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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/08/08/if-college-football-season-doesnt-happen-nfl-likely-will-play-on-saturdays/

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Rookie Ezra Cleveland is not going to be a better tackle than Riley Reiff or Brian O'Neill, but he still has a good chance to be a better guard than Pat Elflein or Dakota Dozier. So a temporary move inside to guard makes some sense.

Nick Olson on Twitter

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

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ORIGINAL: joejitsu

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

This is big news.

https://twitter.com/wludford/status/1291866256472182784?s=09

But I can't confirm it. It might be fake.

Fake.

This is Dalvin's agent:

https://twitter.com/zachiller

The report came from:

https://twitter.com/zachiIIer

Why would someone put out phony news about a football player and his contract? A lot of people need attention to feel special nowadays.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Rookie Ezra Cleveland is not going to be a better tackle than Riley Reiff or Brian O'Neill, but he still has a good chance to be a better guard than Pat Elflein or Dakota Dozier. So a temporary move inside to guard makes some sense.

Nick Olson on Twitter

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

I'm not disputing it. Some people put it out there like it is a certainty.

BTW. The examples you brought up pages ago are heartbreaking and really make a person think when they don't want to wear a mask(where required) or social distance.

My thoughts are, if we closed up shop until now and had a full blown Recession/Depression, we would be in an even worse health crisis than what we have now.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

I'm not disputing it. Some people put it out there like it is a certainty.

BTW. The examples you brought up pages ago are heartbreaking and really make a person think when they don't want to wear a mask(where required) or social distance.

My thoughts are, if we closed up shop until now and had a full blown Recession/Depression, we would be in an even worse health crisis than what we have now.

Definitely not a certainty. A weird thing about this virus is that so many are either entirely asymptomatic or have cases so mild that they're not easily distinguishable from a mild flu or cold. I have read that there is a concern about the impact of the inflammation that can be present on the heart especially, but other organs too. A lot of study is still needed about all of this.

The way I look at it is that we are already in a recession and I believe we're going to stay in these waters until we tamp down transmission. We have to be aggressive about masks, distancing, testing, and contact tracing, then we can open more fully and with more confidence. Right now we're not diligent, so we've never brought cases down nationally (and now they're up); there are areas that can probably open more, but it's hard to have confidence because a spike can happen anywhere because of interstate/area travel. I'm in the camp where we take our lumps now that we didn't initially since I think dragging this out leads to worse economic and health outcomes.

Thanks for the kind thoughts about my students. You've always struck me as a good guy.

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

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ORIGINAL: bohumm

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ORIGINAL: Bruce Johnson

Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?

There is permanent damage done to some players every season.

An unfortunate part of the game, but also one that every player is fully aware of when they choose to play the sport.

Not sure how COVID falls under the same category.

Just saying that people who advocate having ANY football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players.

Also players had the opportunity to not participate in the 2020 NFL season, considering the cost/benefit of imagined COVID risks and only getting paid a stipend (well North of my yearly salary) vs playing and making their contracted millions.

Again, as Bob said, what about all the people they come into contact with?

I can't remember the last time a player brought home an ACL injury and gave it to his family and friends.

Unless you go with a "bubble" like the NBA or NHL, you're endangering a lot more people than just the players/teams.

That's one of the risks the player should be considering. Then they should opt out. If enough of them were agreeable to $150,000 vs their regular salaries then there would be no season. But most players would rather play AKA take the money.

Is it indisputable that Covid causes long term damage to healthy people? Just wondering if they would need a longer term study to determine this.

It certainly can. If a person goes into ARDS and has to go on a vent, they can definitely end up with permanent impairment.

I'm not disputing it. Some people put it out there like it is a certainty.

BTW. The examples you brought up pages ago are heartbreaking and really make a person think when they don't want to wear a mask(where required) or social distance.

My thoughts are, if we closed up shop until now and had a full blown Recession/Depression, we would be in an even worse health crisis than what we have now.

Definitely not a certainty. A weird thing about this virus is that so many are either entirely asymptomatic or have cases so mild that they're not easily distinguishable from a mild flu or cold. I have read that there is a concern about the impact of the inflammation that can be present on the heart especially, but other organs too. A lot of study is still needed about all of this.

The way I look at it is that we are already in a recession and I believe we're going to stay in these waters until we tamp down transmission. We have to be aggressive about masks, distancing, testing, and contact tracing, then we can open more fully and with more confidence. Right now we're not diligent, so we've never brought cases down nationally (and now they're up); there are areas that can probably open more, but it's hard to have confidence because a spike can happen anywhere because of interstate/area travel. I'm in the camp where we take our lumps now that we didn't initially since I think dragging this out leads to worse economic and health outcomes.

Thanks for the kind thoughts about my students. You've always struck me as a good guy.

You too. Even if you are a Clipper fan.

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Wow. That's never good for a young athlete. He will likely be out permanently, but we all wish him the best.

Edit: Here is Smith correcting me assuring that he will be back. He calls himself lucky that a heart abnormality was discovered after he was infected with Covid. What a twist of fate.

https://twitter.com/Eric_L_Smith/status/1292223200143839233?s=09

I thought the same thing. There is concern about COVID causing long-term or permanent damage to organs, including the heart. In this case, it may have saved his heart and his life. This shows how people often discover health problems they have by having other health problems, which is yet another flaw in assuming everyone who seems young and healthy will not be harmed badly by COVID.

And no one assumes EVERYONE.

Fair point. So people who advocate having a football season are fine with permanent damage or death to some number of players?