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David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/5/2021 1:20:22 PM)

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Kirk Cousins
It’s easy to sympathize with Kirk Cousins’ place in the NFL, a player who performs statistically like a high-end quarterback but is never seriously considered to be an elite passer. A lot of that sympathy disappeared quickly for Vikings fans, who are aware of how much cap space Cousins takes up and what’s to be expected of him as the leader of the franchise. The Vikings don’t seem as committed to Cousins as they once were after drafting Mond in the third round, though a pristine performance in 2021 would ease any concerns they might have had.

Strengths: In many ways, Cousins serves as perfect quarterback teaching tape given his strong grasp of the fundamentals. He demonstrates excellent pre-snap awareness and defensive diagnosis that allows him to identify the correct first read and he layers that understanding with good post-snap processing. As a rhythm thrower, he does a good job getting the ball out on time and before the route breaks for receivers and excels at ball placement and accuracy in standard situations. He has demonstrated accuracy to all three levels of the field over the past several years and avoids turning the ball over — of 42 quarterbacks since 2018 with at least 500 attempts, Cousins has the sixth-lowest turnover-worthy play rate. Of the 30 with at least 750 attempts, Cousins ranks fourth, behind Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady and Russell Wilson. He is excellent on play-action and does a great job of handling the ball. Has good arm strength and can thread tight windows or push the ball deep on a low trajectory. Has a strong arm, good accuracy and excellent pre-snap reads make him a good red zone quarterback; of 43 QBs with 75-plus red zone attempts in the last three years, Cousins ranks third in first-down rate, seventh in touchdown rate and fourth in adjusted net yards per dropback.

Weaknesses: Issues with situational awareness cropped up again in 2020 as his third-down rate dropped and he only managed one fourth-quarter comeback despite ample opportunity. That echoes issues from 2019, where he only earned one such comeback. Performance against pressure and the blitz dropped as well. While he is generally aggressive, he doesn’t ratchet up his aggressiveness when necessary, which is likely one of the causes of his poor play from behind. He over-relies on structure and is poor with improvisational play, ranking 18th of 25 quarterbacks in EPA per play when on the move against pressure. His accuracy has limitations, too. He is above average at getting the ball to receivers but below average creating optimal catch opportunities for YAC or preventing unnecessary receiver adjustments to the ball. Still has a relatively high rate of fumbles under pressure.

Kellen Mond
The amount of hope Vikings fans are placing in Kellen Mond can sometimes be a little amusing given his draft pedigree, but it’s difficult to blame fans for wanting more than the disappointing results they’ve seen from the team so far. As a third-round pick, Mond is neither expected to be a camp body nor an instant starter. Given the luxury of development at the cost of security and front-end compensation, Mond will be an interesting test case for the Vikings’ offensive coaching staff.

Strengths: Mond has a strong arm and a quick release and has blended those two assets together exceptionally well, finding ways to overcome tight windows and timing errors to get the ball to his receivers. Does an excellent job avoiding turnovers and keeping the ball out of harm’s way. Has a positive approach to pressure; not fazed by players in the pocket and gets rid of the ball quickly. Good intuition for attacking blitzes and punishing teams for vacated defenders. His pre-snap reads are typically on point and he knows where to go with the ball off the jump. Can manipulate safeties with his eyes, holding them to the opposite side of his throw. Good athlete, has quick feet and a lot of speed, demonstrating both agility and straight-line speed. Durable; he didn’t miss a start for Texas A&M.

Weaknesses: Accuracy isn’t always there and occasional timing issues magnify the problem. Ball placement is a problem and can limit YAC on otherwise YAC-friendly plays or make catches more difficult than they need to be. Has issues with the deep ball, both in terms of accuracy and pulling the trigger; can ignore reads for deep throws when they’re open. These problems severely limit the big-play capability of his offense — Texas A&M ranked 83rd in the rate of plays going over 20 yards in 2020. Despite timidity in deep-ball decision-making, he can be too aggressive over the middle and in tight windows. It never turned into a turnover problem in college but could in the NFL. While he can move through progressions quickly and manipulate safeties, he can get stuck staring a receiver down if his pre-snap read is correct. His athleticism isn’t integrated into his play; he’s not a particularly proficient scrambler and is not great at throwing on the run.

Jake Browning
Thrust into a more important role with the departure of Sean Mannion, Jake Browning looks like the primary backup quarterback — at least until Mond learns enough to take on the role. His position as the primary backup isn’t particularly secure either; not only may Mond develop faster than the Vikings expect, but Stanley could improve enough to supplant Browning. For now, however, Browning looks like the break-glass-in-case-of-emergency option.

Strengths: Browning improved in 2019 and 2020 training camp in terms of arm strength and ball velocity and had some opportunity in the 2019 preseason to showcase his improvement. Great at reading defenses, both pre- and post-snap. Quick decision-maker and gets rid of the ball on time — throws at the break and on top of the drop, showcasing anticipation. Accuracy is generally quite good. Quick, developed footwork both as a dropback passer and throwing on the run.

Weaknesses: Even with improved mechanics, he has worrisome arm strength. His arm velocity issues were so bad coming in as a rookie that the Vikings placed Browning on the practice squad primarily to improve that quality. Early showings in minicamp still demonstrate velocity is a problem, with single-coverage throws turning into double coverage by the time the ball arrives. His accuracy intermediate and short doesn’t mean much when throwing deep as the ball can be late on deeper throws. Not much of a tight window thrower and needs more space to feel comfortable pulling the trigger. Performance against pressure can be too risk-averse; he is quick to check down and avoids big-play opportunities when scrambling. Has difficulty improvising when first reads aren’t there and prefers to scramble over getting to the later reads in a progression. Despite good movement in the pocket, he doesn’t threaten much as an athlete and gains minimal yardage as a runner. There hasn’t been much opportunity to see if his mechanical changes have stuck — no 2020 preseason and limited 2019 preseason reps.

https://theathletic.com/2688484/2021/07/05/minnesota-vikings-roster-breakdown-a-make-or-break-year-for-qb-kirk-cousins/




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/5/2021 3:24:28 PM)

ESPN suggests one last offseason move for the Vikings
And it sounds like they’re already working on it
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With just a couple of weeks to go before the start of Training Camp, the Minnesota Vikings are undoubtedly making last-minute preparations before everyone heads to Eagan. While the Vikings have turned around their salary cap situation a bit, the folks from ESPN have suggested one last offseason move for our favorite team.

Behind the great E$PN paywall, analyst Field Yates suggests that the purple can put a bow on this offseason by putting together an extension for star safety Harrison Smith.

The supremely talented Smith is entering the final year of a five-year extension that he signed in 2016, and he has earned every penny of that deal so far. While extending a 32-year-old isn’t something you see frequently, Smith should be an exception. He’s still playing at a high level and rarely misses time. (He has just six games missed over the past seven seasons.)
Smith has a cap figure of around $10.2 million for this season, but he doesn’t have anything left in his extension in terms of guaranteed money. An extension would likely lower his cap figure for this year and give him some of those guarantees in the hopes that he will end his outstanding career in the same place that he started it.

The good news is that the Vikings are already way ahead of the game on this one, as extension talks with Smith have “picked up significantly” over the course of the last few days, according to Darren Wolfson of KSTP in the Twin Cities. Wolfson also reports that the Vikings have entered into extension talks with offensive tackle Brian O’Neill, who is in the final year of his rookie contract.




bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/6/2021 11:42:37 AM)

How long/how much for Harry?

I'd like to keep him, but not for too long or too much.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/6/2021 12:46:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

How long/how much for Harry?

I'd like to keep him, but not for too long or too much.

Thinking 30ml for 3 years with an out after 2 years.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/6/2021 1:41:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

How long/how much for Harry?

I'd like to keep him, but not for too long or too much.

Thinking 30ml for 3 years with an out after 2 years.


Yeah that would be perfect.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2021 2:52:28 PM)

The New England Patriots had explored trade opportunities for N’Keal Harry when the receiver’s agent demanded a trade on Tuesday, according to NFL Network’s Michael Giardi. New England couldn’t find a return for the receiver to their liking. And so Harry’s public trade request may only weaken the Patriots’ position for negotiation.

If that means New England is at the point where it recognizes it has to take a disappointing offer, then perhaps more teams will come calling in the next few weeks. Harry should have no shortage of suitors, even after two unimpressive years in New England.


Harry was awesome in college and might be worth a stab depending on the price tag.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2021 2:58:56 PM)

New England may be able to get a seventh or another team’s bubble player this year if they can find a team where wideout is a position of need

Harry may well be a nut case I have no idea but not being able to beat out the likes of:

While he didn’t have the best quarterback situation last year, Harry was passed on the depth chart by Jakobi Meyers, an undrafted wideout from the same draft class. Newcomer Damiere Byrd even leaped over the former Arizona Wildcat, nearly doubling his yard production




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/7/2021 9:30:26 PM)

Stick a fork in this whole thread.




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 5:29:50 AM)

There's literally nothing to talk about or even fight about atm.

We're basically set up perfectly and awaiting our SB season to play out.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 7:28:12 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bstinger

How long/how much for Harry?

I'd like to keep him, but not for too long or too much.

If you are talking Harrison Smith, I agree. Dude hasn't been a great player for about three years. Always seems to disappear when it matters.




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 7:40:44 AM)

I expect certain players to kill it this year. Smith, Barr..
being used aggressively. Zim is going to unleash this year. Partly bc it's been too long without producing a championship and he'll have a deep talented team. The stars can shine instead of covering for weaknesses in a bend don't break.

Esp expect to see a Barr flash a lot. We've seen a little piece here and there...he's going to be a monster.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 8:30:14 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

There's literally nothing to talk about or even fight about atm.

We're basically set up perfectly and awaiting our SB season to play out.

I'm all in Todd! I've spent a lot of years being extremely cynical about this team and all it's done is take away the fun of being a fan of the team. This is our year! If an avowed atheist can have blind faith, why can't I? [;)]




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 8:43:24 AM)

Love it!




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 8:56:06 AM)

Replacing the Hope Bandwagon with the Domination Bandwagon.

At least for this year...




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 8:56:55 AM)

Yeah I don’t know what else to say or talk about. Sure there are some unknowns about how the rookies will pan out but there’s really very few questions about who will play where .




DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 9:09:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

Yeah I don’t know what else to say or talk about. Sure there are some unknowns about how the rookies will pan out but there’s really very few questions about who will play where .


Eric Kendricks moves to emergency WR.

This change makes a lot of sense, as Anthony Barr can play emergency RB, and Chazz Surratt can play emergency QB.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 9:11:42 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I expect certain players to kill it this year. Smith, Barr..
being used aggressively. Zim is going to unleash this year. Partly bc it's been too long without producing a championship and he'll have a deep talented team. The stars can shine instead of covering for weaknesses in a bend don't break.

Esp expect to see a Barr flash a lot. We've seen a little piece here and there...he's going to be a monster.

All depends on how the young kids can cover. If you can't do that, you can't win in 2021. Plain and simple.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 9:21:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I expect certain players to kill it this year. Smith, Barr..
being used aggressively. Zim is going to unleash this year. Partly bc it's been too long without producing a championship and he'll have a deep talented team. The stars can shine instead of covering for weaknesses in a bend don't break.

Esp expect to see a Barr flash a lot. We've seen a little piece here and there...he's going to be a monster.

All depends on how the young kids can cover. If you can't do that, you can't win in 2021. Plain and simple.

Right now Dantzler is the only young kid who is going to have to cover. The rest of the secondary has been overhauled with vets. Surratt may also be a kid who has to run and cover this year. Defensively it's going to come down to how well the revamped d-line can pressure.

On offense, it's no mystery. Darrisaw needs to at least match what Reiff did in the pass block and exceed him in the run game. Davis needs to be that point of attack mauler who can stymie the inside pass rush. If Cleveland has gotten stronger, it could make all the difference in the world for him.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 9:31:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I expect certain players to kill it this year. Smith, Barr..
being used aggressively. Zim is going to unleash this year. Partly bc it's been too long without producing a championship and he'll have a deep talented team. The stars can shine instead of covering for weaknesses in a bend don't break.

Esp expect to see a Barr flash a lot. We've seen a little piece here and there...he's going to be a monster.

All depends on how the young kids can cover. If you can't do that, you can't win in 2021. Plain and simple.

Right now Dantzler is the only young kid who is going to have to cover. The rest of the secondary has been overhauled with vets. Surratt may also be a kid who has to run and cover this year. Defensively it's going to come down to how well the revamped d-line can pressure.

On offense, it's no mystery. Darrisaw needs to at least match what Reiff did in the pass block and exceed him in the run game. Davis needs to be that point of attack mauler who can stymie the inside pass rush. If Cleveland has gotten stronger, it could make all the difference in the world for him.

Young or old, if you can't cover you can't compete in professional football in 2021.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 9:39:04 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: TJSweens

quote:

ORIGINAL: Brad H

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I expect certain players to kill it this year. Smith, Barr..
being used aggressively. Zim is going to unleash this year. Partly bc it's been too long without producing a championship and he'll have a deep talented team. The stars can shine instead of covering for weaknesses in a bend don't break.

Esp expect to see a Barr flash a lot. We've seen a little piece here and there...he's going to be a monster.

All depends on how the young kids can cover. If you can't do that, you can't win in 2021. Plain and simple.

Right now Dantzler is the only young kid who is going to have to cover. The rest of the secondary has been overhauled with vets. Surratt may also be a kid who has to run and cover this year. Defensively it's going to come down to how well the revamped d-line can pressure.

On offense, it's no mystery. Darrisaw needs to at least match what Reiff did in the pass block and exceed him in the run game. Davis needs to be that point of attack mauler who can stymie the inside pass rush. If Cleveland has gotten stronger, it could make all the difference in the world for him.

Young or old, if you can't cover you can't compete in professional football in 2021.

No doubt about that. I think the hope is that with the added veterans, it will be easier to scheme pass coverages.




Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 3:51:20 PM)

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210708/the-billionaire-playbook-how-sports-owners-use-their-teams-to-avoid-millions-in-taxes

This story was originally published by ProPublica. The Secret IRS Files is an ongoing reporting project.

At a concession stand at Staples Center in Los Angeles, Adelaide Avila was pingponging between pouring beers, wiping down counters and taking out the trash. Her Los Angeles Lakers were playing their hometown rival, the Clippers, but Avila was working too hard to follow the March 2019 game.

When she filed taxes for her previous year's labors at the arena and her second job driving for Uber, the 50-year-old Avila reported making $44,810. The federal government took a 14.1% cut.

On the court that night, the players were also hard at work. None more so than LeBron James. The Lakers star was suffering through a painful strained groin injury, but he still put up more points and played more minutes than any other player.

In his tax return, James reported making $124 million in 2018. He paid a federal income tax rate of 35.9%. Not surprisingly, it was more than double the rate paid by Avila.

The wealthiest person in the building that night, in all likelihood, was Steve Ballmer, owner of the Clippers. The evening was decidedly less arduous for the billionaire former CEO of Microsoft. He sat courtside, in a pink dress shirt and slacks, surrounded by friends. His legs were outstretched, his shoes almost touching the sideline.

Ballmer had reason to smile: His Clippers won. But even if they hadn't, his ownership of the team was reaping him massive tax benefits.

For the prior year, Ballmer reported making $656 million. The dollar figure he paid in taxes was large, $78 million; but as a percentage of what he made, it was tiny. Records reviewed by ProPublica show his federal income tax rate was just 12%.

That's a third of the rate James paid, even though Ballmer made five times as much as the superstar player. Ballmer's rate was also lower than Avila's -- even though Ballmer's income was almost 15,000 times greater than the concession worker's.

Ballmer pays such a low rate, in part, because of a provision of the U.S. tax code. When someone buys a business, they're often able to deduct almost the entire sale price against their income during the ensuing years. That allows them to pay less in taxes. The underlying logic is that the purchase price was composed of assets -- buildings, equipment, patents and more -- that degrade over time and should be counted as expenses.

But in few industries is that tax treatment more detached from economic reality than in professional sports. Teams' most valuable assets, such as TV deals and player contracts, are virtually guaranteed to regenerate because sports franchises are essentially monopolies. There's little risk that players will stop playing for Ballmer's Clippers or that TV stations will stop airing their games. But Ballmer still gets to deduct the value of those assets over time, almost $2 billion in all, from his taxable income.

This allows Ballmer to perform a kind of financial magic trick. If he profits from the Clippers, he can -- legally -- inform the IRS that he is losing money, thus saving vast sums on his taxes. If the Clippers are unprofitable in a given year, he can tell the IRS he's losing vastly more.

Glimpses of the Clippers' real-world financial results show the business has often been profitable. Those include audited financials disclosed in a Bank of America report just before Ballmer bought the team, as well as NBA records that were leaked after he became owner.

But IRS records obtained by ProPublica show the Clippers have reported $700 million in losses for tax purposes in recent years. Not only does Ballmer not have to pay tax on any real-world Clippers profits, he can use the tax write-off to offset his other income.

Ballmer isn't alone. ProPublica reviewed tax information for dozens of team owners across the four largest American pro sports leagues. Owners frequently report incomes for their teams that are millions below their real-world earnings, according to the tax records, previously leaked team financial records and interviews with experts.

They include Shahid Khan, an automotive tycoon who made use of at least $79 million in losses from a stake in the Jacksonville Jaguars even as his football team has consistently been projected to bring in millions a year. And Leonard Wilf, a New Jersey real estate developer who owns the Minnesota Vikings with family members, has taken $66 million in losses from his minority stake in the team.

Etc.....




Pauldiercks1 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 4:18:35 PM)

Have faith Brad. The Vikes are going to cover!!
Young, old, they are going to cover their asses off. This is the season for optimism.




jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 5:05:59 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210708/the-billionaire-playbook-how-sports-owners-use-their-teams-to-avoid-millions-in-taxes

...

For the prior year, Ballmer reported making $656 million. The dollar figure he paid in taxes was large, $78 million; but as a percentage of what he made, it was tiny. Records reviewed by ProPublica show his federal income tax rate was just 12%.

That's a third of the rate James paid, even though Ballmer made five times as much as the superstar player. Ballmer's rate was also lower than Avila's -- even though Ballmer's income was almost 15,000 times greater than the concession worker's.

Ballmer pays such a low rate, in part, because of a provision of the U.S. tax code. When someone buys a business, they're often able to deduct almost the entire sale price against their income during the ensuing years. That allows them to pay less in taxes. The underlying logic is that the purchase price was composed of assets -- buildings, equipment, patents and more -- that degrade over time and should be counted as expenses.

...

One of the many reasons why the rich get richer.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 7:27:16 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Todd M

I expect certain players to kill it this year. Smith, Barr..
being used aggressively. Zim is going to unleash this year. Partly bc it's been too long without producing a championship and he'll have a deep talented team. The stars can shine instead of covering for weaknesses in a bend don't break.

Esp expect to see a Barr flash a lot. We've seen a little piece here and there...he's going to be a monster.



imo; zimmer has to change the way he game manages the offense, too...allow kid kubiak to keep his foot on the accelerator, even when we're ahead by four points in the 3rd quarter...run the score up and no prevent defense - go full tilt for 95% of the game....

even in the games that we win it seems like we're hanging on for dear life at the end - we let the opposing teams seize the momentum and back into the game...phuck that - crush and kill....




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/8/2021 7:29:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: jbusse

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

https://www.dailyherald.com/news/20210708/the-billionaire-playbook-how-sports-owners-use-their-teams-to-avoid-millions-in-taxes

...

For the prior year, Ballmer reported making $656 million. The dollar figure he paid in taxes was large, $78 million; but as a percentage of what he made, it was tiny. Records reviewed by ProPublica show his federal income tax rate was just 12%.

That's a third of the rate James paid, even though Ballmer made five times as much as the superstar player. Ballmer's rate was also lower than Avila's -- even though Ballmer's income was almost 15,000 times greater than the concession worker's.

Ballmer pays such a low rate, in part, because of a provision of the U.S. tax code. When someone buys a business, they're often able to deduct almost the entire sale price against their income during the ensuing years. That allows them to pay less in taxes. The underlying logic is that the purchase price was composed of assets -- buildings, equipment, patents and more -- that degrade over time and should be counted as expenses.

...

One of the many reasons why the rich get richer.



depreciation; and it exists in almost every western country on the planet....




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