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RE: RE:The Packers - 9/28/2009 4:28:39 PM

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I don't know that I'd consider Leo Lewis one of the best WR's of all time, JC!?!

But seriously, you could include the Vikes with QB's. -- Favre, Tarkenton, Moon (and almost Marino if the Sheriff had his way)

Good one

That is 1,4, and 5 on the career passing leaders

Marino was 3

Only Elway escaped

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/1/2009 1:25:47 PM

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My take on what the Pack need to do for a win this week:
1 - Keep running the ball. Grant started to get on track last week and if we don't have a balanced offense and pass a lot, Rodgers is gonna get killed.

2 - Bring back the short passing game. Slants, checkdowns to RBs, get the TE involved. All these things have been missing so far this season. Finley is a very good TE and it's high time he gets the ball more. Give Rodgers more targets to throw to, the lack of that is forcing him to hold the ball too long.

3 - Gotta blitz Favre and keep up the pressure. Make him rush a throw that our ballhawking secondary can take advantage of.

4 - Don't give AP a cutback lane. If he gets into space it's over. Attack where he's going but don't overpersue. Don't give up the big gains to him. Admittedly this is the far toughest task of them all.

5 - Dare Favre to beat them. Brett is really going to want to stick it GB and will be more than willing to try something risky. The old addage that Brett gives a team a couple of chances for an INT will more than apply here and likely be increased due to the history. Chance that the picks could snowball if he feels like he has to do more.

Gonna be a real tough game and should be a fun one as the history of the games usually are.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/1/2009 1:32:58 PM

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I actually think Favre is going to play under control to quiet those who think he is going to be a risky gunslinger this week.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/5/2009 11:40:40 PM

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Packers lose to MN 30-23
Well, I wanted the Pack to make Favre beat them and he did. Careful what you ask for I guess.

The pass rush was terrible. Favre had all day to throw, that 7.5 second play he had was embarrassing for the Pack, Gruden hit that one on the mark with that description. Capers played real passive on the pass game and Favre destroyed him on it. The run defense though was outstanding. Packers didn't want Peterson to beat them and they at least accomplished that. Great play by the rookie Matthews on the strip and TD run.

We didn't stick to the running game enough and got too pass-happy too early. The INT was just a poor decision by ARod.

The pass protection was as poor as our pass rush. Too many times ARod didn't have enough time to get set. There were several occasions where ARod simply needed to throw the ball away and didn't. The safety was inexcusable, gotta throw that thing out of there. I don't know if it was good coverage on those other times he was sacked or ARod simply trying to make a play, but just not a bad one. Overall thought I thought he played very good considering the beating he took.

Very impressed that the Vikes played a disciplined game with only 1 penalty and it didn't hurt them at all.

Game should not have had a final as close as the score indicated. Packers got beat, plain and simple.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/5/2009 11:57:53 PM

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You guys are totally wasting Kampman at OLB.

Replay after replay showed him just running around (or standing around) in space looking for someone to cover. He doesn't look the least bit comfortable and it takes away from what he does best.

18 tackles and 0 sacks through 4 games. He can't be happy.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/6/2009 6:16:24 AM

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Switching to the 3-4 will cost GB several games

Fire Capers and go back to 4-3
I dont carew hat he did in the PAST

If GB played a 4-3 and Rodgers stops coughing up the ball it is a different gamr

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/6/2009 7:29:08 AM

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You guys are totally wasting Kampman at OLB.

Replay after replay showed him just running around (or standing around) in space looking for someone to cover. He doesn't look the least bit comfortable and it takes away from what he does best.

18 tackles and 0 sacks through 4 games. He can't be happy.

Jon Gruden said it a dozen times during the game...they need to get Kampmann in the three point stance and rush the QB. Waste of good talent right there.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/6/2009 8:39:11 AM

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Capers is smart and he'll figure that out. I would rather you guys didn't mention it, because I've mentioned some things in past years, and it seemed like the Packers were thinking the same things, or God forbid, they READ my posts.

The Vikes will probably NOT win in Lambau (unless the Vikes are coming off a 2 game losing streak - Raven, Steelers). The Packers will make adjustments, will have Clifton back, will run Grant more, and will win the turnover battle.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/6/2009 9:59:03 AM

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I'll be happy when Brandon Jackson comes back. He can run the hell out of a screen, is very good at picking up blitzers and can give the offense a change of pace from Grant. The offense is missing him out there as he was the main check down guy on passes. Yes, I realize that I'm lamenting the #2 RB, but this offense needs someone out there big time to help in the areas he excels at.

We get the bye week to get guys healthy and for Capers to figure out where his pass rush has gone to.

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RE: The Packers - 10/6/2009 10:18:49 AM

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Craig,

I think a lot of people speculated that it might take 3 or 4 games for the Packers' new defense to find its way because it just takes that long to make such a drastic change. The success in the pre-season fooled some folks into thinking they were good to go - but in reality that defense is probably right about where they were expected to be, don't you think?

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/6/2009 11:04:22 AM

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Capers is smart and he'll figure that out. I would rather you guys didn't mention it, because I've mentioned some things in past years, and it seemed like the Packers were thinking the same things, or God forbid, they READ my posts.

The Vikes will probably NOT win in Lambau (unless the Vikes are coming off a 2 game losing streak - Raven, Steelers). The Packers will make adjustments, will have Clifton back, will run Grant more, and will win the turnover battle.

They aren't reading the board, its just common sense - and sometimes it takes the Packers longer to figure stuff out...

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RE: The Packers - 10/6/2009 11:22:56 AM

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Craig,

I think a lot of people speculated that it might take 3 or 4 games for the Packers' new defense to find its way because it just takes that long to make such a drastic change. The success in the pre-season fooled some folks into thinking they were good to go - but in reality that defense is probably right about where they were expected to be, don't you think?

I agree that the defense switch would take time, but there was no pass rush last night to speak of at all. That is a big problem. If you let any QB, let alone Favre, have 4 seconds + on a consistent basis they will pick you apart. That's not getting used to a scheme, that was passive playcalling only sending 3 to rush. If we had a JA as one of our ends I could understand it, but we don't.

The LBs looked lost for most of the game on their coverages. The only LBs who played worth a damn were Hawk and Matthews. Barnett was running around like a chicken with his head cut off, Poppinga is useless and couldn't even shove his thumb up his @$$ if he needed to and Chillar is great if he can just run straight forward and tackle a RB but can't cover worth a damn.

Still pissed that Lee dropped that TD. Game changing play there.

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RE: The Packers - 10/6/2009 11:47:23 AM

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Still pissed that Lee dropped that TD. Game changing play there.

Vikings fans can definitely relate to that.

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RE: The Packers - 10/6/2009 12:25:51 PM

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Capers is NOT a smart coach. I am beginning to think Bill Cowher was the secret to his success.

Seriously, a good coach can take his system WHEN IT IS FILLED WITH THE RIGHT PLAYERS and win with it.

A smart coach alters his system to fit the talent he has. Back in his rookie year, Lawrence Taylor did a play that wasn't in the playbook. Parcels response was PUT IT IN THE PLAYBOOK!

The 3-4 neutralizes Kampan and limits Barnett. Barnett is a fast LB - you don't play fast LBs inside in a 3-4. you don't play a great DE 20 yards down the field.

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RE: The Packers - 10/6/2009 12:34:26 PM

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Capers is NOT a smart coach. I am beginning to think Bill Cowher was the secret to his success.

Seriously, a good coach can take his system WHEN IT IS FILLED WITH THE RIGHT PLAYERS and win with it.

A smart coach alters his system to fit the talent he has. Back in his rookie year, Lawrence Taylor did a play that wasn't in the playbook. Parcels response was PUT IT IN THE PLAYBOOK!

The 3-4 neutralizes Kampan and limits Barnett. Barnett is a fast LB - you don't play fast LBs inside in a 3-4. you don't play a great DE 20 yards down the field.

Funny, our team has a similar situation. You don't play massive Olinemen in the Zone Blocking scheme...

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RE: The Packers - 10/6/2009 12:45:56 PM

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quote:

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Capers is NOT a smart coach. I am beginning to think Bill Cowher was the secret to his success.

Seriously, a good coach can take his system WHEN IT IS FILLED WITH THE RIGHT PLAYERS and win with it.

A smart coach alters his system to fit the talent he has. Back in his rookie year, Lawrence Taylor did a play that wasn't in the playbook. Parcels response was PUT IT IN THE PLAYBOOK!

The 3-4 neutralizes Kampan and limits Barnett. Barnett is a fast LB - you don't play fast LBs inside in a 3-4. you don't play a great DE 20 yards down the field.

Funny, our team has a similar situation. You don't play massive Olinemen in the Zone Blocking scheme...

Yup. This "square peg in a round hole" mentality is incredibly arrogant and a poor use of resources.

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RE: The Packers - 10/9/2009 10:37:29 PM

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Wouldn't it be GREAT if the Vikes worked out a 3-way trade with someone to get DE Aaron Kampmann in Purple ?

Or do you think the Packers would put a poison pill in there assuring he doesn't go to Minnesota ?

Another player not agreeing with Packer management on personnel moves:

Just like Favre complained about certain moves and not getting Moss 2 years ago, CB Charles Woodson talked after the last game being a little bit unhappy the Packers let go of S Anthony Smith. McCarthy was NOT happy being criticized, and said he would have a talk with Woodson later.

S Anthony Smith came from the Pittsburgh Steelers, was part of their SB team, and was REALLY tearing it up this pre-season. I was QUITE surprised the Pack let him go. I thought I just saw him on the Rams' roster, and that might be where he ended up if I remember correctly.

Thankfully he's NOT with the Pack, but MAYBE the Vikes should consider trying to get him before the trade deadline, he could make a good S backup, possible starter later in the season. Or do you think it was just pre-season, not enough to go on ?

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/9/2009 10:47:50 PM

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When I saw Aaron Kampann score a TD on a fumble by Warner, I couldn't help but think that Kampmann will NEVER make a LBer, he just didn't look right scoring that TD. WHAT are the Packers doing ?

Don't they know that with all that blitzing they are doing, it's going to allow a QB every week just enough time to beat Kampmann deep with a TE for at least 3 TDs a week ?

Why do they have a no name like Kevin Greene coaching the LBers, he's clueless and doesn't know how to motivate ? Why, after rarely blitzing and having their defense give up a ton of points last year, would they get a D coordinator to bring in all kinds of blitzing ? You can see the results already in pre-season, the Packers are going to give up SO many big plays, and will NEVER get any turnovers from their defense.

"Live by the blitz, DIE by the blitz", that is why the Eagles with Jimmy Johnson at DC are usually at the bottom of the league in defense and rarely get turnovers. That is why the Vikes last 2 DC have been so poor. Tomlin kept the blitzing going in Pittsburgh, I have NO idea how they won the SB, it must have been their explosive offense.

The Packers are the BEST team in the NFC hands down. Only the Saints can compete with them in a shootout, but they won't this year, not with the Packers' D.

Favre will probably struggle mightily against this D, the Vikes might get blown out AT HOME. They WILL get blown out in Lambau. The Packers will go no less than 12-4.

The Packers have it all with virtually NO weakness.  The only way the Vikes beat them is by punching them in the mouth with Allen, Winfield, the Williamses, Hutchinson, McKinnie, Loadholt, Peterson, Taylor, etc.... The Vikes need to burn the blitzes with dumpoffs to Harvin and Peterson, maybe deep passes.

It's not looking good folks, it might be over before it ever begins. The only thing I'm hopeful is that McCarthy screws things up, or there are LOTS of injuries to Packer players. Maybe the Bears will beat them up a bit in the first game, one can only hope.

Sorry Marty, but I just HAD to go back to this one!

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/10/2009 2:38:51 AM

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No problem Dave, I'd be happy to respond:

First of all, I don't think the Packers blitzed very much.
It could be a VERY different game in Lambau in 4 weeks if they do.

Did Kampmann get burned for 3 TDs by a TE ? I don't remember Shiancoe doing that much.

I WAS over-reacting to a pre-season game and I admitted it the next day (after Ian correctly got on me about it), but I was also having a little fun with it.

I know Jimmy Johnson died, but I don't think it was from BLITZING

. I guess the Philly defense is still blitzing a lot, leading to a lot of turnovers, but they may have lost a few things with coverage, schemes, toughness, leadership, etc... not having JJ. Of course losing Dawkins could be a big part of that. Maybe JC can chime in on this ?

I believe the Vikings' blitzes, although they were burned plenty, set up the times when they didn't blitz to be effective, kept the DL fresh and the Packer OL guessing where the pressure was going to come. I think the Vikes need to blitz just as much if not MORE next time they play the Pack, just make adjustments with coverage schemes.

IF the Vikes don't blitz AT ALL in Lambau, I think they (the Vikes) will be in trouble.

I think the Vikes DID punch them in the mouth, mostly with Allen and Winfield, and Favre played quite a bit better than I thought he would. The Packers HAVE had their share of injuries, and the Vikes added to it, knocking out a great returner in Blackwell. And McCarthy IS screwing some things up, and I'm glad they let go of the pre-season BEAST S Anthony Smith.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/10/2009 2:49:35 AM

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Oh Dave, I meant to make a 'few' alterations on that post:

The Vikings are the BEST team in the NFC hands down. Only the Saints can compete with them in a shootout, but they won't this year, not with the Vikings' D.

Rodgers will probably struggle mightily against this D, the Packers might get blown out AT HOME. They WILL get blown out in Minneapolis. The Vikings will go no less than 12-4.

The Vikings have it all with virtually NO weakness.  The only way the Packers beat them is by punching them in the mouth with Barnett, Dirty Al Harris, Woodson, Hawk, Collins, Clifton, Tauscher (just signed last week), etc..   The Packers need to burn the blitzes with dumpoffs to Grant and Jackson, maybe deep passes.

It's [not - deleted] looking good folks, it might be over before it ever begins. The [only] thing I'm hopeful is that McCarthy screws things up, or there are LOTS of injuries to Packer players. Maybe the Bears will beat them up a bit in the first game, one can only hope.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/10/2009 12:13:25 PM

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/12/2009 10:00:34 PM

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Idiot 49ers release Rossum to make room for Crabtree:

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12352761

I hope the Packers don't get him to replace Blackmon, Rossum is AWESOME coming off a really good season last year, and he might be an upgrade over Blackmon. Hopefully someone else snatches him up.

I have to think the 49ers must have had SOMEBODY else they could have released then one of the best return men in the game. GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR !

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/13/2009 4:43:46 PM

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Don't believe that Rossum will be added to the team. They would have to release someone else to make room for him and with their OL and secondary being so banged up, no luxury of having a return only player on the roster.

EDIT: Just noticed that he signed with Dallas.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/16/2009 9:17:25 PM

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Good, now Rossum can help Dallas to win again at Lambau

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Favre spreading some wisdom on the sidelines...good to see he's working with Sage and TJack......All that hullabalu about him not teaching Rogers in GB......He's been a great addition!!!!

Maybe it's just that Rodgers is [a] Pr*ck and Butt didn't want to spend any time with him.

Besides telling the fans to shut the -ell up and support him, I heard recently Rodgers called the women of Wisconsin "snow cows". How nice.

I'm sure when Rodgers quibbles about retirement, and gets traded to another team by Ted Thompson

, he'll have such a strong following that fans will be demanding his new teams' games get shown on local TV in Wisconsin, just like Jet Favre and BRENT Favre.

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RE: RE:The Packers - 10/18/2009 10:59:35 PM

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Packers blank hapless Kitties 26-0
Not really much of a test and the offense seemed to go on cruise control after the first quarter. Still can't run the ball effectively and the OL still gives up too many sacks.

Penalties, penalties, penalties. What a sloppy performance that was. Against just about any other team, those would have hurt a lot. Don't know when the hell the Packers turned into the Raiders of the NFC in that regard.

Big congrats to Donald Driver on becoming the Packers all time leader in receptions. Great guy and outstanding leader on that team.

The defense was very good and it was nice to see.

I'd give the Packers a B/B- on today's performance overall.

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