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Phil Riewer -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:02:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. So have you complained more about the Stugis rally or the Subway being opened in NY? Again, lets not conflate the two as if they are equal. One serves the purpose of transportation for a major city. The other serves the purpose of getting drunk and showing off the latest Bald Eagle tattoo. Which runs more people thru it daily....and never closed down a day for the last 6 months....Sturgis lasts a week to 10 days......fly over prejudice all over again.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:03:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it's riveting conversation in Sturgis talking about the new naked lady tattoo you got in the last 12 months year. The Rally is awesome. So many people from all over the country, and even the World, coming together to have a great time. I am not a biker, but bikers do not fall into easy stereotypes. A ton of doctors and dentists and other professionals come to Sturgis. I suppose you have to have some serious coin to buy a new Harley, especially if you live in a state where you cannot ride it all year. There are super kind bikers from small rural towns with their Christian Motorcycle Association patch on their vest and then there are guys with '1%er' patches and they are often pretty nice too, but you do NOT want to get on their bad side. And, yes, there are more than a few tattoos on display. I've been to Sturgis. It's the largest collection of dipshits on the planet all coming together at once. Trying to make it out to be anything different is naive and ignorant, all wrapped in one.

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:04:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. So have you complained more about the Stugis rally or the Subway being opened in NY? Again, lets not conflate the two as if they are equal. One serves the purpose of transportation for a major city. The other serves the purpose of getting drunk and showing off the latest Bald Eagle tattoo. Which runs more people thru it daily....and never closed down a day for the last 6 months....Sturgis lasts a week to 10 days......fly over prejudice all over again. Which is precisely why they should have shut it down for a year in the name of safety and health. It's like a state fair, only filled with drunken bums.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:05:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. Of course, using this same logic, we should shut down EVERY SINGLE THING in the country that is not 100% necessary.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:05:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. So have you complained more about the Stugis rally or the Subway being opened in NY? Again, lets not conflate the two as if they are equal. One serves the purpose of transportation for a major city. The other serves the purpose of getting drunk and showing off the latest Bald Eagle tattoo. Which runs more people thru it daily....and never closed down a day for the last 6 months....Sturgis lasts a week to 10 days......fly over prejudice all over again. Running at 20% of pre-pandemic levels, mandated masks, extensive disinfecting, etc. None of that applies to Sturgis. Not to mention the Subway in NY is absolutely vital for a large number of people to go anywhere.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:05:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. Of course, using this same logic, we should shut down EVERY SINGLE THING in the country that is not 100% necessary. Oh, like what most countries have done? And that we halfassed?

Brad H -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:06:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. Of course, using this same logic, we should shut down EVERY SINGLE THING in the country that is not 100% necessary. Interestingly, that's what some of the least infected countries have done. What a great idea! And it worked.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:07:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. So have you complained more about the Stugis rally or the Subway being opened in NY? Again, lets not conflate the two as if they are equal. One serves the purpose of transportation for a major city. The other serves the purpose of getting drunk and showing off the latest Bald Eagle tattoo. Which runs more people thru it daily....and never closed down a day for the last 6 months....Sturgis lasts a week to 10 days......fly over prejudice all over again. Running at 20% of pre-pandemic levels, mandated masks, extensive disinfecting, etc. None of that applies to Sturgis. Again read my first post....I think they should have shut it down but I understand why they didn't....Brad just doesn't like Sturgis and that is fine. He finally admitted it.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:09:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. So have you complained more about the Stugis rally or the Subway being opened in NY? Again, lets not conflate the two as if they are equal. One serves the purpose of transportation for a major city. The other serves the purpose of getting drunk and showing off the latest Bald Eagle tattoo. Which runs more people thru it daily....and never closed down a day for the last 6 months....Sturgis lasts a week to 10 days......fly over prejudice all over again. Running at 20% of pre-pandemic levels, mandated masks, extensive disinfecting, etc. None of that applies to Sturgis. Again read my first post....I think they should have shut it down but I understand why they didn't....Brad just doesn't like Sturgis and that is fine. He finally admitted it. Apples and Oranges. The NY subway ridership is at 20% of of pre-pandemic levels and people are wearing masks and social distancing as they can. None of that applies to Sturgis In countries where the pandemic has ebbed, ridership has rebounded in far greater numbers than in New York City — yet there have been no notable superspreader events linked to mass transit, according to a survey of transportation agencies conducted by The New York Times. Those findings could be evidence that subways, commuter railways and buses may not be a significant source of transmission, as long as riders wear masks and train cars or buses never become as intensely crowded as they did in pre-pandemic rush hours. The low infection rates on some public transportation systems can be attributed, in part, to measures transit agencies have adopted, including mandating face masks; disinfecting trains and buses; and ramping up service and asking businesses to stagger work hours to reduce rush-hour crowding. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/nyregion/nyc-subway-coronavirus-safety.html

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:11:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Are you comparing staying at home with attending a very crowded event with literally no precautions taken? Other the people that got really sick, how many Sturgis attendees do you think have had a COVID test since? Look, I agree that we'll probably never know just how many people will be affected by Sturgis. But we do have enough data that its probably safe to assume the number is WAY more than reported. And magnitudes higher than for people who "stay at home". I am comparing Brad's Sturgis numbers to the COVID numbers of the average American during the same time frame. I thought I was pretty clear on that. ? Actually, the real numbers to compare would have been maybe the two weeks after Sturgis to have a truer number, but I thought explaining all that would make it more confusing. And I also wrote that we really do not have a true read on the numbers because while the 260 number may not even all be true 'Sturgis cases', there are likely others that are not directly connected that should/could be. The one thing I think we can say at this point is that, like the BLM protests, concerns about a massive COVID outbreak stemming from the Sturgis Rally appear to be unfounded.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:18:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: unome The city of Sturgis gets a mind-numbing 95% of its annual revenue from the bike rally so cancelling it would have been a disaster. And most businesses in town completely count on it to make their year. Heaven for bid the 6,900-person town of Sturgis would risk few businesses remaining solvent over a handful of deaths. So have you complained more about the Stugis rally or the Subway being opened in NY? Again, lets not conflate the two as if they are equal. One serves the purpose of transportation for a major city. The other serves the purpose of getting drunk and showing off the latest Bald Eagle tattoo. Which runs more people thru it daily....and never closed down a day for the last 6 months....Sturgis lasts a week to 10 days......fly over prejudice all over again. Running at 20% of pre-pandemic levels, mandated masks, extensive disinfecting, etc. None of that applies to Sturgis. Again read my first post....I think they should have shut it down but I understand why they didn't....Brad just doesn't like Sturgis and that is fine. He finally admitted it. Apples and Oranges. The NY subway ridership is at 20% of of pre-pandemic levels and people are wearing masks and social distancing as they can. None of that applies to Sturgis In countries where the pandemic has ebbed, ridership has rebounded in far greater numbers than in New York City — yet there have been no notable superspreader events linked to mass transit, according to a survey of transportation agencies conducted by The New York Times. Those findings could be evidence that subways, commuter railways and buses may not be a significant source of transmission, as long as riders wear masks and train cars or buses never become as intensely crowded as they did in pre-pandemic rush hours. The low infection rates on some public transportation systems can be attributed, in part, to measures transit agencies have adopted, including mandating face masks; disinfecting trains and buses; and ramping up service and asking businesses to stagger work hours to reduce rush-hour crowding. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/nyregion/nyc-subway-coronavirus-safety.html Really...how about March & April when it should have been shut down? Sturgis numbers are down about 50% or more from normal...So (people still choose to ride the subway or go to Sturgis)....Sturgis is all some have---similar to Subway transportation.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:31:38 PM)
Funny how some posters have no trouble telling bikers (many just ride a few weeks a year) how to live their life.....amazing. Maybe you should have went to Sturgis and protested, looted, rioted, etc. and see how that works out. [;)]

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:31:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Sturgis is all some have---similar to Subway transportation. Come on. I understand the Sturgis love. I know people that have gone every year for decades. But how many NYers absolutely rely on the subway system for their livelihood? Before the Pandemic, 8 million people rode the subway every day. Not going to Strurgis is like not being able to go to a concert or a movie or out to eat. Or let's make it bigger. Its not being able to go on vacation. Not being able to ride the subway means not being able to go to work or school for many people.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:32:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Really...how about March & April when it should have been shut down? Sturgis numbers are down about 50% or more from normal...So (people still choose to ride the subway or go to Sturgis)....Sturgis is all some have---similar to Subway transportation. Sturgis attendance was only down 7.5% and spending was higher than last year. I have been on Sturgis Main Street and on a NYC Subway and Sturgis has to be safer from viral infection. One is outdoors in the sun with major ventilation and the other is a confined underground space. One is a happy place where you feel surprisingly safe and one is a sad place where you have to worry about being robbed because once the doors close, you are trapped in a confined space and cannot get out.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:33:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Funny how some posters have no trouble telling bikers (many just ride a few weeks a year) how to live their life.....amazing. Maybe you should have went to Sturgis and protested, rioted, etc. [;)] ITS NOT ABOUT STURGIS. Its an example of a totally uncontrolled environment during the biggest pandemic any of us will see in our lifetimes (hopefully). I don't think people should be flocking to Las Vegas casinos or partying in the hotel pools either.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:35:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Really...how about March & April when it should have been shut down? Sturgis numbers are down about 50% or more from normal...So (people still choose to ride the subway or go to Sturgis)....Sturgis is all some have---similar to Subway transportation. Sturgis attendance was only down 7.5% and spending was higher than last year. I have been on Sturgis Main Street and on a NYC Subway and Sturgis has to be safer from viral infection. One is outdoors in the sun with major ventilation and the other is a confined underground space. One is a happy place where you feel surprisingly safe and one is a sad place where you have to worry about being robbed because once the doors close, you are trapped in a confined space and cannot get out. I think someone only knows subways from watching too many episodes of SVU... Maybe I should make Sturgis assumptions based only on watching Sons of Anarchy?

Phil Riewer -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:40:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Really...how about March & April when it should have been shut down? Sturgis numbers are down about 50% or more from normal...So (people still choose to ride the subway or go to Sturgis)....Sturgis is all some have---similar to Subway transportation. Sturgis attendance was only down 7.5% and spending was higher than last year. I have been on Sturgis Main Street and on a NYC Subway and Sturgis has to be safer from viral infection. One is outdoors in the sun with major ventilation and the other is a confined underground space. One is a happy place where you feel surprisingly safe and one is a sad place where you have to worry about being robbed because once the doors close, you are trapped in a confined space and cannot get out. I think someone only knows subways from watching too many episodes of SVU... Maybe I should make Sturgis assumptions based only on watching Sons of Anarchy? I have ridden the Subway plenty. Ever ridden the Subway in Mexico City?

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:42:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine I think someone only knows subways from watching too many episodes of SVU... Maybe I should make Sturgis assumptions based only on watching Sons of Anarchy? I have been to NYC seven or eight times. My uncle lives in Manhattan. Great place to visit. The subways improved a lot over the years, but they still would be a tricky place for virus spread.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:46:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I have ridden the Subway plenty. Ever ridden the Subway in Mexico City? I bet it is like Asia pre-virus. Packed in with throngs of humanity all around. I can see why Asian countries had large mask usage before the pandemic because there is/was a lot of people packed into small spaces.

Phil Riewer -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:49:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I have ridden the Subway plenty. Ever ridden the Subway in Mexico City? I bet it is like Asia pre-virus. Packed in with throngs of humanity all around. I can see why Asian countries had large mask usage before the pandemic because there is/was a lot of people packed into small spaces. The Buses are worse and more dirty....point is still the same. NY Subway should have been closed in March & April and it wasn't/still isn't. It is now 5 months later it still isn't.... SD didn't close anything down so should it be a surprise anyone they didn't cancel Sturgis? Just because posters have personal bias doesn't mean it was going to happen.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:50:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine I think someone only knows subways from watching too many episodes of SVU... Maybe I should make Sturgis assumptions based only on watching Sons of Anarchy? I have been to NYC seven or eight times. My uncle lives in Manhattan. Great place to visit. The subways improved a lot over the years, but they still would be a tricky place for virus spread. I have nieces and nephews that have ridden it daily since 7th grade. Its not much different than taking a bus elsewhere. And its not spreading on mass transit at this point. Again: yet there have been no notable superspreader events linked to mass transit, according to a survey of transportation agencies conducted by The New York Times. Those findings could be evidence that subways, commuter railways and buses may not be a significant source of transmission, as long as riders wear masks and train cars or buses never become as intensely crowded as they did in pre-pandemic rush hours. The low infection rates on some public transportation systems can be attributed, in part, to measures transit agencies have adopted, including mandating face masks; disinfecting trains and buses; and ramping up service and asking businesses to stagger work hours to reduce rush-hour crowding. The only difference between the people at Sturgis and the idiot kids on Spring Break in Florida is the Sturgis people should know better.

David Levine -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 2:52:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I have ridden the Subway plenty. Ever ridden the Subway in Mexico City? I bet it is like Asia pre-virus. Packed in with throngs of humanity all around. I can see why Asian countries had large mask usage before the pandemic because there is/was a lot of people packed into small spaces. Japan is a perfect example. They have something like 10x the population density of the US, but a fraction of cases by percentage. Because they do shit the right way, while we continue with half measures because we've become such a "what about me?" country that people immediately start crying about their rights and freedoms if they're told they can't do something.

unome -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 3:13:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: unome quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I have ridden the Subway plenty. Ever ridden the Subway in Mexico City? I bet it is like Asia pre-virus. Packed in with throngs of humanity all around. I can see why Asian countries had large mask usage before the pandemic because there is/was a lot of people packed into small spaces. Japan is a perfect example. They have something like 10x the population density of the US, but a fraction of cases by percentage. Because they do shit the right way, while we continue with half measures because we've become such a "what about me?" country that people immediately start crying about their rights and freedoms if they're told they can't do something. Japan is crazy. Well, OK, I have been to Tokyo, but that was packed with people. The Asian countries and culture were in every way better equipped to handle this pandemic. Most everyone there already had their own personal PPEs, especially in the big cities. How many Americans here did outside of those in the medical field? Almost no one. We can debate whether communitarian or individualistic cultures are better, generally, but when it comes to a pandemic, it is communitarian ones. Hands down. Trump did a poor job, but some Americans would never have responded well to mask mandates. Heck, I would be against them as well if masks did not help protect other people. If they only protected the wearer, I would say: hey, your choice. Singapore and China are the polar opposites. China will not let its people say or type a long list of things. Heck, if half of the posters here talked about Xi Jinping they way they talk about Trump: lost jobs and possible imprisonment. Yikes! China is a great place and I like the people there, but their government sucks ***. https://share.america.gov/in-china-you-cant-say-these-words/ In some ways, we are paying the price for being a free and individualistic society, but I hope that does not change too much because of this. Big government and centralized power will eventually take away rights from its citizens and it is hard to get those rights back.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 4:01:39 PM)
Because they do shit the right way, while we continue with half measures because we've become such a "what about me?" country that people immediately start crying about their rights and freedoms if they're told they can't do something. When it was time for the so-called patriots to actually, you know, sacrifice in a tiny way the nation instead got a diet of "Give me liberty and give me death". And it was to be expected as their demigod self-proclaimed himself as "THE LONE WARRIOR!" and was maskless for about 5+ months. But back to the half measures. I knew from the get go things would be half baked which would prolong the impact of the virus. Now we are nearing 200,000 reported deaths and untold suffering.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: Covid 19 and those infected (9/1/2020 4:09:10 PM)
Singapore and China are nowhere near polar opposites in a COVID response type of context (although in other ways of course Singapore is much more open). Singapore's population has a lot of rules imposed on them. I've been there and about 40 other countries. In comparison, a country like Brazil is more of a polar opposite from China.

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