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Arif grades the draft:

My grades by round:

1: A-
2: A
3: B-
4: B-
5: D+
6: B
7: A

Yes.

Seems reasonable. The 5th stuck out to me as the weakest round initially.

I look forward to analyzing this one over the next few years.

What exactly is a D+? I have heard of C- but generally a D grade is a D grade. However, I guess you do see reference to a D- on occasion that indicates performance as close to failure as you can possibly attain.

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A couple of points on Mitchell.
He’s from SEC Country and had a ton of SEC offers.
He performed at a High Level in College.
He came out a year early.


Is that enough to make him an NFL WR?

No

But the Coaches saw enough to keep him around for a year so who knows.

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A couple of points on Mitchell.
He’s from SEC Country and had a ton of SEC offers.
He performed at a High Level in College.
He came out a year early.


Is that enough to make him an NFL WR?

No

But the Coaches saw enough to keep him around for a year so who knows.

So now we are going back to high school and how college coaches felt about him ... to project his NFL talent?

Look ... I agree he had to be a really good college WR to get drafted. He obviously had great college production.

You never know ... the knock on Mitchell was maturity and work ethic, not physical ability or WR skill – maybe the light turns on this offseason and he shows up a dedicated player that forces his way on to the team. Great ... please ... somebody step up and become the next Thielen.

I believe it can happen. I just don't think he will – he had an easier path last year.

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Quartney Davis looks like this year's Dillon Mitchell:

https://youtu.be/hLZQa16wRX4

He looks GREAT on film ! I like the quickness, the adjustments to the ball and with defenders. And one of the TDs, doing a Moss and not looking back until the last second.

Almost looks like a little taller Diggs at times.

I think Davis looks better than Mitchell.

He did look pretty good. He ran a just OK 4.54 40, but he looked faster than that. I think some GMs overvalue 40 times when you can see functional speed on the game tape. If Davis runs a 4.44, he probably goes in the 4th round. He still has a tough road to get on the 53, but I can see why he was our most sought after UDFA.

He looks great...I can’t believe we didn’t draft him...he makes the final 53....

That will probably depend on health and what happens with every other WR on the roster. At this point ONLY Theilen and Jefferson should consider themselves safe to make the roster.

Agreed, but Sharpe I think is close to a lock. Bisi was good for a 7th round pick last year, but IMO he should be a 4th WR at best. Hopefully Mitchell and Davis can take the 4th 5th spots.

I am afraid for Mitchell...he is going to have to really gain some ground. Behind Bisi, Hollins, Treadwell, and Beebe last year.

No need to be afraid for Mitchell, we should let him go now so he can go to a team where the head coach doesn't hate his guts.

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For whatever reason Zimmer hates him. I think it's Bs. He could easily be gone this year.

Zimmer may make final calls, but I think the offensive players we keep and use were more about Stefanski and Kubiak. And I know you have a mancrush on Mitchell, but he did not really flash in the preseason last year so I think 'Mitchell not showing enough' is a better explanation than any hatred on the part of the Vikings coaching staff. Did the rest of the NFL hate Mitchell as well? He was available basically all year on thee practice squad and no one snapped him up.

1) He never got his chance to show in the NFL. 2) I'll just say I know what he was in college and it was dramatically better than Bisi Johnson. 3) I think his best move would be to decline the Vikings this season and go to camp with another team.

1) Ofcourse he got his chance – the same chance that any 7th rd. pick gets because that's how the whole NFL felt about him. Is that fair? Sure it is, he didn't show enough to people in college to go higher. In fact, for all we know, if the Vikings hadn't taken him he would've been just another UDFA with even less of an opportunity. So, kudos to Minnesota for giving him a much better opportunity to show something than he would have otherwise. Too bad he did nothing with it (like Johnson).

2) Who cares if YOU think he was better than Johnson in college – both players were drafted based on projecting to the next level. Fortunately for us, Johnson made the most of his unfair 7th rd. opportunity ... we were desperate for depth last year.

3) Mitchell better hope he hangs on for ANOTHER opportunity to show something ... there's more competition this year and he might not make it to the preseason (if there is one). He'll most likely be out of the league if he doesn't (or there isn't).

This background story that you are pushing about Zimmer hating Mitchell is ... over the top ... if you really believe it.

You're like Ahab and Mitchell is your White Whale.

I know what I saw. Even if he never plays a down in the NFL I still know what I saw and it was a hell of a lot better than Bisi Johnson.

Aye Captain.

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Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

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Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

Well most of us probably hit the nail on the head with this one.

Pretty certain they would say that Collins, Udoh, and Samia were waiting in the wings just chomping at the bit to compete for a starting job.

As upset as i became watching the draft waiting for Spiels to use the massive draft capital to maneuver for more OLine help, Incouldnt help but notice Spielman was absolutely killing it with his (Non OLine) picks.

I really had few complaints on what he did with our secondary, and DLine. Jefferson was a gift falling to us, another cover LB (Dye).

Still concerned about OLine, but Spielman May have just had the draft we/ he needed to get us back to, and over the top when these youngsters come of age.

Awesome draft!

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However I have to say about Zimmer’s comments about Collins, Samia, and Udoh, if they were so impressive in that one game, how in the heck couldn’t you see any indication of this earlier in the season when Elflein is constantly getting his ass handed to him.

I was impressed with Udoh, and Samia as well in that game, but that a very quick one off to a team who had nothing to play for.

I’ve been down the Collins road too many times to ultimately watch him go down to injury, and we’re all kept waiting?

I hope for the best, but wish they’d drafted a couple more OLine personally.

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Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

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Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

Spielman then went on to say that he and Zimmer would continue to Draft Cornerbacks in the First Round,
every other year along with trading 3rd rounders for multiple 5th rounders and then trading a 5th rounder
for multiple 7th rounders always.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

Well most of us probably hit the nail on the head with this one.

Pretty certain they would say that Collins, Udoh, and Samia were waiting in the wings just chomping at the bit to compete for a starting job.

As upset as i became watching the draft waiting for Spiels to use the massive draft capital to maneuver for more OLine help, Incouldnt help but notice Spielman was absolutely killing it with his (Non OLine) picks.

I really had few complaints on what he did with our secondary, and DLine. Jefferson was a gift falling to us, another cover LB (Dye).

Still concerned about OLine, but Spielman May have just had the draft we/ he needed to get us back to, and over the top when these youngsters come of age.

Awesome draft!

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

Well most of us probably hit the nail on the head with this one.

Pretty certain they would say that Collins, Udoh, and Samia were waiting in the wings just chomping at the bit to compete for a starting job.

As upset as i became watching the draft waiting for Spiels to use the massive draft capital to maneuver for more OLine help, Incouldnt help but notice Spielman was absolutely killing it with his (Non OLine) picks.

I really had few complaints on what he did with our secondary, and DLine. Jefferson was a gift falling to us, another cover LB (Dye).

Still concerned about OLine, but Spielman May have just had the draft we/ he needed to get us back to, and over the top when these youngsters come of age.

Awesome draft!

Not sure I'm fully confident in Spielman and his Oline assessments. His track record for fielding competent players for this unit is not good at all.

However, Kubiak/Dennison probably had a big say in whom we picked last draft and perhaps a few of these guys are ready after a red shirt year.

Actually tanking that Chi game and playing backups was a blessing in disguise as far as being able to evaluate the back end of the roster.

I think we all would have preferred Spielman at least picking one G early in the draft though.

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Found this posted at DailyNorseman.

Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

by Buster T B Crabbe on Apr 27, 2020 | 7:32 AM

If accurate not drafting more O Line was intentional not bad luck or bad timing.

Well most of us probably hit the nail on the head with this one.

Pretty certain they would say that Collins, Udoh, and Samia were waiting in the wings just chomping at the bit to compete for a starting job.

As upset as i became watching the draft waiting for Spiels to use the massive draft capital to maneuver for more OLine help, Incouldnt help but notice Spielman was absolutely killing it with his (Non OLine) picks.

I really had few complaints on what he did with our secondary, and DLine. Jefferson was a gift falling to us, another cover LB (Dye).

Still concerned about OLine, but Spielman May have just had the draft we/ he needed to get us back to, and over the top when these youngsters come of age.

Awesome draft!

Not sure I'm fully confident in Spielman and his Oline assessments. His track record for fielding competent players for this unit is not good at all.

However, Kubiak/Dennison probably had a big say in whom we picked last draft and perhaps a few of these guys are ready after a red shirt year.

Actually tanking that Chi game and playing backups was a blessing in disguise as far as being able to evaluate the back end of the roster.

I think we all would have preferred Spielman at least picking one G early in the draft though.

I think they should have addressed CB before this year.....I think that hampered their draft in a way....they had to load up on DBs.

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Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

GOOD...let's see what we have. I think Udoh and Samia are going to be a lot better than some believe on here.

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Spielman was asked in...
in post draft interview why he didn’t draft more OLmen early. He said that the last game against the Bears proved to him that Collins, Samia and Udoh were ready to compete for starting positions and he didn’t think it wise to invest in more that 1 OLman early. He said Cleveland was an OLman they coveted and could compete at OG or LOT giving them options at both positions.

It sounded to me like Spielman and Zimmer had more confidence in immediate help from our 1 yr PROs than rookies with limited time due to coronavirus.

GOOD...let's see what we have. I think Udoh and Samia are going to be a lot better than some believe on here.

It is good.

Kurts point remains:
Why the frickety frack didn't Spiels and Vikes staff see this earlier and sit Elf when he was getting smoked every game?
At the very least, if you don't trust the Rookies, put Jones in to stop the bleeding, and then the Youngsters if Jones isn't holding his own.
It was mind-numbingly bad management.