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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 11:31:37 AM   
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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?


It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.


Come on Lynn, that is a stretch. The Sioux fought well before the settlers moved in. The Chippewa gave the Dakota and Lakota the name Sioux which if I recall meant Snake. The tribes were not just peace loving entities until white man arrived. They fought if another tribe moved into their territory.

I wanted the nickname changed back in the early 80's when I attended UND. However, the whole vote about 4 or 5 years ago to get two tribes to agree to the nickname was a scam. The one tribe that voted in favor provided an open vote to the tribal people. The other.......the tribal council refused to let it go to an open vote. It was complete and utter bulls**. The tribal members didn't get one vote per person.

Tribal Government is an anachronism. It is fraught with corruption. It is not out for the interests of the tribe but rather the interests of the members of the tribal government.

I want the University to move on. The whole nickname thing held them back. The best thing was to dump the sorry nickname and move on. Sure, there will be the legions of fans who will chant fighting Sioux forever.....big deal. It will disappear but will take time. Would have been better had they selected a better nickname like RoughRiders instead of that stupid Fighting Hawks.

Just remember.........Right now native people and their tribal names will be associated with tribal casinos instead of an institution of higher education. Wow.....what a great thing. We have really progressed in Indian relations. If the damn white liberals wanted to really affect change, they wouldn't romanticize the life of the Native people that is long gone and isn't coming back. A life that might have seemed to be one with nature but probably would have had to change, regardless of the white settlers. The white liberals need to recognize that the reservation of today is a prison for our native people....a prison that doesn't keep people in with walls, but has become a psychological wall/barrier between natives and mainstream America that keeps the native person mired in poverty and despair with no chance out. If we really wanted to help, we would push for true business relationships with the people instead of this stupid casino gambling. And anyone supporting casino gambling is enabling this crap to continue.

As for the white conservatives, they don't give a damn one way or the other. They view Native people the way they view everyone that is not white.


I don't agree Miles....there isn't a politician have done much for the minorities at all. The problem with any president or politician is that they are tied down by the favors they owe. If anyone thinks that Clinton & Obama(Goldman Sachs & International Non Profit Orgs) and the Bush Family (Big Oil) aren't puppets.....they need to read just a little bit more.


What is it that you disagree with? The whole post? My assessment of white liberal? Or white conservative? That Tribal Government is a joke? That we shouldn't push for business development in partnership with Native People?

Did I say that Politicians have helped the Indian? Did I say white Liberals were much more active in helping the Natives than white conservatives?

My post was not about politics.....it was a response regarding the name change at UND and whether or not the previous name had been given a proper thumbs up or thumbs down by the members of two tribes, specifically Spirit Lake and Standing Rock.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 12:43:34 PM   
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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?


It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.


Come on Lynn, that is a stretch. The Sioux fought well before the settlers moved in. The Chippewa gave the Dakota and Lakota the name Sioux which if I recall meant Snake. The tribes were not just peace loving entities until white man arrived. They fought if another tribe moved into their territory.

I wanted the nickname changed back in the early 80's when I attended UND. However, the whole vote about 4 or 5 years ago to get two tribes to agree to the nickname was a scam. The one tribe that voted in favor provided an open vote to the tribal people. The other.......the tribal council refused to let it go to an open vote. It was complete and utter bulls**. The tribal members didn't get one vote per person.

Tribal Government is an anachronism. It is fraught with corruption. It is not out for the interests of the tribe but rather the interests of the members of the tribal government.

I want the University to move on. The whole nickname thing held them back. The best thing was to dump the sorry nickname and move on. Sure, there will be the legions of fans who will chant fighting Sioux forever.....big deal. It will disappear but will take time. Would have been better had they selected a better nickname like RoughRiders instead of that stupid Fighting Hawks.

Just remember.........Right now native people and their tribal names will be associated with tribal casinos instead of an institution of higher education. Wow.....what a great thing. We have really progressed in Indian relations. If the damn white liberals wanted to really affect change, they wouldn't romanticize the life of the Native people that is long gone and isn't coming back. A life that might have seemed to be one with nature but probably would have had to change, regardless of the white settlers. The white liberals need to recognize that the reservation of today is a prison for our native people....a prison that doesn't keep people in with walls, but has become a psychological wall/barrier between natives and mainstream America that keeps the native person mired in poverty and despair with no chance out. If we really wanted to help, we would push for true business relationships with the people instead of this stupid casino gambling. And anyone supporting casino gambling is enabling this crap to continue.

As for the white conservatives, they don't give a damn one way or the other. They view Native people the way they view everyone that is not white.


I don't agree Miles....there isn't a politician have done much for the minorities at all. The problem with any president or politician is that they are tied down by the favors they owe. If anyone thinks that Clinton & Obama(Goldman Sachs & International Non Profit Orgs) and the Bush Family (Big Oil) aren't puppets.....they need to read just a little bit more.


What is it that you disagree with? The whole post? My assessment of white liberal? Or white conservative? That Tribal Government is a joke? That we shouldn't push for business development in partnership with Native People?

Did I say that Politicians have helped the Indian? Did I say white Liberals were much more active in helping the Natives than white conservatives?

My post was not about politics.....it was a response regarding the name change at UND and whether or not the previous name had been given a proper thumbs up or thumbs down by the members of two tribes, specifically Spirit Lake and Standing Rock.


I think all politicians back whatever pays for their campaign except for maybe Trump. Clinton, Cruz, Sanders, and Obama pretend to care for minorities and are getting more votes except for the simple fact that they haven't done anything for minorities.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 3:31:37 PM   
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Sue forever? Is that what they are chanting? People, you finally broke your curse the year you became the Fighting Hawks. My god, I thought I lived in the past.

I hated the name of the Washington NFL team and knew it was wrong first time I ever heard it. I will never get the idea that a name like fighting Sioux is derogatory toward Native Americans/American Indians. I am one eighth Native American myself. I know many Native Americans who don't consider it derogatory at all. Some choose to find it derogatory. Should all Irish Americans and Catholics band together to get rid of the Fighting Irish name of the Notre Dame teams?


It's interesting that you characterize those "many Native Americans" as not finding it derogatory, but on the other side, some "choose" to find it derogatory. It's as if you believe that those on the "love the name" side of the issue are clear-minded, honest-abe types, while on the other side there must be some kind of nefarious plot because they "choose" to not like the name. It didn't come naturally on that side I guess.

Face it, the overwhelming majority of people find the characterization of the Sioux Nation as "fighting" - derogatory. I don't doubt that you have met people who are fine with it, but they each get just one vote. And to bring up the tiresome comparison to the Fighting Irish shows little imagination (because everybody and his brother tries to make this comparison).

The Sioux became characterized as fighters when they fought to defend their land against white settlers who moved in and just took what they wanted. That nickname reflects an ugly period in which white settlers were just as vicious as the indigenous people when they faced each other with weapons.


Come on Lynn, that is a stretch. The Sioux fought well before the settlers moved in. The Chippewa gave the Dakota and Lakota the name Sioux which if I recall meant Snake. The tribes were not just peace loving entities until white man arrived. They fought if another tribe moved into their territory.

I wanted the nickname changed back in the early 80's when I attended UND. However, the whole vote about 4 or 5 years ago to get two tribes to agree to the nickname was a scam. The one tribe that voted in favor provided an open vote to the tribal people. The other.......the tribal council refused to let it go to an open vote. It was complete and utter bulls**. The tribal members didn't get one vote per person.

Tribal Government is an anachronism. It is fraught with corruption. It is not out for the interests of the tribe but rather the interests of the members of the tribal government.

I want the University to move on. The whole nickname thing held them back. The best thing was to dump the sorry nickname and move on. Sure, there will be the legions of fans who will chant fighting Sioux forever.....big deal. It will disappear but will take time. Would have been better had they selected a better nickname like RoughRiders instead of that stupid Fighting Hawks.

Just remember.........Right now native people and their tribal names will be associated with tribal casinos instead of an institution of higher education. Wow.....what a great thing. We have really progressed in Indian relations. If the damn white liberals wanted to really affect change, they wouldn't romanticize the life of the Native people that is long gone and isn't coming back. A life that might have seemed to be one with nature but probably would have had to change, regardless of the white settlers. The white liberals need to recognize that the reservation of today is a prison for our native people....a prison that doesn't keep people in with walls, but has become a psychological wall/barrier between natives and mainstream America that keeps the native person mired in poverty and despair with no chance out. If we really wanted to help, we would push for true business relationships with the people instead of this stupid casino gambling. And anyone supporting casino gambling is enabling this crap to continue.

As for the white conservatives, they don't give a damn one way or the other. They view Native people the way they view everyone that is not white.


I don't agree Miles....there isn't a politician have done much for the minorities at all. The problem with any president or politician is that they are tied down by the favors they owe. If anyone thinks that Clinton & Obama(Goldman Sachs & International Non Profit Orgs) and the Bush Family (Big Oil) aren't puppets.....they need to read just a little bit more.


What is it that you disagree with? The whole post? My assessment of white liberal? Or white conservative? That Tribal Government is a joke? That we shouldn't push for business development in partnership with Native People?

Did I say that Politicians have helped the Indian? Did I say white Liberals were much more active in helping the Natives than white conservatives?

My post was not about politics.....it was a response regarding the name change at UND and whether or not the previous name had been given a proper thumbs up or thumbs down by the members of two tribes, specifically Spirit Lake and Standing Rock.


I think all politicians back whatever pays for their campaign except for maybe Trump. Clinton, Cruz, Sanders, and Obama pretend to care for minorities and are getting more votes except for the simple fact that they haven't done anything for minorities.


What the hell did that have to do with my post.....Did you read it? There was nothing about politics in my post..........other than white liberal and white conservative.

I said nothing about politicians.

I never said anything about Cruz, Sanders Clinton or Obama with respect to Native people. In fact, the one thing one could infer is that white liberals are for the most part, pathetically condescending to Native Americans......and have a complete misconception of the life of the Native people before the white man came.

The post was about the nickname and life on the reservation and tribal government. If you inferred from my post that I was saying liberal politicians are more supportive of Natives than conservative politicians, you completely failed to understand the post.

The topic was the nickname and the failure of tribal government to allow an open vote on the issue. How in the hell you link it to Clinton, Cruz, Sanders and Obama is beyond me.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 3:40:04 PM   
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Alright my bad.....

I always thought if they just went with the Sioux they might be fine but Ralph wanted Fighting Sioux and no changes whatsoever. One of the nicest hockey venues I have seen.

Any one know what they are doing with the Logos?

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 5:38:28 PM   
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Alright my bad.....

I always thought if they just went with the Sioux they might be fine but Ralph wanted Fighting Sioux and no changes whatsoever. One of the nicest hockey venues I have seen.

Any one know what they are doing with the Logos?

Building a church to worship them.
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 5:38:34 PM   
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Alright my bad.....

I always thought if they just went with the Sioux they might be fine but Ralph wanted Fighting Sioux and no changes whatsoever. One of the nicest hockey venues I have seen.

Any one know what they are doing with the Logos?


The logos that are embedded in the arena, as I understand, no longer need to be removed.

http://www.uscho.com/2012/09/27/ncaa-says-fighting-sioux-logos-can-stay-at-ralph-engelstad-arena/

Anything that is easily removable or can be change has to be removed or altered.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 5:42:58 PM   
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Alright my bad.....

I always thought if they just went with the Sioux they might be fine but Ralph wanted Fighting Sioux and no changes whatsoever. One of the nicest hockey venues I have seen.

Any one know what they are doing with the Logos?

Building a church to worship them.

My son ironically gets paid to polish them.
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/11/2016 6:22:21 PM   
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Alright my bad.....

I always thought if they just went with the Sioux they might be fine but Ralph wanted Fighting Sioux and no changes whatsoever. One of the nicest hockey venues I have seen.

Any one know what they are doing with the Logos?

Building a church to worship them.

My son ironically gets paid to polish them.

Hope he at least has the decency to use a giant loogy as his cleaning agent.
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/12/2016 10:02:50 AM   
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Alright my bad.....

I always thought if they just went with the Sioux they might be fine but Ralph wanted Fighting Sioux and no changes whatsoever. One of the nicest hockey venues I have seen.

Any one know what they are doing with the Logos?

Building a church to worship them.

My son ironically gets paid to polish them.

Hope he at least has the decency to use a giant loogy as his cleaning agent.


What comes to mind regarding polishing is Shinola..........

I am quite sure that SMF's son knows shit from Shinola but somehow, with his dislike of UND and love for the Gophers, he may play dumb on this one.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/12/2016 10:11:29 AM   
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I was of course joking.

But I'm sure it's at least crossed his mind at some point. Or not. Because he's a better person than I am.
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 4/18/2016 10:16:17 AM   
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Now that this season is complete how is recruiting looking. Who has the best new players coming in? Any good place to find this stuff out?
I found a site that tells you all the commitments, but doesn't rank them individually or by team.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 5/28/2016 9:43:35 AM   
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St. Cloud losing Lindgren to the NHL is killer. Next man up I guess. Patrick Russell also hurts a bit.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 5/29/2016 5:49:46 PM   
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St Cloud will be a run of the mill team without Lindgren.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 5/29/2016 8:16:17 PM   
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St Cloud will be a run of the mill team without Lindgren.

That's taking it a bit far. I think they still challenge for the conference title and make the playoffs for sure. Probably a long shot to finish as a number one seed again.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/3/2016 2:24:29 PM   
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Let's get it fired up in here Matt!!!!!
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/3/2016 2:28:23 PM   
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I visit Grand Forks at the absolute worst times
Banner hanging Sat night up there
Made me ill.
Give em credit tho. Sold out the house for it, during a tune up vs Manitoba dental school of mines and basket weaving.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/3/2016 2:32:46 PM   
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I visit Grand Forks at the absolute worst times
Banner hanging Sat night up there
Made me ill.
Give em credit tho. Sold out the house for it, during a tune up vs Manitoba dental school of mines and basket weaving.


Haha! Hope you're recovering, I'd have been sick too. However, I've got to tip my cap to the UND fans. They are probably the most supportive group of fans in any sport around.
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/3/2016 4:49:42 PM   
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I visit Grand Forks at the absolute worst times
Banner hanging Sat night up there
Made me ill.
Give em credit tho. Sold out the house for it, during a tune up vs Manitoba dental school of mines and basket weaving.


Haha! Hope you're recovering, I'd have been sick too. However, I've got to tip my cap to the UND fans. They are probably the most supportive group of fans in any sport around.

Should have been SCSU with that championship Banner. We crushed them last season.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/5/2016 6:31:23 PM   
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Well drew....what's the word on the Beavers this season?

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/5/2016 6:38:36 PM   
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HOLY S*&*!

I just checked the WCHA page. Can't believe they already started conference play. And....I REALLY can't believe this:

Huntsville is 2-0 and Ferris State is 0-2 after a shocking sweep!!!! Oh wow!

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/6/2016 8:06:10 AM   
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Picked to finish 6th in the league in the preseason poll. Looks like the usual top 3 (Bowling Green, MN State, Tech) and then everyone else. Also, this has a high likelihood of being the last season of the WCHA as it is presently constructed. The winds of change are blowing again, and I'm afraid we might be left behind.

I'm hoping for better than 6th, obviously. Big opening weekend at home vs. Bowling Green, the conference favorites. Or maybe Huntsville is the favorites now!!

Should be fun to follow the Beavers with you again.
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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/7/2016 1:03:47 PM   
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BEMIDJI -- The team that ended Bemidji State’s season in March will also be the first the Beavers see when they open up their new campaign this Friday.

When Bowling Green steps onto the ice at the Sanford Center (faceoff at 7:07 p.m. Friday and Saturday), the Beavers will be remembering their defeat in the first round of last season’s Western Collegiate Hockey Association playoffs. BSU, the No. 6 seed in the playoffs, took the third-seeded Falcons to three games before losing.

“I think it’s good we still have that fresh in our memory, what happened last year,” BSU senior forward Charlie O’Connor said. “I feel like a lot of the returners have that etched in our brain. We’re not forgetting about that.”

It’s a slightly unique situation for the Beavers, who open with a conference opponent right away for the first time in the memory of head coach Tom Serratore. Traditionally BSU has played a nonconference series, or at least an exhibition contest, before diving into WCHA play.

Instead, league points will be on the line right away this weekend.

“It’s different, there’s no question,” Serratore said. “It’s the first time I think I’ve ever done this where we’re starting with conference games. And it is a different mindset. You feel you need to get certain things in quicker…. The bottom line is, the players have to just play and you have to put the ownership on them now.”

The Beavers haven’t had a whole lot of time on the ice together, but the good news for BSU is they have plenty of veterans on the team this year -- 20 returners, to be exact, including six seniors.

Both of their top scorers are back -- junior Gerry Fitzgerald and senior Brendan Harms each finished with 25 points. Other double-digit scoring leaders who return include O’Connor, junior Kyle Bauman, senior Nate Arentz and junior Leo Fitzgerald.

“I think we have a good skill level,” Serratore said. “We have 2-3 lines that can score. I think that’s been our achilles the past couple years, and a lot of teams’ for that matter just scoring goals. But I think we have the pieces in place right there.”

BSU also has four goaltenders, including one very clear No. 1 star goalie in junior Michael Bitzer.

The biggest question mark might again be the defense, where the Beavers lost two solid pieces in Graeme McCormack (to graduation) and Ruslan Pedan (who left early to play in the KHL in Russia).

There are just two blueliner upperclassmen on the roster this year (senior Carter Struthers and junior Brett Beauvais).

But the Beavers think the youngsters are coming along nicely.

“Our D are a year older, which is huge,” Harms said. “There were some games last year where we played four freshmen defensemen. And no matter how good you are it can be tough at times. They’ve got some experience back there now.”

“I really like where we’re at right now,” Serratore added. “We might be a little young or inexperienced on the backline, but I think our guys have really stepped up. I like where our sophomores are at, and our two freshmen have come in and are playing really good hockey right now. We’re farther along then I thought we would be a month ago, that’s for sure.”

Bowling Green was picked to finish first in the conference while the Beavers were picked to finish sixth. BSU, of course, wants to prove to the rest of the league that they can do better than that this year. That requires a good start this weekend.

“Obviously you want to be picked higher,” Harms said. “You don’t have a lot of respect from everyone else, I guess you could say, but we need to gain that respect. Last year we won one playoff game and the year before we didn’t win any and the year before that we didn’t win any either. So it’s time for us to figure it out and get it going and get a good start.”

The Beavers will be led on the ice by three senior forwards in Harms, O’Connor and Arentz.

“They’re a great group and they’ve been great ambassadors for our program,” Serratore said. “They do it all. They’re top notch students, they’re top notch people, and they’re good hockey players. They wear the school colors proud. They lead the right way and are the hardest workers in practice. The guys knew what they were doing when they chose those guys to be captains.”

Harms, from Steinbach, Manitoba, scored 25 points last season (8 goals, 17 assists). O’Connor from Elk Grove Village, Ill. (7g-6a-13pts) and Arentz, from Lakeville (4g-7a-11pts) also were double-digit scorers last season.

“It’s a little different now,” Harms said of wearing a letter this season. “You’re senior now. There’s some things you have to do differently, but as a captain you just have to lead by example and not change the reason you got to be a captain. We’ve got a lot of leaders in our group, a lot of older guys too, so it’s a good group.”


http://www.bemidjipioneer.com/sports/beavers/4130402-mens-hockey-wcha-play-starts-beavers-host-bgsu-home-opener-video

I didn't realize we had so many guys returning. And with Bitzer in net, we could definitely finish better than 6th in the conference. The key appears to be our defensemen. Very young and most of them weren't very good last year.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/7/2016 2:36:43 PM   
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That seems like a huge number of returners.
Have a fun year fellas.
Always fun to follow the Beaves.
Seems like Bitzers been there forever.

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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/7/2016 3:29:10 PM   
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Here are the WCHA rule changes for this season. The NHL nets thing is fine. Don't like the other new rules.

EDINA, Minn. – August 23, 2016 – The game format, on-ice product and regular season championship chase in the men's Western Collegiate Hockey Association (WCHA) will have a new dynamic moving forward, as the league today announced three pivotal changes to take effect for the upcoming 2016-17 season: Introduction of 3-on-3 overtime and shootout (both if necessary) for regular season league games, a three-point-per-game structure to the league standings and mandatory National Hockey League (NHL) nets in all arenas.

"The WCHA is committed to evolving and adapting however possible to maximize the overall experience for our student-athletes, programs and fans," said WCHA Men's League Commissioner Bill Robertson in making the announcement. "These initiatives will bring a new element of excitement to all areas of WCHA hockey, from opening up more space on the ice, to bringing resolution for each league game and adding another wrinkle to the always-thrilling races for home ice advantage and the MacNaughton Cup. It is a testament to our member institution administrators and coaches that, together, we brought forth positive changes that have proven to be successful, and are in line with what our fans and players want."


Overtime and Shootout

Ensuring that each contest will have a "winner" in the league standings, each WCHA regular season league game that remains tied after regulation and the NCAA-mandated, five-minute 5-on-5 overtime period will now advance to a second five-minute overtime period, of 3-on-3 play; if the game is still tied, it will be settled in a sudden death shootout (wherein each team will receive a minimum of one shot, and the second team to shoot can match if the first team to shoot, scores). All WCHA postseason games will revert to the NCAA standard of sudden death, 20-minute overtime periods to determine a winner.


Points Structure

Beginning with the 2016-17 season, each WCHA regular season league game will be worth three points, awarded as follows:

Game decided in regulation: three (3) points to winning team

Game decided in 5-on-5 overtime (five minutes, sudden death): three (3) points to winning team

Game decided in 3-on-3 overtime (five minutes, sudden death): two (2) points to winning team, one (1) point to losing team

Game decided in shootout (sudden death): two (2) points to winning team, one (1) point to losing team

The 3-on-3 overtime and shootouts will only affect the WCHA standings, while any game that is tied after the 5-on-5 overtime remains officially a tie for NCAA purposes. Thus, the WCHA standings will show Wins, Losses, Ties and 3-on-3/Shootout Wins ("W-L-T-3/SW"). In this format, W-L-T will add up to games played, with the "Tie" column signifying how many times a team has been to a 3-on-3 overtime or shootout; and, the "3-on-3/Shootout Wins" column representing how many games a team has won in that fashion.

NHL Nets

WCHA skaters will have four additional inches to work with behind the net in each league rink this season, as all 10 member institutions will install the 40-inch goal frame that is standard across the NHL. A vast majority of WCHA arenas in 2015-16 had the 44-inch frames that long have been a staple of college hockey.

"These changes put the WCHA on par with the future of college hockey, along with the present format for the highest professional leagues," said Damon Whitten, head coach at Lake Superior State and coaches' chair for the WCHA Men's League. "As coaches, we are ecstatic for the development of our student-athletes to expose them to the same conditions they will experience when playing at the next level. We're also thrilled for our fans, as they will now get to go home each night with a winner for every game. We applaud the league for these important steps and look forward to a terrific season ahead."

The 2016-17 WCHA season gets underway Saturday, Oct. 1 and Sunday, Oct. 2. Defending Broadmoor Trophy winner Ferris State hosts Alabama Huntsville in the opening league series, reigning MacNaughton Cup co-champion Michigan Tech visits Minnesota Duluth in a nonconference set and five teams play exhibition contests. The first full weekend of the regular season is set for Oct. 7-9.

The upcoming WCHA season concludes with the return of postseason hockey to campus sites throughout the league tournament. The "2017 WCHA Playoffs" begin with four (4) best-of-three, quarterfinal round series hosted by the league's top four regular-season finishers the weekend of March 3-5, followed by two (2) best-of-three semifinal round series hosted by the highest remaining seeds the weekend of March 10-12. The "2017 WCHA Championship" will be a single game, hosted by the highest remaining seed Saturday, March 18.


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RE: Other college hockey (BSU, UND, SCSU, etc) - 10/8/2016 10:41:28 AM   
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Great win and 3 points to start the year! We looked really good in the first two periods and outplayed them. The 3rd period we held on as BG had us reeling. All in all, great way to get out of the gates defeating the conference favorite and looking good doing so.

Tonight they have some suspended players coming back, so it might be a challenge.
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