it and it dropped to the ground. I was surprised at the time it wasn't overturned.
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    RE: The Packers - 12/4/2011 11:54:49 PM   
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    Packers 38 - Giants 35

    Offense
  • The run game was just putrid.
  • Speaking of putrid, how about that OL?  Just got abused by the Giants DL.
  • Rodgers started out slow but got hot and showed his MVP-ness late.
  • What a big spectrum from the WR corps.  Had as many spectacular tip toe catches as drops (6).

    Defense
  • The usual give up big pass plays yet again.
  • Oh look, they gave up big runs as well.
  • The pick 6 by Matthews was huge.  As was his sack and FF along with his multiple hurries and knockdowns.
  • Defense lives by the turnover.  It's gonna bite the Pack in the ass at some point.
  • Was pleased with the pressure.  Got more knockdowns and hurries than we've had in a while.

    Special Teams
  • Cobb had some nice returns.
  • Crosby missed one FG that was really huge but got the game winner when needed.

    What an exciting game this was!  The Giants really came out to make up for the bad loss @ NO.  The DL of the Giants is one really outstanding unit.  Watching that last drive by NY was just excruciating.  Rodgers was big time though at the end.  The undefeated season continues.
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    RE: The Packers - 12/5/2011 8:38:41 AM   
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    Green Bay managed to win yesterday but I'm convinced that their defense is going to mess their season up.  I just hope it gets messed up in the playoffs.

    They also look to be pressing a little bit.....I think this run at an undefeated season is going to wear on them just like it did the Patriots......

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    RE: The Packers - 12/5/2011 8:43:44 AM   
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    Green Bay managed to win yesterday but I'm convinced that their defense is going to mess their season up.  I just hope it gets messed up in the playoffs.

    They also look to be pressing a little bit.....I think this run at an undefeated season is going to wear on them just like it did the Patriots......

    I think Rodgers was rattled by the pressure from the Giants. They only had to bring 4 and he didn't have much time. Plus they did a good job mixing up man and zone. Even though the Packers offense scored 31 pts, that was the most work I've seen them have to do to get there. I really thought the Giants had a good defense called, it's just that GB has too many weapons.
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    RE: The Packers - 12/5/2011 8:53:01 AM   
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    Agreed...but a team like the Saints who can run and gun with the Packers and they also have a pretty strong defense could give the Packers a run for their money.  Only thing that may prove to be the most favorable in the playoffs is the Packers will play at LameBlow. 

    I watched that game yesterday and the Packers seem to have some chinks in their armor exposed....

    At first I thought that maybe the 10 day layoff was affecting them and they would settle down and win going away...but that never happened.  The Giants hung with them and didn't look intimidated what so ever. 

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