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Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 8:48:37 AM)

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From Football Analysis on Twitter:

Kyle Rudolph is the only active player in the NFL to have more than 350 receptions with only 1 fumble in his career


Give me four more fumbles and 150 more broken tackles/not-go-out-of-bounds/make-an-effort-for-more-yards/make someone miss every once in a while/don't-go-down-easily-on-first-contact.

Heck - give me six more fumbles and trade it for a YAC that's two yards bigger.


His father was a mudder, his mother was a mudder. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_YlS3SLoz8




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 9:44:07 AM)

Mike Florio and Chris Sims on tv. Simms has revealed his QB ratings which shows Cousins at a rather disappointing #13. I guess you could say that it is still the top half and his views are subjective and debatable. It does show how Cousins is viewed by the national media: a good quarterback (not great) who also has some flaws which can be somewhat covered up by a very good team that he plays with.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 9:50:13 AM)

Is it just me or does it look like Alex Mattison put on 20 lbs of muscle this offseason. Dude looks like a chiseled statue of a Greek god.

(Purple Post on Twitter)




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 10:01:09 AM)

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Mike Florio and Chris Sims on tv. Simms has revealed his QB ratings which shows Cousins at a rather disappointing #13. I guess you could say that it is still the top half and his views are subjective and debatable. It does show how Cousins is viewed by the national media: a good quarterback (not great) who also has some flaws which can be somewhat covered up by a very good team that he plays with.

Simms also has Brady and Brees as #15 and #16.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 10:12:13 AM)

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Back to Vikings. Sorry for the long link.

https://www.dailynorseman.com/platform/amp/2020/6/20/21297759/james-lynch-day-3-picks-favorable-situations-minnesota-vikings?utm_campaign=dailynorseman&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Excellent link. I'm in favor of Lynch starting for the Vikings this year sooner or later. Here's an excerpt from the link

The 3-tech position for the Vikings was a barren wasteland in 2019. Starter Shamar Stephen was one of the most ineffective defensive linemen in the entire NFL and managed all of six pressures on 350 pass-rushing snaps. Conversely, Lynch led all of college football with 70 pressures on 501 pass-rushing snaps for Baylor last season. The Vikings didn’t add anyone else to address the position this offseason, meaning the path looks wide open for Lynch to take the job.
Lynch was ridiculously productive in college in his final year in Waco. He finished the season with 41 tackles, 19.5 tackles for loss, and 13.5 sacks en route to winning a ton of awards (Big 12 Defensive Player of the Year, Big 12 Defensive Lineman of the Year, and First-Team All-American honors). He also had three forced fumbles, two fumble recoveries, five passes defended, and even blocked two kicks.



By PFF’s charting he lined up outside the tackle on ~65% of his snaps, over the tackle (5-tech) ~20%, and inside (A gap or B gap) ~20%. He was far more effective as a pass rusher off the edge than as a DT.

IMO he's another Jayln Holmes until he proves otherwise. I think we see a rotation of Watts, Maatafa and Shamar.

Have you watched him play? He lined up outside because that's where the team needed him most. His skillset indicates he will be more effective at the 3T and DT IIRC is the official position he was drafted as. he's going to be good. Watch him play.


He's three hundred lbs. He's a tweener - more effective with space but too big and not quick enough for 4-3 end. I don't know if his game translates to the pros. I hope it does. I hope every player we draft turns into the next hall of famer. Unfortunately many don't even make the team.

How many pressures did he have in 2018 when he mostly played inside? How many of his 70 plus pressures came from inside?


Not sure Lynch is even a full blown 300 lbs, I've seen 285-295. He could probably get to 300+ with NFL training. That said 300 lbs is just fine 3 technique wise. Look at the 2020 probowlers, 300 lbs is right around the sweet spot.

A little exchange regarding Lynch and a Oklahoma Sooners fan from the Minnesota Vikings message board. He's RandyMoss84 and I'm VikingsVictorious.

RandyMoss84 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 7:41 pm
VikingsVictorious wrote: ↑Mon Jun 22, 2020 6:52 pm

Sooners might have won the game, but Lynch was collectively tearing the entire Sooners O Line a new ........
You know it's the truth. :hitfan:
A win is a win but yeah, Sooners offensive line got owned by Lynch and he was very impressive in both games and was hoping Vikings would draft Lynch and they did! :rock:
And we did.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 10:18:25 AM)

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Mike Florio and Chris Sims on tv. Simms has revealed his QB ratings which shows Cousins at a rather disappointing #13. I guess you could say that it is still the top half and his views are subjective and debatable. It does show how Cousins is viewed by the national media: a good quarterback (not great) who also has some flaws which can be somewhat covered up by a very good team that he plays with.

Simms also has Brady and Brees as #15 and #16.

Brady about right. Brees should be a bit higher as when he played last year he played quite well. I think he had Rodgers higher (correct me if I'm wrong) which IMO is not very astute. Cousins to anybody who is looking at things objectively is top 10. He was #4 by passer rating last year while playing half the season without Thielen or with only a shell of Thielen.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/23/2020 12:41:52 PM)

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Mike Florio and Chris Sims on tv. Simms has revealed his QB ratings which shows Cousins at a rather disappointing #13. I guess you could say that it is still the top half and his views are subjective and debatable. It does show how Cousins is viewed by the national media: a good quarterback (not great) who also has some flaws which can be somewhat covered up by a very good team that he plays with.

Simms also has Brady and Brees as #15 and #16.

Brady about right. Brees should be a bit higher as when he played last year he played quite well. I think he had Rodgers higher (correct me if I'm wrong) which IMO is not very astute. Cousins to anybody who is looking at things objectively is top 10. He was #4 by passer rating last year while playing half the season without Thielen or with only a shell of Thielen.


We had issues at the CB positions. He could have had better support from the defense.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 1:32:13 AM)

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Since entering the league, out of all defensive skill players Anthony Barr ranks 3rd in pressures with 122.

Matthew Coller@MatthewColler
This is the one thing about the role change conversation for Barr... the way Zimmer has rushed him has been very successful.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 7:00:28 AM)

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Since entering the league, out of all defensive skill players Anthony Barr ranks 3rd in pressures with 122.

Matthew Coller@MatthewColler
This is the one thing about the role change conversation for Barr... the way Zimmer has rushed him has been very successful.


I don't believe he had many sacks, but especially if it is on third down a pressure may be just as good as a sack.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 7:28:10 AM)

We lost all of or corner starters during the off-season, but as you can see none of them were top ten quality. This is from Jon Ledyard at Twitter:

Top 10 Cornerbacks in the NFL
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@VoiceOfTheStar
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1. Stephon Gilmore
2. Marcus Peters
3. Joe Haden
4. Jalen Ramsey
5. Patrick Peterson
6. Byron Jones
7. Tre’Davious White
8. Xavien Howard
9. Chris Harris Jr.
10. Marshon Lattimore




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 7:30:36 AM)

There's a reference to our Diggs trade here with two contrary view points expressed. Personally I think the Vikings came out well, especially since Diggs was disgruntled.

https://twitter.com/EthanYoungFB/status/1275239667395260416?s=20




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 7:41:13 AM)

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Since entering the league, out of all defensive skill players Anthony Barr ranks 3rd in pressures with 122.

Matthew Coller@MatthewColler
This is the one thing about the role change conversation for Barr... the way Zimmer has rushed him has been very successful.


I don't believe he had many sacks, but especially if it is on third down a pressure may be just as good as a sack.



CBS Sports HQ@CBSSportsHQ

Top 10 Linebackers in the NFL (According to @seanjwagner)

1. Bobby Wagner
2. Eric Kendricks
3. Darius Leonard
4. Demario Davis
5. C.J. Mosley
6. Lavonte David
7. Leighton Vander Esch
8. Roquan Smith
9. Fred Warner
10. Tremaine Edmunds

▶︎ Does not include edge rushers




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 12:04:09 PM)

Stat guy with a full article about Thielen.

https://thevikingage.com/2020/06/23/5-stats-minnesota-vikings-adam-thielen/amp/?__twitter_impression=true




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 12:28:19 PM)

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Since entering the league, out of all defensive skill players Anthony Barr ranks 3rd in pressures with 122.

Matthew Coller@MatthewColler
This is the one thing about the role change conversation for Barr... the way Zimmer has rushed him has been very successful.


I don't believe he had many sacks, but especially if it is on third down a pressure may be just as good as a sack.



CBS Sports HQ@CBSSportsHQ

Top 10 Linebackers in the NFL (According to @seanjwagner)

1. Bobby Wagner
2. Eric Kendricks
3. Darius Leonard
4. Demario Davis
5. C.J. Mosley
6. Lavonte David
7. Leighton Vander Esch
8. Roquan Smith
9. Fred Warner
10. Tremaine Edmunds

▶︎ Does not include edge rushers

Wagner had a butt load of tackles but kendricks missed tackle ratio was much better and kendricks coverage statistics dwarfed Wagner's.

Kendricks was hands down, the best ILB last season




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 5:59:01 PM)

Big news.

So there is a date to report: July 28. The NFL and NFLPA are still negotiating what camp will look like and how the protocols will be handled and everything else. But players will arrive on time.

(Ian Rapoport on Twitter)




Pager -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 8:14:11 PM)

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Big news.

So there is a date to report: July 28. The NFL and NFLPA are still negotiating what camp will look like and how the protocols will be handled and everything else. But players will arrive on time.

(Ian Rapoport on Twitter)



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Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 9:32:53 PM)

One reason why Bisi Johnson might have the edge over Tajae Sharpe in the #Vikings' WR3 battle? Blocking ability.

Last year, Bisi ranked 9th out of 122 qualified receivers in PFF run-blocking grade. Sharpe was 84th.

(Will Ragatz on Twitter)

In a run-heavy offense, that matters.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/24/2020 9:34:40 PM)

He has an article here, too, about Johnson.

https://www.si.com/.amp-vikings/nfl/vikings/news/81-days-vikings-football-countdown-bisi-johnson-receiver?__twitter_impression=true




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 8:22:43 AM)

https://fullpresscoverage.com/2020/06/10/why-the-minnesota-vikings-shouldnt-give-into-dalvin-cooks-contract-demand

Kind of a re-hash of what has already been put out there




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 8:30:17 AM)

This is always the slow time of year with very little news. We can do our speculations, but soon we will get input about our team based on real practices and how they compete with each other on the field. So not much to say for now. We just have to persevere as we always persevere every year during the off-season.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 9:27:38 AM)

Would you trade Harrison Smith and a second round pick (probably a late selection) for Jamal Adams and pay him the big bucks. A first round pick, he is young and proven. This is a young man's game. On the other hand, it would be nice to see Smith retire as a career Viking.




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 9:44:39 AM)

Shorter preseason? I'm all for that!

While the NFL calendar remains in flux, multiple clubs are proceeding as if players won’t report to camp early — which means veterans would arrive July 28. Any ramp-up period would occur thereafter, likely in concert with a shortened preseason as @TomPelissero has reported.

(Ian Rapoport on Twitter)




Bruce Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 9:47:20 AM)

Also from Rapoport, The NFL will have a virtual league meeting Thursday, with details coming about training camp.




ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 9:56:18 AM)

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Shorter preseason? I'm all for that!

While the NFL calendar remains in flux, multiple clubs are proceeding as if players won’t report to camp early — which means veterans would arrive July 28. Any ramp-up period would occur thereafter, likely in concert with a shortened preseason as @TomPelissero has reported.

(Ian Rapoport on Twitter)


Two games is enough, one home game and one road game to dial in their corona measures.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (6/25/2020 9:58:10 AM)

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/24/adrian-peterson-hopes-to-play-through-2023/

I'd actually be surprised if peterson makes the Redskins squad this season. With severe cap limitations fast approaching a vet minimum salary vs a rookie salary won't win out.

I believe the Redskins drafted a rb in rd 3 this year.




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