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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Can we all agree if the Oline sucks this season Speilman should be fired?

Nope. I was the first to declare that the O Line sucks back in the last year Peterson won the rushing title. It has been the same or gotten worse since, but I don't think that means we should fire Spielman.

Wrong. Others said the OL sucked before you did.

Wrong. I was the first. No question about it. Peterson was winning the Rushing Title and I still said they sucked. I may have even said they sucked the year before that. I was declaring the OL at that time the worst in Vikings history. I am also the person who for as long as I've been watching NFL Football back in 1970 who said OL is the most important position.

Nope. Others beat you to that conclusion well before.

You have your right to be wrong Bill. If you go back to the posts from that time I was pretty much alone.

You are wrong, deal with it. A group of posters were ahead of you.

You are so very wrong Bill. I don't know if the message board from that time is still accessible, but if it is you will see I was the first and pretty much only one declaring the OL the problem at that time. It doesn't matter how many times you reply saying I was wrong. It doesn't change the facts.

I've gone over the posts from 13 years ago...you're not in there once complaining about the OL. A half frozen other posters, yes. You...nothing.

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ORIGINAL: ronhextall

Can we all agree if the Oline sucks this season Speilman should be fired?

Nope. I was the first to declare that the O Line sucks back in the last year Peterson won the rushing title. It has been the same or gotten worse since, but I don't think that means we should fire Spielman.

Wrong. Others said the OL sucked before you did.

Wrong. I was the first. No question about it. Peterson was winning the Rushing Title and I still said they sucked. I may have even said they sucked the year before that. I was declaring the OL at that time the worst in Vikings history. I am also the person who for as long as I've been watching NFL Football back in 1970 who said OL is the most important position.

Nope. Others beat you to that conclusion well before.

You have your right to be wrong Bill. If you go back to the posts from that time I was pretty much alone.

You are wrong, deal with it. A group of posters were ahead of you.

You are so very wrong Bill. I don't know if the message board from that time is still accessible, but if it is you will see I was the first and pretty much only one declaring the OL the problem at that time. It doesn't matter how many times you reply saying I was wrong. It doesn't change the facts.

I've gone over the posts from 13 years ago...you're not in there once complaining about the OL. A half frozen other posters, yes. You...nothing.

Wow, you were able to go back 13 years ago Todd?

How the hell can you even do that? That’d be hilarious!

Probably a little more flame war centric as well.

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I remember well the cold January day back in 1960 when the Minnesota Vikings were awarded a NFL franchise and I turned to my good friend Bud Grant, then a CFL Coach, and I said: "You know those Vikings are really going to need some offensive line help" and cemented my claim as the first fan in history to complain about the Vikings offensive line.

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I’d stay put or trade down. We need guards. I’d move Cleveland to LT draft two guards high and take my shot at greatness in 2021.

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Brad, I chatted with a 49ers fan last night. He thinks they're going to pick Jones, but he personally likes Lance better. He doesn't think much of Fields.

We'll find out in about 9 1/2 hours.

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I’d stay put or trade down. We need guards. I’d move Cleveland to LT draft two guards high and take my shot at greatness in 2021.

I'm with this POV as well. Hill has been adequate at LT when needed in the past, and Cleveland seems to project better there. The IOL is at crisis levels---still---and it's not clear that Cleveland is a real answer there given his troubles there in pass pro.

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I’d stay put or trade down. We need guards. I’d move Cleveland to LT draft two guards high and take my shot at greatness in 2021.

I'm with this POV as well. Hill has been adequate at LT when needed in the past, and Cleveland seems to project better there. The IOL is at crisis levels---still---and it's not clear that Cleveland is a real answer there given his troubles there in pass pro.

I also agree with this POV. I finally took a half assed shot at the PFF simulator and my picks reflect this approach.

Swapped #14 & 119 for #19 & 51

19. Aloe Vera-Tucker T USC
51. Landon Dickerson C Alabama.
78. Davis Mills QB Stanford
90. Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
125. Milton Williams DT Louisiana Tech
134. Kendrick Green G Illinois
143. Tyree Gillespie S Missouri
157. Shaka Toney ED Penn State
168 Trill Williams CB Syracuse
199 Jamien Sherwood S Auburn

I compared CBS and PFF ratings. As the draft went on I leaned more toward making value picks.
I was determined to go OL with my first two picks. Vera-Tucker seemed like a solid take at 19. Either he or Cleveland should be able to handle tackle. Dickerson can play guard and is much more of a punisher at the position. He has kind of a Dave Dixon quality to him. The downside of that strategy is that the top edge rushers were picked over by pick 78. At that point, I thought the rest were reaches for a couple of rounds. I thought Mills was too good a value to pass up at 78. The other glaring weakness is that there is no #3 WR candidate.

That's it. No doubt some will like it. Some will think it's dumb as ass.

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I’d stay put or trade down. We need guards. I’d move Cleveland to LT draft two guards high and take my shot at greatness in 2021.

I'm with this POV as well. Hill has been adequate at LT when needed in the past, and Cleveland seems to project better there. The IOL is at crisis levels---still---and it's not clear that Cleveland is a real answer there given his troubles there in pass pro.

I also agree with this POV. I finally took a half assed shot at the PFF simulator and my picks reflect this approach.

Swapped #14 & 119 for #19 & 51

19. Aloe Vera-Tucker T USC
51. Landon Dickerson C Alabama.
78. Davis Mills QB Stanford
90. Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
125. Milton Williams DT Louisiana Tech
134. Kendrick Green G Illinois
143. Tyree Gillespie S Missouri
157. Shaka Toney ED Penn State
168 Trill Williams CB Syracuse
199 Jamien Sherwood S Auburn

I compared CBS and PFF ratings. As the draft went on I leaned more toward making value picks.
I was determined to go OL with my first two picks. Vera-Tucker seemed like a solid take at 19. Either he or Cleveland should be able to handle tackle. Dickerson can play guard and is much more of a punisher at the position. He has kind of a Dave Dixon quality to him. The downside of that strategy is that the top edge rushers were picked over by pick 78. At that point, I thought the rest were reaches for a couple of rounds. I thought Mills was too good a value to pass up at 78. The other glaring weakness is that there is no #3 WR candidate.

That's it. No doubt some will like it. Some will think it's dumb as ass.

If we come away with AVT and Dickerson, I will be more than satisfied with the draft. Huge upgrades in the interior oline. I like the Toney pick at that point in the draft, too.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I’d stay put or trade down. We need guards. I’d move Cleveland to LT draft two guards high and take my shot at greatness in 2021.

I'm with this POV as well. Hill has been adequate at LT when needed in the past, and Cleveland seems to project better there. The IOL is at crisis levels---still---and it's not clear that Cleveland is a real answer there given his troubles there in pass pro.

I also agree with this POV. I finally took a half assed shot at the PFF simulator and my picks reflect this approach.

Swapped #14 & 119 for #19 & 51

19. Aloe Vera-Tucker T USC
51. Landon Dickerson C Alabama.
78. Davis Mills QB Stanford
90. Kelvin Joseph CB Kentucky
125. Milton Williams DT Louisiana Tech
134. Kendrick Green G Illinois
143. Tyree Gillespie S Missouri
157. Shaka Toney ED Penn State
168 Trill Williams CB Syracuse
199 Jamien Sherwood S Auburn

I compared CBS and PFF ratings. As the draft went on I leaned more toward making value picks.
I was determined to go OL with my first two picks. Vera-Tucker seemed like a solid take at 19. Either he or Cleveland should be able to handle tackle. Dickerson can play guard and is much more of a punisher at the position. He has kind of a Dave Dixon quality to him. The downside of that strategy is that the top edge rushers were picked over by pick 78. At that point, I thought the rest were reaches for a couple of rounds. I thought Mills was too good a value to pass up at 78. The other glaring weakness is that there is no #3 WR candidate.

That's it. No doubt some will like it. Some will think it's dumb as ass.

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First round. What I think the Vikings will do. What I hope the Vikings do:

What they will do: DL/edge *

The main topic seems to be OL. Yes that's a perennial need it seems. But I think they go DL/edge. It's been several years now since they've picked DL in the first round. combine that with the nondescript, bland performance of the line last year, combine with Zimmer's focus on defense and I just think it's by far the most likely scenario. They'll figure they can bolster OL later, and get the blue chip DL in round 1. YEs I know there aren't many of them this year, but the Vikings are not drafting very high either, and the may move down more. See disclaimer. So most likely is Michigan guy?

What I hope they do: Same. DL/edge.

This is one of those years where I'm in agreement. They need a defensive line monster. Yes I know the OL needs help...as always. And I'm usually urging them on to get it. But last year the DL was worse. Yes I know Hunter was hurt. But the ragtag group they limped through the season with last year was pathetic. Near the bottom in sacks. And they didn't pressure or disrupt anybody. The DL is in far worse shape then the OL.

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Having said all that. There is no way trader Rick sits out the 2nd round. It would absolutely kill him. The Vikings 100% will have a second round pick one way or another. So that likely means a trade down? We'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

First round. What I think the Vikings will do. What I hope the Vikings do:

What they will do: DL/edge *

The main topic seems to be OL. Yes that's a perennial need it seems. But I think they go DL/edge. It's been several years now since they've picked DL in the first round. combine that with the nondescript, bland performance of the line last year, combine with Zimmer's focus on defense and I just think it's by far the most likely scenario. They'll figure they can bolster OL later, and get the blue chip DL in round 1. YEs I know there aren't many of them this year, but the Vikings are not drafting very high either, and the may move down more. See disclaimer. So most likely is Michigan guy?

What I hope they do: Same. DL/edge.

This is one of those years where I'm in agreement. They need a defensive line monster. Yes I know the OL needs help...as always. And I'm usually urging them on to get it. But last year the DL was worse. Yes I know Hunter was hurt. But the ragtag group they limped through the season with last year was pathetic. Near the bottom in sacks. And they didn't pressure or disrupt anybody. The DL is in far worse shape then the OL.

* A disclaimer:
Having said all that. There is no way trader Rick sits out the 2nd round. It would absolutely kill him. The Vikings 100% will have a second round pick one way or another. So that likely means a trade down? We'll see.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

First round. What I think the Vikings will do. What I hope the Vikings do:

What they will do: DL/edge *

The main topic seems to be OL. Yes that's a perennial need it seems. But I think they go DL/edge. It's been several years now since they've picked DL in the first round. combine that with the nondescript, bland performance of the line last year, combine with Zimmer's focus on defense and I just think it's by far the most likely scenario. They'll figure they can bolster OL later, and get the blue chip DL in round 1. YEs I know there aren't many of them this year, but the Vikings are not drafting very high either, and the may move down more. See disclaimer. So most likely is Michigan guy?

What I hope they do: Same. DL/edge.

This is one of those years where I'm in agreement. They need a defensive line monster. Yes I know the OL needs help...as always. And I'm usually urging them on to get it. But last year the DL was worse. Yes I know Hunter was hurt. But the ragtag group they limped through the season with last year was pathetic. Near the bottom in sacks. And they didn't pressure or disrupt anybody. The DL is in far worse shape then the OL.

* A disclaimer:
Having said all that. There is no way trader Rick sits out the 2nd round. It would absolutely kill him. The Vikings 100% will have a second round pick one way or another. So that likely means a trade down? We'll see.

Agree and disagree. OL was far worse, and they're getting back both Pierce and Hunter along with the additions of Weatherly and Tomlinson. Wonnum is developing as well.

There has been no upgrade for the horrendous IOL, and tackle is far worse with the departure of Reiff.

If the Vikes don't go IOL in the first, they'd better be stellar the rest of the way or it could be a very long year.

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I just checked the posts from 40 years ago and there are a bunch of posters saying the O-line needs help but none from kg.

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I remember well the cold January day back in 1960 when the Minnesota Vikings were awarded a NFL franchise and I turned to my good friend Bud Grant, then a CFL Coach, and I said: "You know those Vikings are really going to need some offensive line help" and cemented my claim as the first fan in history to complain about the Vikings offensive line.

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My final PFF mock



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