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On McCoughtry, I am more with David. She is a great offensive player, but I wouldn't put in her in the league superstar class of player. The great players don't become unravelled the way she did in this series. She had the look of a player who had thrown in the towel tonight. In the second half the Dream were actually better when she was off the floor.

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I guess it also depends on your definition of a superstar.

To me its a player that you build a contender around. And its more than just putting up numbers.

And there aren't very many of them.

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Superstars like Lebron and Kobe do not unravel and throw in the towel in a championship series like Angel did. Not a superstar.

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The Lynx have a number of players who you could make a case for being a superstar. The cool thing about the team is that they are very deep and they play well as a team together on both ends of the floor.

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Superstars like Lebron and Kobe do not unravel and throw in the towel in a championship series like Angel did. Not a superstar.

Lebron had the one comparably very bad finals. Kobe has had several very bad finals. Lebron had the one series that MANY people said he threw in the towel against Boston and ripped his jersey off at the end of the game. I disagree that he threw in the towel but that is what many believe. Angel had one bad finals after having two very good finals. She was a bit demoralized clearly. It can happen to people. How will she respond to this in the future? We will find out over the next few years.

Once again you are basing this non superstar on one bad finals. It is your right. There is no official definition of a superstar. I am going with three finals in four years and the last two scoring titles as being enough to warrant superstar designation. Tell me another player who has accomplished that and I think I would say that player is a superstar.

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I guess it also depends on your definition of a superstar.

To me its a player that you build a contender around. And its more than just putting up numbers.

And there aren't very many of them.

Getting to three finals in four years is DEFINITELY a contender. She is the player that team is built around. She is a superstar. You may not like her but that doesn't change the facts.

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Did Minnyme survive the celebration?

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Superstars like Lebron and Kobe do not unravel and throw in the towel in a championship series like Angel did. Not a superstar.

Lebron had the one comparably very bad finals. Kobe has had several very bad finals. Angel had one bad finals after having two very good finals. Once again you are basing this non superstar on one bad finals. It is your right. There is no official definition of a superstar. I am going with three finals in four years and the last two scoring titles as being enough to warrant superstar designation. Tell me another player who has accomplished that and I think I would say that player is a superstar.

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Superstars like Lebron and Kobe do not unravel and throw in the towel in a championship series like Angel did. Not a superstar.

Lebron had the one comparably very bad finals. Kobe has had several very bad finals. Angel had one bad finals after having two very good finals. Once again you are basing this non superstar on one bad finals. It is your right. There is no official definition of a superstar. I am going with three finals in four years and the last two scoring titles as being enough to warrant superstar designation. Tell me another player who has accomplished that and I think I would say that player is a superstar.

Performing poorly in the championship is not the same as phoning it in, which is precisely what Angel did in the last 2 games. It wasn't that she played poorly, it's that she played like a defeated player.

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Did Minnyme survive the celebration?

Why yes, yes I did [sm=occasion14.gif] Thanks for asking [;)]
Only the parade followed by an early happy hour left to end the 2013 celabration of the 2013 WNBA Champion MN Lynx !

Didn't go down to ATL .... I mean Duluth for the game this year. It is less stressful & more fun to be there in person though.

Did go to the Riverview Thearter which was packed, a few single seats here or there. Was very lively of course.

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As for the Angel discussion, she really is a freakishly athletic player, VERY quick. She is a scorer but not a great shooter. She really isn’t surrounded by that much talent. But it is her attitude during games that's a turnoff.

I guess when speaking of superstars, media can dub players superstars, fans tab their own superstars and then coaches/players make up game plans around.
When it comes to game plans, Seimone is at the top of lists; Whalen is at the top of lists. That opened things up for Maya as she’s come along. That has been key to Maya’s development. She’s incredibly talented & smart enough to know this, says it all the time, that it’s been key to her learning & just playing the game.

But, Maya has NEVER had to carry the load for an entire WNBA team through a season. And she won’t as long as she is playing alongside healthy players like Augustus, Whalen & Brunson because they make her life easier. She’s been very fortunate.

Angel hasn't had this luxury. She’s had 3 different PGs in 3 different finals. This year, Angel was surrounded by some young talent, no true point guard (point by committee) and a talented but overly emotional center. Not to mention a head coach who was waaaay too passive to me. The fact that Angel has got ATL to 3 finals really is admirable considering maybe only once have they been the favorite to come out of the East. But looking at the East conference, it’s a mess. Lots of injuries to teams or new coaches or full of young players. Most of the top talent, superstars if you will, are in the West.

Just thinking, say Maya was in Angle's place, would the Dream be a better team? I think so. (no need for me to do a full swap & have Angel w/the Lyxn cuz I gotta believe Reeve would move her for another missing piece lol )

Anyway, just glad we have the team we've got. Our Lynx are the class of the league hands down. [sm=thumb.gif]

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Superstars like Lebron and Kobe do not unravel and throw in the towel in a championship series like Angel did. Not a superstar.

Lebron had the one comparably very bad finals. Kobe has had several very bad finals. Angel had one bad finals after having two very good finals. Once again you are basing this non superstar on one bad finals. It is your right. There is no official definition of a superstar. I am going with three finals in four years and the last two scoring titles as being enough to warrant superstar designation. Tell me another player who has accomplished that and I think I would say that player is a superstar.

Performing poorly in the championship is not the same as phoning it in, which is precisely what Angel did in the last 2 games. It wasn't that she played poorly, it's that she played like a defeated player.

That is exactly what they said about Lebron in the Boston series. How about the game where Kobe refused to take a shot. Superstars still have their times when they play like a defeated player. Happens all the time.
I get that you don't like Angel I don't either, but to say she isn't a superstar just defies all the usual definitions of what a superstar is.

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I guess it also depends on your definition of a superstar.

To me its a player that you build a contender around. And its more than just putting up numbers.

And there aren't very many of them.

Getting to three finals in four years is DEFINITELY a contender. She is the player that team is built around. She is a superstar. You may not like her but that doesn't change the facts.

Opinions, not facts.

I'd argue that De Souza is a more vital player than Angel. Unfortunately De Souza really only gets to exploit her scoring mismatches when Angel is on the bench, since Angel refuses to feed the post.

And I would never pick Angel to build a team around. Hell, if they offered her to us for our 2nd round pick I'd say no (unless we could flip her to another team). Angel is an absolute chemistry killer.

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Did Minnyme survive the celebration?

Why yes, yes I did [sm=occasion14.gif] Thanks for asking [;)]
Only the parade followed by an early happy hour left to end the 2013 celabration of the 2013 WNBA Champion MN Lynx !

Didn't go down to ATL .... I mean Duluth for the game this year. It is less stressful & more fun to be there in person though.

Did go to the Riverview Thearter which was packed, a few single seats here or there. Was very lively of course.

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As for the Angel discussion, she really is a freakishly athletic player, VERY quick. She is a scorer but not a great shooter. She really isn’t surrounded by that much talent. But it is her attitude during games that's a turnoff.

I guess when speaking of superstars, media can dub players superstars, fans tab their own superstars and then coaches/players make up game plans around.
When it comes to game plans, Seimone is at the top of lists; Whalen is at the top of lists. That opened things up for Maya as she’s come along. That has been key to Maya’s development. She’s incredibly talented & smart enough to know this, says it all the time, that it’s been key to her learning & just playing the game.

But, Maya has NEVER had to carry the load for an entire WNBA team through a season. And she won’t as long as she is playing alongside healthy players like Augustus, Whalen & Brunson because they make her life easier. She’s been very fortunate.

Angel hasn't had this luxury. She’s had 3 different PGs in 3 different finals. This year, Angel was surrounded by some young talent, no true point guard (point by committee) and a talented but overly emotional center. Not to mention a head coach who was waaaay too passive to me. The fact that Angel has got ATL to 3 finals really is admirable considering maybe only once have they been the favorite to come out of the East. But looking at the East conference, it’s a mess. Lots of injuries to teams or new coaches or full of young players. Most of the top talent, superstars if you will, are in the West.

Just thinking, say Maya was in Angle's place, would the Dream be a better team? I think so. (no need for me to do a full swap & have Angel w/the Lyxn cuz I gotta believe Reeve would move her for another missing piece lol )

Anyway, just glad we have the team we've got. Our Lynx are the class of the league hands down. [sm=thumb.gif]

Excellent analysis. Thanks for being a voice of reason.

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Superstars like Lebron and Kobe do not unravel and throw in the towel in a championship series like Angel did. Not a superstar.

Lebron had the one comparably very bad finals. Kobe has had several very bad finals. Angel had one bad finals after having two very good finals. Once again you are basing this non superstar on one bad finals. It is your right. There is no official definition of a superstar. I am going with three finals in four years and the last two scoring titles as being enough to warrant superstar designation. Tell me another player who has accomplished that and I think I would say that player is a superstar.

Performing poorly in the championship is not the same as phoning it in, which is precisely what Angel did in the last 2 games. It wasn't that she played poorly, it's that she played like a defeated player.

That is exactly what they said about Lebron in the Boston series. How about the game where Kobe refused to take a shot. Superstars still have their times when they play like a defeated player. Happens all the time.
I get that you don't like Angel I don't either, but to say she isn't a superstar just defies all the usual definitions of what a superstar is.

Defies YOUR definition of what a superstar is.

Obviously not mine or Tim's.