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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 8:22:51 AM   
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E, while I have Montana/Brady/Peyton higher, and I would also have Steve Young high on that list, I basically agree on Favre's placing.

Top 15?  ya, probably.  Top 10 or top 5?  No way in my mind.


Here are reasons I would put him in the top 10 of all time.

1.  3 MVPs.  Who has more?
2.  More yards passing than anyone in history
3.  Durability...Hello?  Started 275 straight games.  And only about half of them on demerol.
4.  More TD passes than anyone in history
5.  for 17 years the Packers were in contention (with one exception) Prior to his arrival, they were a laughing stock for more than a decade.
6.  Legendary 4th quarter comebacks

Why he isn't the best ever
1.  More INTS than anyone in history
2.  Even 17 years into his career, he still through up some "WTF" Passes. 
3.  Left early from games
4.  Won only 1 title...and was not that spectacular in that game.
5.  When called upon to mentor his presumed replacement a couple of years ago he stated "I am paid to be a QB, not a mentor."   Egotistical jackass.

Favre has the career numbers to put him in the top 10 all time no doubt.
I think many in here wouldn't put him in the top 10 because he played a lot of games against the Vikings and to our chagrin...won a lot of them.  Look objectively at it and you would find it hard to NOT put him in the top 10 all time.


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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 8:31:21 AM   
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That's pretty solid Scott.

I hate they guy but I can't argue with what you posted.

Top 10.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 8:37:17 AM   
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No. 4's legacy just beginning for twin baby boys
Proud parents welcome to family sons Brett and Favre
By Patti Zarling
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It may be the end of the Brett Favre era in Titletown, but for Brett and Favre Kinsaul of Palatka, Fla., life has just begun.
The twins' parents, David and Emily Kinsaul, agreed when they married that they would name any sons after the legendary Packers' quarterback. But they didn't know they'd have twin boys the first time around. Or that Favre would retire days after their birth.
"I was hoping we'd have at least one year of him still playing," David Kinsaul said. The twins were born Feb. 22. The Packers confirmed Favre's retirement Tuesday.
"The last couple years it's come up year after year, but this year everyone seemed to think he'd come back."
Not that his retirement would have changed the Kinsauls' plans to name any boys after David's hero.
"Oh no, they'd still be named after him," he said.
Kinsaul is a relatively new member of the Favre fan club.
He grew up in Florida and moved to Madison in about 2000. He lived in Wisconsin for about three and a half years, and during that time didn't consider himself much of a Packers fan. But when he moved to Houston, and then back to Florida in 2005, he discovered he had some green and gold in his blood after all.
"I missed it terribly," he said. "There's a whole culture up there, watching the games and being interested in the Packers. I just really missed it.
"And I loved watching Brett play. You could just really tell he loved the game, and he was fun to watch."
Kinsaul and his wife subscribed to satellite TV so they could watch Packers games, and he started reading about the history of the Packers and Lambeau Field. When he and his wife discussed marriage, they agreed on the names Brett and Favre for boys. His wife isn't a super fan, but adopted the Packers because of him, Kinsaul said.
So when they found out they were expecting twins, the names were set. Brett Aaron was born at 7:55 a.m.; Favre Moses made his entrance at 7:56 a.m.
The names weren't revealed to friends and family until the boys were born, Kinsaul said.
"They were a little surprised," he said. "They really liked the name Brett. They weren't so sure about Favre.
"They didn't have a problem with Favre personally, they just weren't sure about that for a name. But now it's grown on him."
Kinsaul made sure Favre's name is correctly spelled on the birth certificate and insurance papers. He hopes someday his sons might be football players like Favre.
Kinsaul never made it to Lambeau Field during his time in Wisconsin, but intends to bring the boys for a visit to the Packers' holy ground when they're older. And he plans to tell them plenty about their namesake.
"Brett is just so excellent at what he does, and yet he's extremely human," Kinsaul said. "He's had so many things he's gone through personally and he's still gone so far."




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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 8:54:51 AM   
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Mother may I be named "Favre Kinsaul?"   
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:06:11 AM   
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http://www.greenbaypressgazett...31/1207/GPGnews

 

No. 4's legacy just beginning for twin baby boys
Proud parents welcome to family sons Brett and Favre
By Patti Zarling
pzarling@greenbaypressgazette.com


It may be the end of the Brett Favre era in Titletown, but for Brett and Favre Kinsaul of Palatka, Fla., life has just begun.
The twins' parents, David and Emily Kinsaul, agreed when they married that they would name any sons after the legendary Packers' quarterback. But they didn't know they'd have twin boys the first time around. Or that Favre would retire days after their birth.
"I was hoping we'd have at least one year of him still playing," David Kinsaul said. The twins were born Feb. 22. The Packers confirmed Favre's retirement Tuesday.
"The last couple years it's come up year after year, but this year everyone seemed to think he'd come back."
Not that his retirement would have changed the Kinsauls' plans to name any boys after David's hero.
"Oh no, they'd still be named after him," he said.
Kinsaul is a relatively new member of the Favre fan club.
He grew up in Florida and moved to Madison in about 2000. He lived in Wisconsin for about three and a half years, and during that time didn't consider himself much of a Packers fan. But when he moved to Houston, and then back to Florida in 2005, he discovered he had some green and gold in his blood after all.
"I missed it terribly," he said. "There's a whole culture up there, watching the games and being interested in the Packers. I just really missed it.
"And I loved watching Brett play. You could just really tell he loved the game, and he was fun to watch."
Kinsaul and his wife subscribed to satellite TV so they could watch Packers games, and he started reading about the history of the Packers and Lambeau Field. When he and his wife discussed marriage, they agreed on the names Brett and Favre for boys. His wife isn't a super fan, but adopted the Packers because of him, Kinsaul said.
So when they found out they were expecting twins, the names were set. Brett Aaron was born at 7:55 a.m.; Favre Moses made his entrance at 7:56 a.m.
The names weren't revealed to friends and family until the boys were born, Kinsaul said.
"They were a little surprised," he said. "They really liked the name Brett. They weren't so sure about Favre.
"They didn't have a problem with Favre personally, they just weren't sure about that for a name. But now it's grown on him."
Kinsaul made sure Favre's name is correctly spelled on the birth certificate and insurance papers. He hopes someday his sons might be football players like Favre.
Kinsaul never made it to Lambeau Field during his time in Wisconsin, but intends to bring the boys for a visit to the Packers' holy ground when they're older. And he plans to tell them plenty about their namesake.
"Brett is just so excellent at what he does, and yet he's extremely human," Kinsaul said. "He's had so many things he's gone through personally and he's still gone so far."





Just how PATHETIC is this?  Really?  Naming your kids Brett (not bad in and of itself) and FAVRE?  FAVRE?  Good GOD your worship of the guy is beyond unhealthy people!!

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 11:33:26 AM   
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Countdown is on, less than 30 minutes until Wisconsin grinds to a halt.
WWBD?
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 12:17:57 PM   
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Scott, I guess I'm just not one for "longevity" that much.  It's why I don't think Ripken, Hank Aaron, Eddie Murray are "amazing" for example.

Same for Emmitt Smith.  He's not a top 10 RB all-time to me either.  Probably not even top 20.  The fact that I even consider Favre in the top 15 is a compliment to him I think.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 12:25:40 PM   
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Packers | Favre officially calls it a career
Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:22 -0800

During a press conference Thursday, March 6, Green Bay Packers QB Brett Favre, with a tear rolling down his cheek, officially announced his retirement. He said he has given everything he has to give to the organization and while he knows he can still play he is no longer sure he wants to. "It's over," Favre said, noting it was very hard for him to say. He added he is sure there will be times he wonders if he made the right decision and said he will miss it. "I just don't think I can give anything else," Favre said.


BYE
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 12:54:20 PM   
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Scott, I guess I'm just not one for "longevity" that much.  It's why I don't think Ripken, Hank Aaron, Eddie Murray are "amazing" for example.

Same for Emmitt Smith.  He's not a top 10 RB all-time to me either.  Probably not even top 20.  The fact that I even consider Favre in the top 15 is a compliment to him I think.


The Emmit Smith argument makes sense.  Sure he ran for a lot of yards and TDs. but he did the vast majority of that behind one of the best assemble OLines in history.

Cal Ripken's accomplishment of playing in that many straight games is an amazing accomplishment...plus he re-defined the SS position and you don't play that many years unless you are pretty damn good, plus you add his numbers and his attitude (a true ambassador of the game) Ripken's greatness should never be in doubt. 

Favre's accomplishments are too hard to ignore and too hard to drop him that low on an all time list.  The NFL is a brutal game to play that many consecutive games in any position is an amazing feat...not just about longevity...to play that many consecutive games in the QB postition, with a big target on you for men generally 50 to 100 lbs heavier trying to kill you,  is quite simply astounding. 

Top 15 would be and should be insulting to his accomplishments.  I didn't like him.  I hated that he played against the Vikes twice a year, and his play directly affected, usually negatively, the Vikings.  But that is no reason to downgrade his accomplishments. 

I am not putting Favre in my Top 10 alltime simply because of longevity.  It has a lot more to do with it than that. 

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 12:59:44 PM   
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Packers | Favre officially calls it a career
Thu, 6 Mar 2008 09:45:22 -0800

During a press conference Thursday, March 6, Green Bay Packers QB Brett Favre, with a tear rolling down his cheek, officially announced his retirement. He said he has given everything he has to give to the organization and while he knows he can still play he is no longer sure he wants to. "It's over," Favre said, noting it was very hard for him to say. He added he is sure there will be times he wonders if he made the right decision and said he will miss it. "I just don't think I can give anything else," Favre said.


BYE


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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 1:06:44 PM   
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Conspiracy Theory?



Brett Favre







By John Holler
Posted Mar 6, 2008


In an emotional press conference this morning, Brett Favre dashed the hopes of Packers fans in denial that he might have a change of heart and return to the Packers this fall for an 18th season. But for conspiracy theorists, the question remains: would Favre have retired if the Packers had made a push to sign Randy Moss?

COMMENTARY

The best thing about conspiracy theories is that, regardless of the element of truth or validity a conspiracy theory has, unless there is a clear admission by one party or a smoking gun that makes a conspiracy theory a conspiracy fact, it remains up in the air and open to debate.

One thing that seemingly wasn’t able to be discounted a primary reason for Brett Favre announcing his retirement earlier this week is the connection between his decision and the disposition of former Viking Randy Moss.

If the conspiracy theory holds water, Vikings fans, players and coaches owe Moss a debt of gratitude. For those with longer memories, you will recall that Favre was vocally upset with the Packers decision during last year’s draft not to pony up a fourth-round pick – repeat, a fourth-round pick! – to make a trade with the Raiders to acquire Moss. The Packers had a better fourth-rounder to offer the Raiders than the Patriots for the disgruntled receiver and Favre offered to restructure his contract so the Packers could make the deal work within their own salary cap. However, management opted not to sign Moss and Favre let it be known that he wasn’t happy about it.

Flash forward one year. The Patriots got plenty of bang for their buck out of Moss, who set a new NFL record with 23 touchdown receptions in a single season. While the Packers shocked the NFL with a 13-3 record and were playing at home for the NFC Championship Game, the team had seemingly done it with smoke and mirrors. They had a running back that they had acquired during the preseason from the Giants and a young corps of wide receivers that played above their heads during a magical run. While the Packers didn’t make it to the Super Bowl, they clearly had established themselves as one of the preseason favorites for 2008 – or so we thought.

Enter Randy Moss once again. It was the conventional wisdom that, in order to placate Tom Brady in a season in which the Patriots would be able to afford keeping free agents like Asante Samuel and Donte Stallworth, keeping Moss was a must. However, as the deadline came to franchise players, Moss’ name wasn’t on the list. He was going to be allowed to test the free agent market. However, it was also believed that that Patriots, if not already having a deal in place to re-sign Moss, were the clear frontrunners to get a new deal done.

But, as free agency began, there was still no movement on the Moss front. One day went by. Then two. Then three. With each passing day of no news, it became apparent that, for his own best interests, Moss and his agent might consider moving on to another team. After news leaked that the Eagles, who had been burned internally by Terrell Owens a couple of years earlier, were not only interested in Moss, but put together a package to sign him. That was just the beginning of the rumor mill.

Rumors started coming out that Moss would need to be on a team with an established quarterback and a legitimate chance of winning a championship. Those teams weren’t that many – they included the Patriots, Colts, Cowboys, Packers, Giants and Eagles. The buzz had it that Jerry Jones might be interested and even that the Colts might throw their hat in the ring if he stayed on the open market. Behind the scenes, the conspiracy theorists have it, Favre again mentioned to the Packers that, if he was to go through the grind of another NFL season (his 18th in the league), the organization would have to do something to step up like the Pats did last year by surrounding Tom Brady with offensive weapons like Moss, Wes Welker and Stallworth. When it became clear that Moss was available and that other teams were inquiring about what it would take to land him – the Eagles reportedly made a more substantial offer than Moss eventually accepted to stay in New England – the fact the Packers again refused to get into the bidding for one of the few wide receiver difference-makers available, his decision was made for him.

At his press conference Thursday in which he choked back tears talking about how he physically could play at a high level this season, but mentally he wasn’t ready for the strain that is associated with committing to another season, perhaps the more telling Favre quote was on the cell phone of ESPN’s Chris Mortensen, in which he spoke from the heart about the pressure of coming back for another season. In the recorded message, Favre said that the expectations were such that anything short of not just getting to the Super Bowl, but winning it would be viewed as a disappointment. Had the team signed Moss, those expectations wouldn’t have changed, but the Packers ability to live up to those expectations would have been greatly enhanced. When Moss re-signed with the Patriots and that potential avenue to make another Super Bowl run with a Hall of Famer lined up on the outside of Favre’s formations, so too, it would seem, did his desire to wait any longer to make his decision public.

For those of us who have covered the NFL and seen Favre in action – both at the Metrodome and at Lambeau Field – it is easy to see the impact he has had on the game. It was hard for most knowledgeable fans to boo Favre on the road. He was a one-of-a-kind talent that most of us can tell our children and grandchildren we were lucky enough to see play. But unlike other current Hall of Fame quarterbacks I and others have been lucky enough to see play in person, their exit from the game came under different circumstances. Joe Montana finished his career with the Chiefs and it was clear at the end that his body couldn’t hold up to the strain. The same was true for Dan Marino, who limped around as if he could barely take another step. John Elway won two Super Bowls and had nothing more to prove. Steve Young and Troy Aikman got forced out of the game they loved due to multiple concussions. Favre was none of the above. He still had the skill, the desire and the health to continue playing. He chose not to and his decision came less than 24 hours after he learned for certain that Moss wouldn’t be joining the Packers in 2008.

Some will say that is merely coincidences. Conspiracy theorists will disagree. In the wall-to-wall coverage that followed the announcement, many in the national media shared the viewpoint I had right out of the gate – Moss re-signs, Favre resigns. While he has said that there is no connection, that is hard to swallow, because, after mulling retirement when the Packers were a .500 team with little to no chance of competing for a championship, the team was closer than it had been in years to achieving that goal.

Now the Packers are a 13-3 team in rebuilding mode. Good luck, Aaron Rodgers, because you’re going to need it. As fans and teammates have found out in places like Denver and Miami, you don’t replace a living legend immediately. In fact, neither of those franchises has ever seemed to recover from the retirement of their franchise QB.

While many Vikings fans didn’t like Favre, I defy any of them to say they didn’t respect him. At times, it’s better to be respected than liked and anyone who didn’t have a respect for Favre simply didn’t get it. The game has lost one of its true greats and, if Moss was the reason, all the better for Vikings fans. The reaction out of Green Bay was similar to as if Favre had died. He didn’t. He is getting on with the next chapter of his life, even though he admitted at his press conference Thursday that has no idea what that will be.

For those who remain in denial and believe that, when July rolls around, Favre will have a change of heart and return to the game he has dominated for almost two decades, don’t hold your breath. The odds are overwhelmingly on the side that won’t happen. But, if you want to play the conspiracy card, had the Packers signed Moss, would his decision have been different? That depends on your point of view. I’m convinced he would have come back because, by his own admission, he is still physically able to play and still loves the game. So why quit?

Let the conspiracy theorists postulate that question until Favre himself addresses that issue at some later point. For now, Vikings players, coaches and fans owe Moss a “thank you” because it would seem he was able to do what the Vikings weren’t able to do with much regularity – assure that Favre wouldn’t beat the purple and gold again.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 1:46:51 PM   
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Favre's accomplishments are too hard to ignore and too hard to drop him that low on an all time list. The NFL is a brutal game to play that many consecutive games in any position is an amazing feat...not just about longevity...to play that many consecutive games in the QB postition, with a big target on you for men generally 50 to 100 lbs heavier trying to kill you, is quite simply astounding.


I agree. The fact that you knew you could always count on him to be there and give you a chance to win for 17 years is pretty special.

Sure he milked it, and he probably should've sat a few games, but that's monumental to have that kind of continuity from the QB position.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 1:52:08 PM  1 votes
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Tribute to Favre...

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 2:30:28 PM   
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I need that file of Madden saying, "Brett Favre" over and over.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 2:57:08 PM   
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Scott, I guess I'm just not one for "longevity" that much.  It's why I don't think Ripken, Hank Aaron, Eddie Murray are "amazing" for example.

Same for Emmitt Smith.  He's not a top 10 RB all-time to me either.  Probably not even top 20.  The fact that I even consider Favre in the top 15 is a compliment to him I think.


Emmit Smith is basically the running back version of Favre. He owns many of the same records as Favre, that are running back comparable.

The Emmit Smith argument makes sense.  Sure he ran for a lot of yards and TDs. but he did the vast majority of that behind one of the best assemble OLines in history.

Cal Ripken's accomplishment of playing in that many straight games is an amazing accomplishment...plus he re-defined the SS position and you don't play that many years unless you are pretty damn good, plus you add his numbers and his attitude (a true ambassador of the game) Ripken's greatness should never be in doubt. 

It's an amazing accomplishment, but it doesn't vault him into easily top 10, maybe top 5. As you said, if he is, it's more to do with his actual play.

Favre's accomplishments are too hard to ignore and too hard to drop him that low on an all time list.  The NFL is a brutal game to play that many consecutive games in any position is an amazing feat...not just about longevity...to play that many consecutive games in the QB postition, with a big target on you for men generally 50 to 100 lbs heavier trying to kill you,  is quite simply astounding. 

Favre's accomplishment is one Super Bowl ring and a bunch of QB records earned by playing longer than anyone else. They are nice accomplishments, but putting him around 10ish isn't an insult.


Top 15 would be and should be insulting to his accomplishments.  I didn't like him.  I hated that he played against the Vikes twice a year, and his play directly affected, usually negatively, the Vikings.  But that is no reason to downgrade his accomplishments. 

Well, I don't think it's that insulting.. the differnce between 11 and, say 9, shouldn't be a huge insult. I don't think he's been downgraded.

I am not putting Favre in my Top 10 alltime simply because of longevity.  It has a lot more to do with it than that. 


The biggest reason that people love Favre is because he turned around a franchise that has a lot of history... but turning around Green Bay should be no more or less of an accomplishment than turning around, say, Miami. They myth and legend that Favre is, is built more on that than anything. I firmly believe that if Favre played anywhere but Green Bay, no one would even dream of calling him the greatest QB, or top 3 of all time. Yet people do, and are serious, only because he played in the "frozen tundra of Lambeau Field".  

A lot of Favre's accomplishments come solely from his popularity. 3 MVPs? Yeah, he deserved maybe one of them. You don't get points on the all-time list from a popularity contest, from me. Starting all those games? Well, like you said, the first part of that is because he was a demarol freak, took them to the point of excess, but because he was Favre, the team looked the other way. And then, again because he's Favre, he played in a number of games that he should have sat in, that any other QB would have, because he hurt the team with his play.

Again, he's a great QB. My list isn't definitive, I qualified up front it can be fluid, but I don't think it has Favre that far out of line from where he should be. Can you pop Bradshaw below him? Sure. Can you argue that Favre's better than Manning and Brady? I suppose, but I don't think so...

I would be interested to see any list that has Favre top 5 of all time. I think it would be much harder to justify that list, than one that has him at 11 or 12.

In almost 100 years of football, being the 12th best ever at that position isn't a huge insult. It's actually a big compliment. I've defended Favre over the years from those who thought he was a crappy QB... but he's nowhere near the top 5 of all-time QBs. He is maybe in the top 10 depending on what you take into consideration.

Like I say, I would love to see your list.. and just to see it, I would not pick it apart.
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 8:36:55 PM   
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E, thanks.  That is pretty much EXACTLY my thoughts. 

I don't think Favre is some awful QB; as you say top 15 is still damn high.  But I just can't see any scenario where I would put him in my top 10, and CERTAINLY not my top 5 all-time. 

For a big game, there aren't 10 QB's you'd rather have than Favre?

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:08:52 PM   
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Any thoughts that Favre saw what was happening to Roger Clemens and the HGH investigation and thought he better retire before the spotlight turns on him?  There is a BUNCH of speculation out there that he was on the stuff - hence his recent resurgence.  Speculation only, of course.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:15:53 PM   
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Any thoughts that Favre saw what was happening to Roger Clemens and the HGH investigation and thought he better retire before the spotlight turns on him?  There is a BUNCH of speculation out there that he was on the stuff - hence his recent resurgence.  Speculation only, of course.


Hmmmmm Thats pretty typical Lynn....Your pure hatred of the guy is so evident.  I have never seen in print nor heard anywhere this "speculation" you talk about!

The guy retired...be happy and move on!
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:24:28 PM   
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Gosh Ed - even you worked in a slam about his last interception.  Is that hatred of the guy?

You've never heard this speculation?  Google Brett Favre HGH and you get about thirty pages, each one containing about 25 links to different sites that are speculating about it.  I didn't make this up.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:31:37 PM   
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Im no Packer fan!  I do however respect the body of work that Favre has concerning football.  Its so easy to hate a team and hate the specific reason that team is who they are.  Brett Favre is a specific reason.... Was calling him out on his last pass being an interception a slam?  Sure was, but was based on his being a Packer.  Ive never hid the fact I think Favre is/was a great QB.  I find it funny the drama that surrounds him...but I also find him probably one of the most likeable players in the NFL.  Some disagree and thats fine.  Its my opinion.

Regardless of anything...the guy has every major passing record known to man.  The guy could pad those stats if he wanted to and has chosen to walk away from the game.  No matter what anyone thinks...you have to play the game in order to get stats like he has.  has he cost his teams some games to keep his streak alive??? Maybe, but who cares?  Im not a Packer fan! 

I will always contend that if Brett Favre played in Purple people in Minnesota and Green bay would view him completely different!
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:38:17 PM   
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No doubt.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:39:06 PM   
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:40:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lynn G.

No doubt.


Don't think I don't know your avoiding this argument Ms. Lynn! 
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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:50:48 PM   
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I bet the Falcons have been kicking themselves for the past 15 or so years.....

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RE: RE:The Packers - 3/6/2008 9:53:38 PM  1 votes
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Oh trust me Ed - I could go on and on (and frequently have) about this subject.  But I love you too much to put you through that.  

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