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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

I honestly can't remember a play where Cousins had 3+ seconds to get a pass off.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

A couple of the other big games this weekend, they were laying out stats, I think Big Ben had gone like 200+ pass attempts without a sack.. Mahomes as well.
I understand why, with their systems, but still, I agree Bill.
You have to be ready to bail on the play, you have to stop putting us in 2nd and 17 and 3rd and 21
He's too ready to accept the sacks, I agree. And then, we can all argue about how he throws it away too soon. [:D]
I long for the day when we have an OLine again that is a collection of studs and steamrollers. Until then, you gotta have a plan, Kirk.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

I honestly can't remember a play where Cousins had 3+ seconds to get a pass off.

Also agree on this, he never gets that "stands back there all day" moment, like other QBs do

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Yeah, he does too
They all need to have a plan
The plan can't be based on "normal" because we aren't giving him "normal" time.
If there won't be a pocket, don't design routes that require them

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

I honestly can't remember a play where Cousins had 3+ seconds to get a pass off.

Also agree on this, he never gets that "stands back there all day" moment, like other QBs do

It's like you said on the other Vikes thread. The Vikings have way more success on the roll out. Why don't they do it more.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

I honestly can't remember a play where Cousins had 3+ seconds to get a pass off.

Also agree on this, he never gets that "stands back there all day" moment, like other QBs do

It's like you said on the other Vikes thread. The Vikings have way more success on the roll out. Why don't they do it more.

Rolling out feels like a gimmick to me. Do it too often and the defense will pick up on the tendencies and end up only needing to defend 1/2 the field.
I think that's part of the reason the running QBs have a short shelf life.

Pocket QB's force the defense to guard the entire field.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

A couple of the other big games this weekend, they were laying out stats, I think Big Ben had gone like 200+ pass attempts without a sack.. Mahomes as well.
I understand why, with their systems, but still, I agree Bill.
You have to be ready to bail on the play, you have to stop putting us in 2nd and 17 and 3rd and 21
He's too ready to accept the sacks, I agree. And then, we can all argue about how he throws it away too soon. [:D]
I long for the day when we have an OLine again that is a collection of studs and steamrollers. Until then, you gotta have a plan, Kirk.

You mean like drop back 2 steps and duck? I think the OC is the one who needs to come up with a plan.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
Not only that. Our 3rd leading WR is Bisi Johnson with a whopping 176 yards. He'd barely crack the top 10 on Tampa. We desperately need an upgrade there.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

A couple of the other big games this weekend, they were laying out stats, I think Big Ben had gone like 200+ pass attempts without a sack.. Mahomes as well.
I understand why, with their systems, but still, I agree Bill.
You have to be ready to bail on the play, you have to stop putting us in 2nd and 17 and 3rd and 21
He's too ready to accept the sacks, I agree. And then, we can all argue about how he throws it away too soon. [:D]
I long for the day when we have an OLine again that is a collection of studs and steamrollers. Until then, you gotta have a plan, Kirk.

You mean like drop back 2 steps and duck? I think the OC is the one who needs to come up with a plan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrvRIJEtVEg

Watch it for yourselves and count the seconds off for each QB on each play. Long answer: Brady tends to get the ball off just as I'm finishing saying 'two-one-thousand'. Occasionally with Brady I get to 'three-one-thousand'. With Cousins I'm most often at 'three-one-thousand' when he releases it. The best plays seemed to happen when the ball was released at 'two-one thousand'.

Regarding the sacks. One of the sacks happens at 'five-one-thousand' and he wasn't under duress until that fifth count. A number of them happen just as I finish 'three-one-thousand'. One of them is a jailbreak and he's sacked almost immediately after the play fake. For the most part though, he has time - about the same amount of time as Brady had. Just look at how often Brady releases at the 2-second mark vs. Kirk and that will tell you the story of the game, heck maybe even the teams. I wish like hell I could go to the games and watch downfield and see if our targets are open or not. Or perhaps more importantly with Cousins, just HOW open are they.

Short answer: Cousins had/has plenty of time and holds the ball too long - need a better field view to see if receivers are open or not and to what degree.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
Not only that. Our 3rd leading WR is Bisi Johnson with a whopping 176 yards. He'd barely crack the top 10 on Tampa. We desperately need an upgrade there.

Yep, it's a lot easier to get rid of the ball when receivers get open. Double team Thielen and Jefferson and take your chances with the rest.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
Not only that. Our 3rd leading WR is Bisi Johnson with a whopping 176 yards. He'd barely crack the top 10 on Tampa. We desperately need an upgrade there.

Yep, it's a lot easier to get rid of the ball when receivers get open. Double team Thielen and Jefferson and take your chances with the rest.

If you double-team two WRs that only leaves 3 defenders (assuming a four-man-rush) to cover 3 other pass catchers. We'd score 50+ per game if that were the case.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser
Not only that. Our 3rd leading WR is Bisi Johnson with a whopping 176 yards. He'd barely crack the top 10 on Tampa. We desperately need an upgrade there.

Yep, it's a lot easier to get rid of the ball when receivers get open. Double team Thielen and Jefferson and take your chances with the rest.

If you double-team two WRs that only leaves 3 defenders (assuming a four-man-rush) to cover 3 other pass catchers. We'd score 50+ per game if that were the case.

50+? Don't be ridiculous. And I'm not talking about doubling both on every play. And Tampa was killing us with a 4 man rush all day.

Like I said, there is no denying Cousins tends to lock in one receiver and wants the receiver to open when he releases the ball. But our problems are not simply a matter of Cousins holding the ball too long. Crappy line, slow developing plays, terrible pass blocking and lack of WR depth as well as Cousins tendency to hold on for the perfect target all contribute to an uneven offense.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Jussssssst asking him to have a plan in place, when there's no pocket.
That's all
Not a Kirk bash, hell, I like him.
Jusssssst asking him to not so readily accept 2nd and 19.
That's all.

And no ... the light toss to their DB/LB isn't in the option list [&:]