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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/28/2025 11:52:23 AM

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I think Naz's defensive deficiencies are a bit overstated. Personally, I think he has improved. He's better on ball than at team defense to be sure. Being a tweener hurts him. He gets overpowered by the heftier bigs, and can get left flat footed by speedier wings. You can say that about a lot of people. Is Naz a key defender? Not even close, but I think he is adequate and better than players like Randle.

Just my take, FWIW.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/28/2025 12:12:59 PM

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I think Naz's defensive deficiencies are a bit overstated. Personally, I think he has improved. He's better on ball than at team defense to be sure. Being a tweener hurts him. He gets overpowered by the heftier bigs, and can get left flat footed by speedier wings. You can say that about a lot of people. Is Naz a key defender? Not even close, but I think he is adequate and better than players like Randle.

Just my take, FWIW.

Randle is actually really good against bigger guys. He was shockingly great against LeBron, Luka and Draymond. But he gets killed by fast, long players.

Most of Naz's problems are awareness and he has heavy feet on defense.

He's been a net negative in the Playoffs the past 2 years. That needs to change.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/29/2025 10:01:44 AM

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It looks like today is decision day for Randle, so we should know something soon. He won me over at the end of the season and into the playoffs to the point where I considered him more of a priority than Naz to keep. He brought badly needed toughness and a legit 2nd scoring option.

My guess is Randle stays. Bad news is, that may mean the end for NAW. Several teams are likely interested in him and Wolves wouldn’t have much left to offer him.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/29/2025 12:31:52 PM

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Shams Charania@ShamsCharania
BREAKING: Three-time NBA All-Star Julius Randle intends to sign a new three-year, $100 million deal to stay with the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. The deal includes a player option for the 2027-28 season.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/29/2025 1:50:04 PM

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BREAKING: Three-time NBA All-Star Julius Randle intends to sign a new three-year, $100 million deal to stay with the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. The deal includes a player option for the 2027-28 season.

Guess that means they're voiding his last year on the current deal.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/29/2025 2:35:10 PM

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Shams Charania@ShamsCharania
BREAKING: Three-time NBA All-Star Julius Randle intends to sign a new three-year, $100 million deal to stay with the Minnesota Timberwolves, sources tell ESPN. The deal includes a player option for the 2027-28 season.

Guess that means they're voiding his last year on the current deal.

He's opting out.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/29/2025 6:11:38 PM

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The Minnesota Timberwolves declined team options on Luka Garza ($2.35 million) and Josh Minott ($2.19 million) for the 2025-26 season, league sources told @hoopshype.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/29/2025 7:45:44 PM

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Who will be our new human victory cigar with Garza gone?

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 10:00:34 AM

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Reading a bit more about the circumstances surrounding the Wolves and the #31 pick, I didn't realize that the expectations for most players drafted #31-#40 (or around that area) include a spot on the 15-man roster. Guys like Fleming were insisting on a roster spot rather than being agreeable to a 2-way deal. So essentially, the Wolves traded back until they found a guy with upside willing to accept a 2-way deal. And the Wolves picked up some cash and a couple future second round picks in the process.

Maybe it was an unreasonable hope they could turn #31 into a future first. If they couldn't do that, the above seems like a reasonable path.

That's what I was saying. Most of these guys will be locked onto the major league roster. No G League.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 10:36:28 AM

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Reading a bit more about the circumstances surrounding the Wolves and the #31 pick, I didn't realize that the expectations for most players drafted #31-#40 (or around that area) include a spot on the 15-man roster. Guys like Fleming were insisting on a roster spot rather than being agreeable to a 2-way deal. So essentially, the Wolves traded back until they found a guy with upside willing to accept a 2-way deal. And the Wolves picked up some cash and a couple future second round picks in the process.

Maybe it was an unreasonable hope they could turn #31 into a future first. If they couldn't do that, the above seems like a reasonable path.

That's what I was saying. Most of these guys will be locked onto the major league roster. No G League.

Dude. Just stop. There is nothing in any contract "locking guys onto major league rosters" And nothing Elliot posted contradicts that.

Many mid-late 1st round picks and MOST 2nd round picks spend time in the G-League.

Elliot was talking about the difference between full contracts and 2-Way contracts.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 11:16:57 AM

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Who will be our new human victory cigar with Garza gone?

Neither was worth their contract; both should be 1 mil minimum 2-way contracts.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 11:19:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: Elliot

Reading a bit more about the circumstances surrounding the Wolves and the #31 pick, I didn't realize that the expectations for most players drafted #31-#40 (or around that area) include a spot on the 15-man roster. Guys like Fleming were insisting on a roster spot rather than being agreeable to a 2-way deal. So essentially, the Wolves traded back until they found a guy with upside willing to accept a 2-way deal. And the Wolves picked up some cash and a couple future second round picks in the process.

Maybe it was an unreasonable hope they could turn #31 into a future first. If they couldn't do that, the above seems like a reasonable path.

That's what I was saying. Most of these guys will be locked onto the major league roster. No G League.

Dude. Just stop. There is nothing in any contract "locking guys onto major league rosters" And nothing Elliot posted contradicts that.

Many mid-late 1st round picks and MOST 2nd round picks spend time in the G-League.

Elliot was talking about the difference between full contracts and 2-Way contracts.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 11:25:32 AM

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Skor North thinks a Tyus Jones signing makes sense for a mil or 2 and they have room under the 2nd apron by 10-12 million is sounds?

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 11:36:19 AM

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Who will be our new human victory cigar with Garza gone?

Neither was worth their contract; both should be 1 mil minimum 2-way contracts.

2-ways don't count towards roster spots.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 11:40:26 AM

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Skor North thinks a Tyus Jones signing makes sense for a mil or 2 and they have room under the 2nd apron by 10-12 million is sounds?

They can think that, but a minimum contract for Tyus would be $3,303,771.

I believe we have about 9M to spend on 2 players and stay under the 2nd apron..

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 12:16:50 PM

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Skor North thinks a Tyus Jones signing makes sense for a mil or 2 and they have room under the 2nd apron by 10-12 million is sounds?

They can think that, but a minimum contract for Tyus would be $3,303,771.

I believe we have about 9M to spend on 2 players and stay under the 2nd apron..

Actually its a 3.6M salary for Tyus, but as a veteran, it would only be a 2.3M cap hit.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 12:25:43 PM

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Tyus might be looking for more than the minimum. He signed with the Suns last season on a discount not sure he's willing to do it again.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 12:30:40 PM

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Tyus might be looking for more than the minimum. He signed with the Suns last season on a discount not sure he's willing to do it again.

He didn't really do anything to raise his value. Lost his starting gig to a 2-way player...

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 12:46:58 PM

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Ingles is back for the minimum.

That's fine. We were always going to sign one player for the minimum, so it might as well be a well liked one that doesn't expect to play. Looks like we can still use the full tax-payer exception.

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The Wolves now have 13 players under contract for next season, and must roster a minimum of 14. So at least one free agent to go.

The question is how much can they spend on that free agent. And I believe the answer is the full taxpayer mid-level exception ($5.685M).

I have the Wolves $7,540,297 below the 2nd apron -- assuming Randle and Reid's contracts both scale up with 8% raises annually.

However, Donte DiVincenzo ($750k) and Jaden McDaniels ($1M) have "unlikely bonuses" in their contracts for next season -- and those incentives do count against the 2nd apron.

(Julius Randle also had $1.5M in unlikely bonuses in his previous deal, but by *not* opting in to his player option and instead signing for basically the same number but without the unlikely incentives, at the personal advantage of locking up more long-term money, that $1.5M that would have counted against the 2nd apron is no longer there. I need to confirm that's what happened with Randle's incentives -- but I know it was trending that way to be the plan.)

So we take the $7,540,297 (current space) - $1,750,000 (McDaniels and DiVincenzo incentives) and that leaves the Wolves with $5,790,297 in spending power below the 2nd apron.

It would be *tight* up against the 2nd apron, and they would be hard-capped at the 2nd apron if they used it, but the Wolves *could* use the taxpayer midlevel exception to sign a free agent for up to $5,685,000.

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RE: 2024-25 Postmortem Offseason and Draft - 6/30/2025 8:46:46 PM

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We do a sign and trade of NAW for a Trade exception and a 2027 2nd rounder.
So nice to see us win on these moves at such a high rate.

Boston signed Lukka to a two year deal at the same rate.

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