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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

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UND are like the Packers to me, I can never cheer for them no matter who they play.

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I was just about to give them credit for the championship, kind of the lifting of the Sue curse. Then the kid they interviewed on the ice says "Fighting Sioux all the way!" That’s class. I'm sorry, but these ND fans on TV come off as looking...I can't come up with the exact words...but desperate works...look at me, look at me....We are in Florida, man!...put us on TV! Now they're gonna go clubbin'. Own the night!

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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?

It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I was just about to give them credit for the championship, kind of the lifting of the Sue curse. Then the kid they interviewed on the ice says "Fighting Sioux all the way!" That’s class. I'm sorry, but these ND fans on TV come off as looking...I can't come up with the exact words...but desperate works...look at me, look at me....We are in Florida, man!...put us on TV! Now they're gonna go clubbin'. Own the night!

You are spot on. When I get up there, which I enjoy to do,
someone always tells me with pride how they have more per capita drinkng, and how cold it is.

That's like meeting a girl who tells you she has herpes and is moody.

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I was just about to give them credit for the championship, kind of the lifting of the Sue curse. Then the kid they interviewed on the ice says "Fighting Sioux all the way!" That’s class. I'm sorry, but these ND fans on TV come off as looking...I can't come up with the exact words...but desperate works...look at me, look at me....We are in Florida, man!...put us on TV! Now they're gonna go clubbin'. Own the night!

You are spot on. When I get up there, which I enjoy to do,
someone always tells me with pride how they have more per capita drinkng, and how cold it is.

That's like meeting a girl who tells you she has herpes and is moody.

Thanks Murf. I was a bit nervous about my post, thinking maybe you were in Tampa. I'm obviously not talking about every single UND fan. But I'd say a solid majority. Redneck complex. These are grown men and women that act like complete buffoons and think it's normal behavior. The Packer fan comparison is one I've always thought of as well.

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Almost all NFL fan bases are out of control, Vikings fans included, yes. So you need to compare fan base to fan base within that sport. I think North Dakotans have a similar inferiority complex to a lot of Minnesotans, only 10-fold. Of course they see it as a superiority complex. THEY know best. THEY think Donald Trump says it like it is, and that's really impressive. THEY win with their brand of hockey. Nobody else can tell them how to do things. Stay out Somalis! We are superior, you are not welcome! I actually like the city of Grand Forks. Practically grew up there. I cried when it flooded. Had to go to the Dr. for post traumatic stress syndrome when it happened. But the hockey team and fans are just annoying. And let's just say the Minnesota Gopher basketball players did their work like Rhodes Scholars compared to UND hockey players. Nobody has a problem with that problem though.

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Miles, you and Kerry gotta come to our cabin for a cookout this summer. Tif is worried our food won't be up to standard. I told her I'd put you in charge of the grilling.

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One of the most appalling things I saw in the championship game (and this is saying something) was someone in the crowd wearing a classic Bemidji State hockey jersey....and cheering with the UND fans.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?

It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.

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I'll say congrats to the best two people/fans of UND I know... Miles and Murf.
The rest? Not so much.
My son works with that team closely and he knew we all were in trouble from Day One.
They have amassed good talent, and the new coaching staff is a great fit for what they needed.
They've been the best team in college hockey most of the year, this came as no big surprise.
That said, hope that's the last one they see for a long time.

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I think we need to add "Fighting" to every nickname.
Sucks that the Fighting Twins haven't won a game.
The Fighting Timberwolves are turning a corner finally.
Our Fighting Gopher women teams did very well this year.
Our Fighting Vikings seem to be on the right track hopefully.
This is fun.

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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?

It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.

Come on Lynn, that is a stretch. The Sioux fought well before the settlers moved in. The Chippewa gave the Dakota and Lakota the name Sioux which if I recall meant Snake. The tribes were not just peace loving entities until white man arrived. They fought if another tribe moved into their territory.

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It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it
Lynn I never declared anybody to love the name. Is the issue that they use the term Fighting or is it Sioux or is it both. Fighting can be construed positively or negatively. The Sioux are indigenous to the area so it just seems honorary. It does bother me when people are looking for reasons to be offended when IMO there just isn't anything offensive there. Once again I was 30-40 years ahead of the curve in wanting the Washington NFL team name eliminated. I just see nothing wrong with Chiefs, Braves, Indians (I do find the baseball Indians Mascot offensive).

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It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it
Lynn I never declared anybody to love the name. Is the issue that they use the term Fighting or is it Sioux or is it both. Fighting can be construed positively or negatively. The Sioux are indigenous to the area so it just seems honorary. It does bother me when people are looking for reasons to be offended when IMO there just isn't anything offensive there. Once again I was 30-40 years ahead of the curve in wanting the Washington NFL team name eliminated. I just see nothing wrong with Chiefs, Braves, Indians (I do find the baseball Indians Mascot offensive).

I DO think that it's adding the word "fighting" to Sioux that probably is what caused so many issues, although I can't speak on behalf of those who spoke up about it. To me, that's the problem. And I also think it all kind of passes as a Hollywood movie version of our concept of indigenous people - our "cowboys and indians" romanticized memory of the way things never really were. And I'm right with you on that Braves mascot (Chief Wahoo? or something). Absolutely appalling.

But 100% worst of all is the Washington football team name. It was always meant in a pejorative manner and people who defend it as if it is a name of honor sound ridiculous. Kudos to you for being outspoken about it so long ago.

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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?

It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.

Come on Lynn, that is a stretch. The Sioux fought well before the settlers moved in. The Chippewa gave the Dakota and Lakota the name Sioux which if I recall meant Snake. The tribes were not just peace loving entities until white man arrived. They fought if another tribe moved into their territory.

I wanted the nickname changed back in the early 80's when I attended UND. However, the whole vote about 4 or 5 years ago to get two tribes to agree to the nickname was a scam. The one tribe that voted in favor provided an open vote to the tribal people. The other.......the tribal council refused to let it go to an open vote. It was complete and utter bulls**. The tribal members didn't get one vote per person.

Tribal Government is an anachronism. It is fraught with corruption. It is not out for the interests of the tribe but rather the interests of the members of the tribal government.

I want the University to move on. The whole nickname thing held them back. The best thing was to dump the sorry nickname and move on. Sure, there will be the legions of fans who will chant fighting Sioux forever.....big deal. It will disappear but will take time. Would have been better had they selected a better nickname like RoughRiders instead of that stupid Fighting Hawks.

Just remember.........Right now native people and their tribal names will be associated with tribal casinos instead of an institution of higher education. Wow.....what a great thing. We have really progressed in Indian relations. If the damn white liberals wanted to really affect change, they wouldn't romanticize the life of the Native people that is long gone and isn't coming back. A life that might have seemed to be one with nature but probably would have had to change, regardless of the white settlers. The white liberals need to recognize that the reservation of today is a prison for our native people....a prison that doesn't keep people in with walls, but has become a psychological wall/barrier between natives and mainstream America that keeps the native person mired in poverty and despair with no chance out. If we really wanted to help, we would push for true business relationships with the people instead of this stupid casino gambling. And anyone supporting casino gambling is enabling this crap to continue.

As for the white conservatives, they don't give a damn one way or the other. They view Native people the way they view everyone that is not white.