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Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 9:57:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

And after six weeks it's complete. Net average bolded.

9 Jeff Locke DET P 27 1,222 1,140 54 45.3 42.2 0 3 2 11 0 11 11 82 0
12 Bryan Anger TB P 21 933 872 62 44.4 41.5 0 2 4 9 0 9 6 61 0
12 Donnie Jones PHI P 23 1,050 954 59 45.7 41.5 0 4 2 6 2 5 10 56 0
14 Michael Palardy CAR P 21 938 869 60 44.7 41.4 0 4 1 6 2 8 6 29 0
15 Matt Haack MIA P 27 1,265 1,111 64 46.9 41.1 0 3 6 9 3 5 10 94 0
15 Shane Lechler HOU P 32 1,602 1,315 68 50.1 41.1 0 2 3 11 0 7 20 287 1
17 Riley Dixon DEN P 18 822 738 55 45.7 41.0 0 2 3 6 1 5 7 64 0
17 Kevin Huber CIN P 26 1,220 1,067 61 46.9 41.0 0 3 2 13 0 5 16 153 0
17 Drew Kaser LAC P 28 1,397 1,147 68 49.9 41.0 0 2 3 10 5 1 17 150 0
20 Chris Jones DAL P 20 878 813 62 43.9 40.7 0 3 3 12 1 5 8 45 0
21 Matt Bosher ATL P 15 672 609 62 44.8 40.6 0 1 2 7 0 7 5 63 0
22 Thomas Morstead NO P 19 927 769 68 48.8 40.5 0 2 2 8 1 3 11 138 1
22 Ryan Quigley MIN P 26 1,086 1,054 55 41.8 40.5 0 5 0 12 0 13 8 32 0


You do realize that Locke got pretty big money from Indy....I don't think we wanted him gone. Walsh has way more talent than Kai but is a headcase.....I don't know how you can blame him for that.



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:00:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: David F.

And after six weeks it's complete. Net average bolded.

9 Jeff Locke DET P 27 1,222 1,140 54 45.3 42.2 0 3 2 11 0 11 11 82 0
12 Bryan Anger TB P 21 933 872 62 44.4 41.5 0 2 4 9 0 9 6 61 0
12 Donnie Jones PHI P 23 1,050 954 59 45.7 41.5 0 4 2 6 2 5 10 56 0
14 Michael Palardy CAR P 21 938 869 60 44.7 41.4 0 4 1 6 2 8 6 29 0
15 Matt Haack MIA P 27 1,265 1,111 64 46.9 41.1 0 3 6 9 3 5 10 94 0
15 Shane Lechler HOU P 32 1,602 1,315 68 50.1 41.1 0 2 3 11 0 7 20 287 1
17 Riley Dixon DEN P 18 822 738 55 45.7 41.0 0 2 3 6 1 5 7 64 0
17 Kevin Huber CIN P 26 1,220 1,067 61 46.9 41.0 0 3 2 13 0 5 16 153 0
17 Drew Kaser LAC P 28 1,397 1,147 68 49.9 41.0 0 2 3 10 5 1 17 150 0
20 Chris Jones DAL P 20 878 813 62 43.9 40.7 0 3 3 12 1 5 8 45 0
21 Matt Bosher ATL P 15 672 609 62 44.8 40.6 0 1 2 7 0 7 5 63 0
22 Thomas Morstead NO P 19 927 769 68 48.8 40.5 0 2 2 8 1 3 11 138 1
22 Ryan Quigley MIN P 26 1,086 1,054 55 41.8 40.5 0 5 0 12 0 13 8 32 0


You do realize that Locke got pretty big money from Indy....I don't think we wanted him gone. Walsh has way more talent than Kai but is a headcase.....I don't know how you can blame him for that.



I don't care about the contracts or who is punting or kicking. Focus more on what happens to players' performance before, during, and after their time under Priefer.



Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:04:47 AM)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/punting

Look at Fair Catches, In20, and return yards and tell me again Quigley isn't doing a good job for a rookie.



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:07:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/punting

Look at Fair Catches, In20, and return yards and tell me again Quigley isn't doing a good job for a rookie.


Quigley isn't a rookie - he's in his fifth season as a pro.



Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:11:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

http://www.espn.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/punting

Look at Fair Catches, In20, and return yards and tell me again Quigley isn't doing a good job for a rookie.


Quigley isn't a rookie - he's in his fifth season as a pro.

Didn't realize that...my bad....must have been thinking of the rookie punter we cut. Still he is doing good in those categories though (In20, Return Yards, and FC).



Todd M -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:29:40 AM)

2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.



Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:45:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.


Is that Zimmer's call or Priefers call? I'll take 4-2, punts inside the 20, Fair Catches, and minimal return yardage all year long guys.

What do you expect out of Quigley should be my question and what are you expecting out of Priefer? If you just want him fired because you don't like him that is one thing but which game has he cost us this year?

Which games did he cost us last year that was a part of the Blair Walsh meltdown project?



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 10:52:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.


Is that Zimmer's call or Priefers call? I'll take 4-2, punts inside the 20, Fair Catches, and minimal return yardage all year long guys.

What do you expect out of Quigley should be my question and what are you expecting out of Priefer? If you just want him fired because you don't like him that is one thing but which game has he cost us this year?

Which games did he cost us last year that was a part of the Blair Walsh meltdown project?


I expect that at least one - ONE FREAKING GUY - to not get worse under Priefer or not immediately improve once free of him. In other words - I expect the bare ass minimum. What do you expect? That he physically stands there on the sideline?



Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 12:47:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.


Is that Zimmer's call or Priefers call? I'll take 4-2, punts inside the 20, Fair Catches, and minimal return yardage all year long guys.

What do you expect out of Quigley should be my question and what are you expecting out of Priefer? If you just want him fired because you don't like him that is one thing but which game has he cost us this year?

Which games did he cost us last year that was a part of the Blair Walsh meltdown project?


I expect that at least one - ONE FREAKING GUY - to not get worse under Priefer or not immediately improve once free of him. In other words - I expect the bare ass minimum. What do you expect? That he physically stands there on the sideline?


I look at the KR teams, PR teams, FG, etc. We have been very solid. You are looking for excuses to get rid of the guy and I am sorry to say---they aren't there right now David.



thebigo -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 1:04:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Todd M
2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.


Is that Zimmer's call or Priefers call? I'll take 4-2, punts inside the 20, Fair Catches, and minimal return yardage all year long guys.

What do you expect out of Quigley should be my question and what are you expecting out of Priefer? If you just want him fired because you don't like him that is one thing but which game has he cost us this year?

Which games did he cost us last year that was a part of the Blair Walsh meltdown project?


I expect that at least one - ONE FREAKING GUY - to not get worse under Priefer or not immediately improve once free of him. In other words - I expect the bare ass minimum. What do you expect? That he physically stands there on the sideline?


So is a punter with a 42 yard net more effective than a punter with a 40 yard net? At punting.



thebigo -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 1:09:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.


I don't think David F would be highlighting that, because it is not factored into net punting average, and would potentially explain away the distinctions he is trying to promote. He's hardly alone in that category, most of us are there to some extent



Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 1:46:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

2nd last in avg which means he's doing a lot of what David's been highlighting. Punting on a short field and getting a short fair catch. Heck, field position probably matters little. We sacrifice field position with short punts even though we have good coverage units because Priefer coaches conservative.


I don't think David F would be highlighting that, because it is not factored into net punting average, and would potentially explain away the distinctions he is trying to promote. He's hardly alone in that category, most of us are there to some extent


Have they been giving up PR TD, KR TD, ST plays that are hurting the team game in and game out?

I see a coach who would rather punt when inside the opponents 50 then go for it 4th & short because our defense has been very good on long fields....is that on Priefer?

Which of the 2 games we lost did the ST cost us the game? Usually a ST coach isn't going to lose their job unless they cost us the game....I think the Punter play against Pitt was bad but outside of that play I haven't seen anything that is going to cost Priefer his job.



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 1:50:16 PM)

I've got an entire thread full of why I believe Priefer is a terrible coach. It's all right here. Rather than me repeat what's already right here why don't you just simply post the his positives. Tell us what you like about him. Common answers in the past have been the two fake punts we executed in past seasons. Others have been that we don't have to worry about returns for TDs. Let's hear it.



Phil Riewer -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 1:55:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.
I've got an entire thread full of why I believe Priefer is a terrible coach. It's all right here. Rather than me repeat what's already right here why don't you just simply post the his positives. Tell us what you like about him. Common answers in the past have been the two fake punts we executed in past seasons. Others have been that we don't have to worry about returns for TDs. Let's hear it.

Do you know what the HC okays him to do? IMO Zimmer wants him to play straight up special teams.

You don't need to take chances if you can beat a team straight up---pretty much been Zimmer's philosophy all along outside of PR and KR big plays......needed ST help against Detroit and Pittsburgh.



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 2:06:53 PM)

Players. Do. Shitty. Under. Prieffer. And. Get. Better. When. Away. From. Him.

In regards to the field position - I get it - and I even support it. However - punting 30 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 18 is stupid stupid football. We'd be better off throwing a mini-hail mary pass or trying to coffin corner it every time. Can we punt it - say - 40 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 8? No. No we can't. Or at least we don't. Why? You got me there. I have no idea.



Daniel Lee Young -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 3:02:04 PM)

I’m guessing a “special” teams coach, who should have his own “special headgear” made a “special” instruction not to kick to the coffin corner, because that would require “advanced” as opposed to “special” coaching....



Guest -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 3:35:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Players. Do. Shitty. Under. Prieffer. And. Get. Better. When. Away. From. Him.

In regards to the field position - I get it - and I even support it. However - punting 30 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 18 is stupid stupid football. We'd be better off throwing a mini-hail mary pass or trying to coffin corner it every time. Can we punt it - say - 40 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 8? No. No we can't. Or at least we don't. Why? You got me there. I have no idea.

I don't really give a shit about Preiffer ... not to the extent that you do ... but I'm not seeing many punters doing what you expect from ours. It's not a chip shot punting out of bounds inside the 10 ... from anywhere.



Guest -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 3:37:17 PM)

And Kluwe did not do better away from Preiffer.
Neither is Patterson.
Pretty much the same players they were here.



thebigo -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 4:10:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I've got an entire thread full of why I believe Priefer is a terrible coach. It's all right here. Rather than me repeat what's already right here why don't you just simply post the his positives. Tell us what you like about him. Common answers in the past have been the two fake punts we executed in past seasons. Others have been that we don't have to worry about returns for TDs. Let's hear it.


Nah, we're not in an unhealthy co-dependent relationship with the Mike Priefer. It's a good thing, he'd send us to a desert isle and nuke it.



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 4:30:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Art

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Players. Do. Shitty. Under. Prieffer. And. Get. Better. When. Away. From. Him.

In regards to the field position - I get it - and I even support it. However - punting 30 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 18 is stupid stupid football. We'd be better off throwing a mini-hail mary pass or trying to coffin corner it every time. Can we punt it - say - 40 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 8? No. No we can't. Or at least we don't. Why? You got me there. I have no idea.

I don't really give a shit about Preiffer ... not to the extent that you do ... but I'm not seeing many punters doing what you expect from ours. It's not a chip shot punting out of bounds inside the 10 ... from anywhere.



You don't see other punters getting fair catches at the 8? Staying out of the bottom 1/3 of the league?



bohumm -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 4:36:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Players. Do. Shitty. Under. Prieffer. And. Get. Better. When. Away. From. Him.

In regards to the field position - I get it - and I even support it. However - punting 30 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 18 is stupid stupid football. We'd be better off throwing a mini-hail mary pass or trying to coffin corner it every time. Can we punt it - say - 40 yards from our own 48 to be fair caught at the 8? No. No we can't. Or at least we don't. Why? You got me there. I have no idea.

I can tell you why: if we punt 40 yards from our own 48, it would be fair-caught at the 12. Booyah, solved.



Guest -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 4:46:03 PM)

Our punter averages 41.8 gross and 40.5 net.
Average return = 1.3 yards.

The league average net is 42.3

I'm much more concerned with our red zone offense.



Ricky J -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 4:48:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Art

Our punter averages 41.8 gross and 40.5 net.
Average return = 1.3 yards.

The league average net is 42.3

I'm much more concerned with our red zone offense.

What's wrong with 1.3 yds return?



Guest -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 4:54:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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ORIGINAL: Art

Our punter averages 41.8 gross and 40.5 net.
Average return = 1.3 yards.

The league average net is 42.3

I'm much more concerned with our red zone offense.

What's wrong with 1.3 yds return?

Got to ask David F that.
I'm OK with how our ST's are playing except for not taking a knee when the kickoff is 5-10 yards deep in the end zone.



David F. -> RE: Mike Priefer must GO (10/17/2017 6:58:05 PM)

So other than our punting, kick returns, PATs, fakes, defending fakes, and punt returns our special teams are A - OK. So other than that Mrs Lincoln how was the play?



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