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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

Why would the NFL hate the Patriots so much and voluntarily bring a controversy like this to the forefront? That conspiracy makes no sense.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

I don't hear Tom Brady speaking out too loudly on any of this.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I posted this in the NFL thread; will post it here:

Honestly, it's just basic math. Go look at the readings, look at the report, look at the most plausible explanations by those involved, including the head official in charge of all this.

I honestly don't know how anyone can come to any other conclusion, plausibly, unless they're just looking for a reason to hate on the Patriots' success. The simplest explanation has always been, and remains (as I said when the initial reports came out):

The Patriots balls were set at almost exactly 12.5 psi, the low end of the spectrum. The Colts' footballs were set at a higher amount, as is Luck's preference (freakishly large hands like Rodgers). And ALL footballs lost PSI due to the weather conditions, fully consistent with SCIENCE. 3 of the 4 Colts' footballs measured at halftime? All below the 12.5 PSI as well. They just didn't fall as far below because they started at a higher PSI.

OR the official readings were off/bad to begin with. IE they didn't measure all the balls properly. Which is also very plausible given what we know about the nature of this. And if that's the case, that's not on the Patriots; that's on the NFL for improperly/negligently measuring their game balls.

Again, it's all basic math/science. But people keep trying to ignore these facts and bring in their own conspiracy theories in the opposite direction.

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

I posted this in the NFL thread; will post it here:

Honestly, it's just basic math. Go look at the readings, look at the report, look at the most plausible explanations by those involved, including the head official in charge of all this.

I honestly don't know how anyone can come to any other conclusion, plausibly, unless they're just looking for a reason to hate on the Patriots' success. The simplest explanation has always been, and remains (as I said when the initial reports came out):

The Patriots balls were set at almost exactly 12.5 psi, the low end of the spectrum. The Colts' footballs were set at a higher amount, as is Luck's preference (freakishly large hands like Rodgers). And ALL footballs lost PSI due to the weather conditions, fully consistent with SCIENCE. 3 of the 4 Colts' footballs measured at halftime? All below the 12.5 PSI as well. They just didn't fall as far below because they started at a higher PSI.

OR the official readings were off/bad to begin with. IE they didn't measure all the balls properly. Which is also very plausible given what we know about the nature of this. And if that's the case, that's not on the Patriots; that's on the NFL for improperly/negligently measuring their game balls.

Again, it's all basic math/science. But people keep trying to ignore these facts and bring in their own conspiracy theories in the opposite direction.

Yup, you're right and Ted Wells is just an imbecile.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

Why would the NFL hate the Patriots so much and voluntarily bring a controversy like this to the forefront? That conspiracy makes no sense.

Good Question.

Patriots have been one of the NFLs better franchises for years. It draws frequent nationally televised games and keeps the ratings up. Tom Brady is a poster child of the NFL and now...

It doesn't made sense that they would have it in for the Patriots.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

Dustin, why do you love the Patriots so much? Did you defend them this vehemently after spygate as well?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

Why would the NFL hate the Patriots so much and voluntarily bring a controversy like this to the forefront? That conspiracy makes no sense.

Good Question.

Patriots have been one of the NFLs better franchises for years. It draws frequent nationally televised games and keeps the ratings up. Tom Brady is a poster child of the NFL and now...

It doesn't made sense that they would have it in for the Patriots.

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Matt, the whole thing centers around how completely ridiculous the entire control of the ball practice is to begin with. This is just a start:

Troy Vincent and others in the league office had no idea game conditions effect air pressure of balls, and that pressure changes during the game. And admitted it. So a plausible theory is that they heard about reading being 1 PSI below during the game and thought: "We got 'em! Those cheaters!" Nevermind science is on the Patriots' (and Colts', whose balls were also below the mandatory PSI) side.
They have no regular system of actually checking air pressure of the balls. Lack of consistency in gauges, lots of stories about officials only checking game balls by "feel", etc.
They have no real system in place for monitoring the chain of custody for the footballs from inspection to game time.
They have no consistency on anything to do with game footballs. The Giants, for example, go through a months long process through a high-speed buffer to get balls "ready". Brad Johnson paid guys before the SuperBowl to "work balls in", etc. Either let offense do whatever the hell they want with air pressure, wear, etc. Or let them do nothing and have zero control of the balls ever.

Again, the whole thing comes across as the Negligent Folly League trying to bumble around and save face for total incompetence. To me at least.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

Why would the NFL hate the Patriots so much and voluntarily bring a controversy like this to the forefront? That conspiracy makes no sense.

Good Question.

Patriots have been one of the NFLs better franchises for years. It draws frequent nationally televised games and keeps the ratings up. Tom Brady is a poster child of the NFL and now...

It doesn't made sense that they would have it in for the Patriots.

That was exactly my first thought. I didn't know...and still don't know what exact evidence the NFL has. But I do know, if the evidence was at all flimsy it would have been the easiest thing in the world for them to sweep this under the rug and move on. Most of the sporting public had already forgotten about it. Why would the NFL want to drag it all out again, reveal cheating in its premier game, hit one of its premier teams and golden boy players with severe punishment and drag them through the mud?

That's the last thing in the world they would want to do.

I have to believe they would only take this action if it was a pretty open and shut case and they needed to make an example to other teams to not pull stuff like this.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: sixthwi

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/05/14/new-england-patriots-wells-report-deflator-weight-loss


Patriots say 'deflator' refers to equipment worker's weight loss

Just yet another thing that shows this whole thing is a sham from the NFL. If you read the context of the texts (which themselves are out of context) you will come to far different conclusions than the NFL. But oh, the horror, the Patriots were giving autographs and shoes to these guys. Umm, go ask ANY equipment manager in pro sports, at any level. That's often one of their big perks/payments.

What a joke this entire thing is. Give it up, NFL.

You don't actually believe that deflator actually means that do you???

I absolutely do. Every bit as plausible as the "fantasyland" conclusion of the NFL's "report". I use that term as loosely as possible. It's a witch hunt. Again, there is not even plausible/credible evidence that the balls were below 12.5 PSI pre-game! The NFL doesn't even know what gauge was used and they completely disregard the head ref's own recollection of which one he used, which if true, would completely dismiss the notion that the balls were underinflated at all. Go read the science on it. The Ideal Gas Law explains the drop completely. People keep disregarding this because the initial, erroneous, leaks were that the balls were "2 pounds under" when they were nothing of the sort.

On top of that, obviously the NFL wasn't too concerned about any of the process when they let the Patriots' equipment managers handle the footballs repeatedly in the midst of a "sting" operation.

Why would the NFL hate the Patriots so much and voluntarily bring a controversy like this to the forefront? That conspiracy makes no sense.

Good Question.

Patriots have been one of the NFLs better franchises for years. It draws frequent nationally televised games and keeps the ratings up. Tom Brady is a poster child of the NFL and now...

It doesn't made sense that they would have it in for the Patriots.

That was exactly my first thought. I didn't know...and still don't know what exact evidence the NFL has. But I do know, if the evidence was at all flimsy it would have been the easiest thing in the world for them to sweep this under the rug and move on. Most of the sporting public had already forgotten about it. Why would the NFL want to drag it all out again, reveal cheating in its premier game, hit one of its premier teams and golden boy players with severe punishment and drag them through the mud?

That's the last thing in the world they would want to do.

I have to believe they would only take this action if it was a pretty open and shut case and they needed to make an example to other teams to not pull stuff like this.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

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ORIGINAL: djskillz

Matt, the whole thing centers around how completely ridiculous the entire control of the ball practice is to begin with. This is just a start:

Troy Vincent and others in the league office had no idea game conditions effect air pressure of balls, and that pressure changes during the game. And admitted it. So a plausible theory is that they heard about reading being 1 PSI below during the game and thought: "We got 'em! Those cheaters!" Nevermind science is on the Patriots' (and Colts', whose balls were also below the mandatory PSI) side.
They have no regular system of actually checking air pressure of the balls. Lack of consistency in gauges, lots of stories about officials only checking game balls by "feel", etc.
They have no real system in place for monitoring the chain of custody for the footballs from inspection to game time.
They have no consistency on anything to do with game footballs. The Giants, for example, go through a months long process through a high-speed buffer to get balls "ready". Brad Johnson paid guys before the SuperBowl to "work balls in", etc. Either let offense do whatever the hell they want with air pressure, wear, etc. Or let them do nothing and have zero control of the balls ever.

Again, the whole thing comes across as the Negligent Folly League trying to bumble around and save face for total incompetence. To me at least.

If Brad Johnson and the Giants QB's have doctored balls in the past, what makes you think Brady wasn't orchestrating doctoring of balls? I'm sure he's not the only active QB that has been coordinating this type of thing, but to claim he didn't do it is kind of unbelievable. "The guy is referred to as The Deflater because he's heavy and trying to lose weight." That's awesome.

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ORIGINAL: twinsfan

This is reminiscent of hearing people argue that global warming does not exist. Or the periodic table is a sha.....