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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Jussssssst asking him to have a plan in place, when there's no pocket.
That's all
Not a Kirk bash, hell, I like him.
Jusssssst asking him to not so readily accept 2nd and 19.
That's all.

And no ... the light toss to their DB/LB isn't in the option list [&:]

He has two major weaknesses.

1. He wants the receiver to get open first and then throw. The QB needs to anticipate the break and throw the damn ball.

2. He locks onto one guy, telegraphs the play and waits to long to go through his check downs.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Jussssssst asking him to have a plan in place, when there's no pocket.
That's all
Not a Kirk bash, hell, I like him.
Jusssssst asking him to not so readily accept 2nd and 19.
That's all.

And no ... the light toss to their DB/LB isn't in the option list [&:]

He has two major weaknesses.

1. He wants the receiver to get open first and then throw. The QB needs to anticipate the break and throw the damn ball.

2. He locks onto one guy, telegraphs the play and waits to long to go through his check downs.

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Jussssssst asking him to have a plan in place, when there's no pocket.
That's all
Not a Kirk bash, hell, I like him.
Jusssssst asking him to not so readily accept 2nd and 19.
That's all.

And no ... the light toss to their DB/LB isn't in the option list [&:]

He has two major weaknesses.

1. He wants the receiver to get open first and then throw. The QB needs to anticipate the break and throw the damn ball.

2. He locks onto one guy, telegraphs the play and waits to long to go through his check downs.

Not to start another snowball fight, but in Sam Bradford's era here (duck/dodge/dive/duck) I enjoyed watching him throw the ball before the receiver broke on his route. They used to point it out a lot.
Was often a thing of beauty. Lots of warts on Sam, but that part of his game was awesome. Don't see it much with Kirk.
We have, it just isn't on display consistently.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

The worst kind of pressure(up the middle)makes things much more difficult for a qb.

Not sure how Spielman can watch this every season and still refuse to do anything about it. In fact, paying our best G to sit home this season is just stupid.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Jussssssst asking him to have a plan in place, when there's no pocket.
That's all
Not a Kirk bash, hell, I like him.
Jusssssst asking him to not so readily accept 2nd and 19.
That's all.

And no ... the light toss to their DB/LB isn't in the option list [&:]

He has two major weaknesses.

1. He wants the receiver to get open first and then throw. The QB needs to anticipate the break and throw the damn ball.

2. He locks onto one guy, telegraphs the play and waits to long to go through his check downs.

If what you say is true then he is not an NFL starting-level QB. Those are fatal weaknesses.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Luke Braun was saying on Twitter that they sent Thielen and Jefferson deep an insane amount in the 2nd half.
If so, that's a major failure on Kubiak's part.
You are playing an elite D line with a likely below avg oline.
Why not more short routes? Thielen and Jefferson have shown themselves shifty and able to get open off the line.
That's just a major game plan blunder IMO

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

IDK where to get the data but but I'm guessing 3-4 of the sacks Cousins held the ball for 3+ seconds.

He needs to get rid of it if there is nothing there. Live to play another down. Sacks/turnovers are game changers.

There were a number of times I caught myself yelling at the TV "Throw it away!" Kirk definitely holds the ball too long at times. It's like his internal clock fritzes out a couple of times a game. Against the Bucs it seemed to be happening more than usual.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

If the comparison is going to be to Brady then most QB in history are going to come up short. The offense has also been schemed around Brady for quick developing plays. The Vikings have longer developing routes.

Look, I'm not denying Cousins can lock onto one receiver and hold the ball too long, but let's not pretend he's getting an abundance of time or a clean pocket to throw out of. The pass protection grades on our offensive linemen say otherwise.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Dantzler is getting a lot of hype on Twitter. Lots of good videos, pretty much locking guys up.

Quickly developing into one of best cover guys in the league.
Really crazy how much he's improved in such a short amount of time.
He was just God awful early on.

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ORIGINAL: Arlowe84

Kirk is terrible with his pocket presence.
He actually had a couple decent scrambles on Sunday, which is rare to see.
But man, the guy just has not backside sense, like so many of the elite QBs you see
It's maddening.

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ORIGINAL: Mr. Ed

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ORIGINAL: SoMnFan

Yeah, he does too
They all need to have a plan
The plan can't be based on "normal" because we aren't giving him "normal" time.
If there won't be a pocket, don't design routes that require them

I know he's not the fleet-afoot QB

And at this point it's probably too late for timing and such.

Being in the shotgun more some read option and PASSING out of it would help.

IMO too many drop backs when the other guys know it, vs already being in the shotgun or pistol or squirt gun formation.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Great posts on Cousins. My two cents.

We did a lot of shotgun in 2018 with deflip. Didn't work well then.

Krause over at DailyNorseman did a great data dive on Cousins and TT (time to throw). Cousins TT in 2018 was 2.5 and if you take out rollouts was 2.45 in 2019. Each year that came in as NFL average and yet Cousins faced one of the highest pressure rates in the NFL. Both Shanahans and McVay have talked about one of Cousins strength's is read progression. Kyle showed video of Cousins in Atl and SF. If anything the knock has been he's too robotic in going through them, and why isn't great at going off script. Maybe he's gotten worse as a Viking. So hard for a fan to know what the play calls for and what the progression is supposed to be. It's great that a wide receiver is open but he might be the 4th option, play design is a huge part of it.

Cousins is one of the more accurate qbs, imo. I think he's number 2 in the nfl for deep pass accuracy the last three years. That throw to Thielan vs saints last year was thrown when thielan was lock step with the CB. I don't think he accomplishes that (and his ranking) without being able to throw with anticipation.

Having said that, I agree he his pocket awareness has been a liability and that he's done better this year.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Pager

Great posts on Cousins. My two cents.

We did a lot of shotgun in 2018 with deflip. Didn't work well then.

Krause over at DailyNorseman did a great data dive on Cousins and TT (time to throw). Cousins TT in 2018 was 2.5 and if you take out rollouts was 2.45 in 2019. Each year that came in as NFL average and yet Cousins faced one of the highest pressure rates in the NFL. Both Shanahans and McVay have talked about one of Cousins strength's is read progression. Kyle showed video of Cousins in Atl and SF. If anything the knock has been he's too robotic in going through them, and why isn't great at going off script. Maybe he's gotten worse as a Viking. So hard for a fan to know what the play calls for and what the progression is supposed to be. It's great that a wide receiver is open but he might be the 4th option, play design is a huge part of it.

Cousins is one of the more accurate qbs, imo. I think he's number 2 in the nfl for deep pass accuracy the last three years. That throw to Thielan vs saints last year was thrown when thielan was lock step with the CB. I don't think he accomplishes that (and his ranking) without being able to throw with anticipation.

Having said that, I agree he his pocket awareness has been a liability and that he's done better this year.

Solid post Pager.

Cousins has earned some respect from me since the 1-5 start. He is still a very flawed QB but I'm seeing better effort and determination from him than in the past.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I apologize for being negative but this team will always be a pretender as long as Spielman is in charge. Those G rankings are embarrassing.

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

I apologize for being negative but this team will always be a pretender as long as Spielman is in charge. Those G rankings are embarrassing.

No need to apologize. The guard numbers are embarrassing. When the offense is predicated on 30 inside handoffs combined with a straight drop passing game, the guard position is rather important and has been treated as an afterthought.