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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 6:30:36 PM   
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Apparently word on the street is Favre has backed out of the Pro Bowl and will be replaced by Jeff Garcia!


So the NFC squad went from a FudgePacker to a "gay" QB?



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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 6:30:52 PM   
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 This apparent problem some people have with the age difference is not a view shared by the majority of the world. 
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 6:32:32 PM   
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Oh, and I think military is a little different than life experience to me.  Not many 20 year olds in the military are "mature" in life experience at all.


You got that right.....And at 20 years old these days your probably a NonCommissioned Officer expected to lead Marines (Sailors, Airmen and Doggies) at some capacity.  Because of the events of the world (I'll leave it at that) recruitment might be up but retention is the question.  these kids are getting promoted faster and faster.  Lack of Maturity in life experience is definately an issue.


As you know Ed, I only made it most of the way through Marine bootcamp.  But at 22 (and believe me I'm not trying to boast; this isn't about me) I'd say I was way more mature than about 99 percent of the kids in there.  Most of them are 18 year olds just out of HS who really don't have a clue what they're doing yet.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 6:33:25 PM   
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This apparent problem some people have with the age difference is not a view shared by the majority of the world. 


I think different cultures are far different.  But reasonable people can certainly disagree.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 6:45:17 PM   
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Oh, and I think military is a little different than life experience to me.  Not many 20 year olds in the military are "mature" in life experience at all.


You got that right.....And at 20 years old these days your probably a NonCommissioned Officer expected to lead Marines (Sailors, Airmen and Doggies) at some capacity.  Because of the events of the world (I'll leave it at that) recruitment might be up but retention is the question.  these kids are getting promoted faster and faster.  Lack of Maturity in life experience is definately an issue.


As you know Ed, I only made it most of the way through Marine bootcamp.  But at 22 (and believe me I'm not trying to boast; this isn't about me) I'd say I was way more mature than about 99 percent of the kids in there.  Most of them are 18 year olds just out of HS who really don't have a clue what they're doing yet.


Your right....at 18 years old and in boocamp less than 2 months after I graduated from highschool I was cluless.  I remember thinking I had everything worked out and what a great feeling that must have been back then...but even today I can't boast I have everything figured out.  I'm thankful for the marine Corps though....helped to make me into the person I am today.  Without it....no tellin where I'd be, and thats not a nice feeling, me thinks!
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 7:20:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ya, Ed.  You know I have nothing but respect and admiration for our military, including you. 

But a lot of those kids going right in aren't exactly "ready."  A lot do it just because they don't have another avenue to go or their families are poor, etc.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 7:52:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is someone offering 19 year old women to 40 year old men on this thread?

Did I miss something?

If she is pretty maybe she can introduce me to her mother!

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 7:57:31 PM   
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 You definately need to scroll back and catch up! 
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 8:00:03 PM   
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This apparent problem some people have with the age difference is not a view shared by the majority of the world. 

I tell you where I draw the line - Woody Allen!  When you marry your step-daughter that is crossing the line for sure.

He should have been arrested

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 8:12:35 PM   
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This apparent problem some people have with the age difference is not a view shared by the majority of the world. 

I tell you where I draw the line - Woody Allen!  When you marry your step-daughter that is crossing the line for sure.

He should have been arrested


Agreed..Thats pretty sick right there.....
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 8:25:23 PM   
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 10:27:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Looking from the outside....I think that a 50 and 30 year old is a LOT more exceptable then a 28 and 19 year old.  My reasoning is that I don't think people really know who they are until they are about 25.  It is almost predatory in a sense...taking advantage of someone that is still molding their life in a big way.

I think people that young should be with someone their own age so that they can mold their lives and grow together.

Although there is always exceptions to the rule...some people just grew up harder and are a lot more mature than others their age.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 10:37:30 PM   
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 So it's okay for an 18 year old male (with unknown intentions) to be with an 18 year old female, but if the male is 25 years older that makes him a predator? 

Personally, I couldn't pass judgment.  I'm guessing that thousands of 18 year old females enter into relationships with males close to their own age that end up not turning out well. 

I'm seriously surprised that people have hangups about two adults, regardless of age, having a relationship.  Why does it matter?  Does the 45 year old female dating the 20 year old male get the same scrutiny?
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/24/2008 10:40:17 PM   
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So it's okay for an 18 year old male (with unknown intentions) to be with an 18 year old female, but if the male is 25 years older that makes him a predator? 

Personally, I couldn't pass judgment.  I'm guessing that thousands of 18 year old females enter into relationships with males close to their own age that end up not turning out well. 

I'm seriously surprised that people have hangups about two adults, regardless of age, having a relationship.  Why does it matter?  Does the 45 year old female dating the 20 year old male get the same scrutiny?


Yes, at least in my mind.  We even have a term for them; cougars.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/25/2008 5:35:13 AM   
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Chances are that this relationship did not just start. So when did it? 40-15, 41-16, 42-17?

No reasonable person would allow their daughter under the age of 18 date a man in his 40's. So suddenly the daughter is 19 and the man is 44 and it is perfectly reasonable? No, I don't think so.

I'm willing to bet at least 1 of the 2 partners is "damaged" when the age difference is that big at that age.

When both adults are at least into their late 20's and early 30's age differences doesn't mean the same thing.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/25/2008 7:49:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not going to suggest that there's one formula for love, or that age is the most important factor.  Just that it is not common for 19 year old women to be dating (or living with, as the article implies) men in their 40s.  Maybe he is a great guy, full of compassion and a good fit for her.  But the fact that he beat, choked, and attempted to kill her would seem to undercut that notion.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 11:33:51 AM   
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Some people need to give their head a shake.

Chances are that this relationship did not just start. So when did it? 40-15, 41-16, 42-17?

No reasonable person would allow their daughter under the age of 18 date a man in his 40's. So suddenly the daughter is 19 and the man is 44 and it is perfectly reasonable? No, I don't think so.

I'm willing to bet at least 1 of the 2 partners is "damaged" when the age difference is that big at that age.

When both adults are at least into their late 20's and early 30's age differences doesn't mean the same thing.

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Why stop at 15?  Maybe it started when she was 5? 

Chances are you have absolutely NO idea when that relationship started. 
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 11:38:27 AM   
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Status: online 		It's interesting that so much attention has been paid to the age of the participants and little mention made of the fact that a woman got beat up because the Packers lost a football game.  Of all the things to set this guy off, this ranks high in the "he's gotta be a nutcase" category.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 11:41:48 AM   
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 Like I said earlier, to me the saddest thing is that if found guilty the maximum he faces is 6 years in prison.
Beating, attempting to stab and trying to kill a woman, and the max sentence is 6 years?  Not much of a deterrent for the rest of the nutcases out there.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 11:57:45 AM   
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Like I said earlier, to me the saddest thing is that if found guilty the maximum he faces is 6 years in prison.
Beating, attempting to stab and trying to kill a woman, and the max sentence is 6 years?  Not much of a deterrent for the rest of the nutcases out there.


There is far too large of a difference between attempted murder and murder.  The intent of the criminal is the same.  The sentences should be similar.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 12:08:37 PM   
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It's interesting that so much attention has been paid to the age of the participants and little mention made of the fact that a woman got beat up because the Packers lost a football game.  Of all the things to set this guy off, this ranks high in the "he's gotta be a nutcase" category.


I think your focus is too much on that fact that it was after a Packers game.

Who cares what the trigger was?

Do you think this girl was safe from this man as long as the Packers had won?

These guys could go off if they lost their wallet, got in an arguement with their boss, anything.

And why is it "of all the things, after a Packers loss"

Who knows what else was going though this losers head asside from all the booze.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 12:10:19 PM   
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Like I said earlier, to me the saddest thing is that if found guilty the maximum he faces is 6 years in prison.
Beating, attempting to stab and trying to kill a woman, and the max sentence is 6 years?  Not much of a deterrent for the rest of the nutcases out there.


There is far too large of a difference between attempted murder and murder.  The intent of the criminal is the same.  The sentences should be similar.


Won't argue with that.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 12:10:53 PM   
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That was the whole focus of the story, therefore the point of my posting it.  I have no doubt that there is a lot of history there, and the guy is a headcase no doubt.  She might be completely off the bubble as well.

But the point of the original story was that the loss of the football game was what sent him into a tizzy.  It wasn't some angle that I just dreamed up.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 12:19:56 PM   
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Status: online 		I guess the thing for me is that I'm not really shocked or surprised that violence happens when you add booze to bitter disappointment.

I would not be surprised if the number of violent occurrences increased after any professional team's loss deep in the playoffs.

Would you suggest that incidences are higher in Green Bay than the norm.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 1/26/2008 2:27:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Lynn's overall point is that all Packer fans are crazy and should be institutionalized.


And she's right. 

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