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Anyone know the length of Zimmers contract ext given in 2016?

If it is up after 2019 he would be on a one year lame duck contract next season. This is never a good thing to get players to buy in.

Information on all that isn't easy to nail down. It was a 2 year ext given after his 3rd year. He just finished year 5...what was his initial contract - 5 years? If it was 5 he would be good through 2020 then. If it was 4 then next year would be his last under contract.

I read this AM that both he and RS have 1 more year only.

Hmm, if true that is not ideal.

Maybe, what do I know...maybe it forces them to get out of their comfort zone and lock some shit down.

Sounds like the perfect time to turn the page on both

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Big offseason for Rick:
Find two competent interior guys. Probably need one in FA and one in the draft. The unfortunate situation, last year in a draft teeming with interior guys that could start day 1, we chose none of them. This year the draft is thin/not good/terrible for interior guys that can start.
Need a WR that can stretch the field. If we have that, we can probably get by with a restructured contract Ruddy. So many teams have WRs picked after the third round that have promise. Who on our roster showed that kind of promise? Beebe for sure, but he's a 3rd down/slot kinda guy. Otherwise we need a TE that can stretch the field.

Big offseason for Zimmer.
Got outcoached in the majority of our losses: Mcvay/Rams. Nagy/Bears 2x, NE/Billy. I don't singularly blame him for the NO, BUF, or SEA losses.
Needs to self-scout his performance and figure that s*** out asap.

Big offseason for Cousins.
Love his talent. Best option/choice we had and I'm excited for yr two. Horrible at improv. I don't know if you can fix it, but he needs to work on that.

Historically we've done pretty well there.

We did well on Diggs and Thielan. I don't care about anything before the current roster. Is there ANY WR talent on our roster after them?

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#Vikings owners Zygi and Mark Wilf sat in on the final team meeting today, as they do every season, and both reiterated their belief in coach Mike Zimmer and GM Rick Spielman, sources tell me and @RapSheet. "There won't be changes here," one source said.

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Big offseason for Rick:
Find two competent interior guys. Probably need one in FA and one in the draft. The unfortunate situation, last year in a draft teeming with interior guys that could start day 1, we chose none of them. This year the draft is thin/not good/terrible for interior guys that can start.
Need a WR that can stretch the field. If we have that, we can probably get by with a restructured contract Ruddy. So many teams have WRs picked after the third round that have promise. Who on our roster showed that kind of promise? Beebe for sure, but he's a 3rd down/slot kinda guy. Otherwise we need a TE that can stretch the field.

Big offseason for Zimmer.
Got outcoached in the majority of our losses: Mcvay/Rams. Nagy/Bears 2x, NE/Billy. I don't singularly blame him for the NO, BUF, or SEA losses.
Needs to self-scout his performance and figure that s*** out asap.

Big offseason for Cousins.
Love his talent. Best option/choice we had and I'm excited for yr two. Horrible at improv. I don't know if you can fix it, but he needs to work on that.

247 Sports says the offensive line talent is actually better than 2018, that may or may not be true, and that doesn't necessarily mean interior guys, but with the wealth of defensive guys at the top it might mean we can trade down from 18 and get some quality interior guys, maybe 3 picks from about #24 (best OG in the draft?) or so through our 2nd rounder at #50.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Big offseason for Rick:
Find two competent interior guys. Probably need one in FA and one in the draft. The unfortunate situation, last year in a draft teeming with interior guys that could start day 1, we chose none of them. This year the draft is thin/not good/terrible for interior guys that can start.
Need a WR that can stretch the field. If we have that, we can probably get by with a restructured contract Ruddy. So many teams have WRs picked after the third round that have promise. Who on our roster showed that kind of promise? Beebe for sure, but he's a 3rd down/slot kinda guy. Otherwise we need a TE that can stretch the field.

Big offseason for Zimmer.
Got outcoached in the majority of our losses: Mcvay/Rams. Nagy/Bears 2x, NE/Billy. I don't singularly blame him for the NO, BUF, or SEA losses.
Needs to self-scout his performance and figure that s*** out asap.

Big offseason for Cousins.
Love his talent. Best option/choice we had and I'm excited for yr two. Horrible at improv. I don't know if you can fix it, but he needs to work on that.

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Big offseason for Rick:
Find two competent interior guys. Probably need one in FA and one in the draft. The unfortunate situation, last year in a draft teeming with interior guys that could start day 1, we chose none of them. This year the draft is thin/not good/terrible for interior guys that can start.
Need a WR that can stretch the field. If we have that, we can probably get by with a restructured contract Ruddy. So many teams have WRs picked after the third round that have promise. Who on our roster showed that kind of promise? Beebe for sure, but he's a 3rd down/slot kinda guy. Otherwise we need a TE that can stretch the field.

Big offseason for Zimmer.
Got outcoached in the majority of our losses: Mcvay/Rams. Nagy/Bears 2x, NE/Billy. I don't singularly blame him for the NO, BUF, or SEA losses.
Needs to self-scout his performance and figure that s*** out asap.

Big offseason for Cousins.
Love his talent. Best option/choice we had and I'm excited for yr two. Horrible at improv. I don't know if you can fix it, but he needs to work on that.

247 Sports says the offensive line talent is actually better than 2018, that may or may not be true, and that doesn't necessarily mean interior guys, but with the wealth of defensive guys at the top it might mean we can trade down from 18 and get some quality interior guys, maybe 3 picks from about #24 (best OG in the draft?) or so through our 2nd rounder at #50.

I dont know who writes for 247 Sports, but us Vikings fans know that last years mediocre line was miles ahead of the garbage line we put out there this year.

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Big offseason for Rick:
Find two competent interior guys. Probably need one in FA and one in the draft. The unfortunate situation, last year in a draft teeming with interior guys that could start day 1, we chose none of them. This year the draft is thin/not good/terrible for interior guys that can start.
Need a WR that can stretch the field. If we have that, we can probably get by with a restructured contract Ruddy. So many teams have WRs picked after the third round that have promise. Who on our roster showed that kind of promise? Beebe for sure, but he's a 3rd down/slot kinda guy. Otherwise we need a TE that can stretch the field.

Big offseason for Zimmer.
Got outcoached in the majority of our losses: Mcvay/Rams. Nagy/Bears 2x, NE/Billy. I don't singularly blame him for the NO, BUF, or SEA losses.
Needs to self-scout his performance and figure that s*** out asap.

Big offseason for Cousins.
Love his talent. Best option/choice we had and I'm excited for yr two. Horrible at improv. I don't know if you can fix it, but he needs to work on that.

If the draft is weak for interior offensive lineman, Spielman better move heaven and earth to find 2 of them in FA.

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Not a lot of standout FA guards or centers?

THAT is not going to go over well here. We simply MUST sign a solid FA starting G. AND it doesn't damn well matter that said G may prefer other destinations instead of Minnesota.

In the event we don't sign one to our liking the good news is many posters will be excited about the vaunted "June 1st cuts" where we can fill that need easy.

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Not a lot of standout FA guards or centers?

THAT is not going to go over well here. We simply MUST sign a solid FA starting G. AND it doesn't damn well matter that said G may prefer other destinations instead of Minnesota.

In the event we don't sign one to our liking the good news is many posters will be excited about the vaunted "June 1st cuts" where we can fill that need easy.

Not a lot from what Ive seen so far. None as coveted as Norwell last year. And Norwell had an expensive/ineffective/injured year.

I puke in my mouth thinking of "veteran cuts" that can reshape our line.

The draft and FA are about supply and demand. Demand isn't going to be much lower than last year and supply, especially from the draft, is going to be lower. Meaning more draft capital and Bigger money to get similar than last year.

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Cross posting because why not?...

I bolded the wins for next year. 12-4, home field advantage through the playoffs, and a Super Bowl Title. PROVIDED we do the following:

Draft OL, OL, TE, LB, in the first four picks. Sign a quality OL in FA. Cut Rudolph, Griffen, Sendejo, and Remmers.



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Looked a lot like the team quit on Zimmer.

I think the Wilf's are making a mistake but will ride this out and hope for the best.

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Not a lot of standout FA guards or centers?

THAT is not going to go over well here. We simply MUST sign a solid FA starting G. AND it doesn't damn well matter that said G may prefer other destinations instead of Minnesota.

In the event we don't sign one to our liking the good news is many posters will be excited about the vaunted "June 1st cuts" where we can fill that need easy.

Not a lot from what Ive seen so far. None as coveted as Norwell last year. And Norwell had an expensive/ineffective/injured year.

I puke in my mouth thinking of "veteran cuts" that can reshape our line.

The draft and FA are about supply and demand. Demand isn't going to be much lower than last year and supply, especially from the draft, is going to be lower. Meaning more draft capital and Bigger money to get similar than last year.

I agree with most but we do not need to automatically expect additional draft capital be used to trade up for a G or a former tackle not quite good enough to play tackle or a former G who played tackle but projects to G. We do NOT know what other teams will do. We do NOT know how many viable candidates the team will identify.
Interior OL is key, yes but we do however know that we have other needs that require draft capital.

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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From Pro Football Focus on #Vikings loss to Bears: "Anthony Barr's performance as a run defender was simply disastrous. Time & again Chicago's offensive linemen were able to block Barr out of running plays.... (Barr had) a run defense grade of 34.8, the lowest mark of his career

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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Pro Football Focus on Chicago game: "#Vikings offensive line had a Pass Block Efficiency of 64.5 the worst mark among NFL teams in week 17.... Surrendered a total of 23 pressures...Pat Elflein surrendered 6 pressures & finished the game with a career-low 14.6 pass blocking grade"

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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#Vikings-Bears from @PFF "Cousins faced pressure on an overwhelming 55.3% of dropbacks Didn't commit any turnovers but was unable to push the ball downfield Attempted 17 throws from a clean pocket & was accurate on every single 1 but averaged just 4.3 yards per attempt when clean

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Not a single Viking on PFF's 1st or 2nd All-Pro teams:

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-pff-nfl-all-pro-team

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Chris Tomasson@christomasson
52m52 minutes ago
From Pro Football Focus on #Vikings loss to Bears: "Anthony Barr's performance as a run defender was simply disastrous. Time & again Chicago's offensive linemen were able to block Barr out of running plays.... (Barr had) a run defense grade of 34.8, the lowest mark of his career

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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Pro Football Focus on Chicago game: "#Vikings offensive line had a Pass Block Efficiency of 64.5 the worst mark among NFL teams in week 17.... Surrendered a total of 23 pressures...Pat Elflein surrendered 6 pressures & finished the game with a career-low 14.6 pass blocking grade"

Chris Tomasson@christomasson
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#Vikings-Bears from @PFF "Cousins faced pressure on an overwhelming 55.3% of dropbacks Didn't commit any turnovers but was unable to push the ball downfield Attempted 17 throws from a clean pocket & was accurate on every single 1 but averaged just 4.3 yards per attempt when clean

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Not a lot of standout FA guards or centers?

THAT is not going to go over well here. We simply MUST sign a solid FA starting G. AND it doesn't damn well matter that said G may prefer other destinations instead of Minnesota.

In the event we don't sign one to our liking the good news is many posters will be excited about the vaunted "June 1st cuts" where we can fill that need easy.

Not a lot from what Ive seen so far. None as coveted as Norwell last year. And Norwell had an expensive/ineffective/injured year.

I puke in my mouth thinking of "veteran cuts" that can reshape our line.

The draft and FA are about supply and demand. Demand isn't going to be much lower than last year and supply, especially from the draft, is going to be lower. Meaning more draft capital and Bigger money to get similar than last year.

I agree with most but we do not need to automatically expect additional draft capital be used to trade up for a G or a former tackle not quite good enough to play tackle or a former G who played tackle but projects to G. We do NOT know what other teams will do. We do NOT know how many viable candidates the team will identify.
Interior OL is key, yes but we do however know that we have other needs that require draft capital.

No decision is made in a vacuum. I'm not suggesting we mortgage the entire draft future of the team to draft one starting guard. If you read my earlier post, I made that caveat. Depending on draft ranking. But we need to do a better job than last year in anticipation of the flow of the draft.

Last year, the FO SHOULD have known that there would be a run on guards early in the second round. I posted and predicted it Round 1 right after the draft. Go back and read the draft posts. It was obvious.

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Looked a lot like the team quit on Zimmer.

I think the Wilf's are making a mistake but will ride this out and hope for the best.

I entirely agree. But where does mentality of "quitting" come from? Many people have employers and bosses they despise but they continue to do their jobs. What gives millionaire athletes the privilege to literally not care or even try? Of course, the answer is the fans who tolerate it.