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ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/13/2021 12:33:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David Levine

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Both our vested veterans and are not eligiable for the PS even under the new relaxed rules


Last year they would have been. This year it's unlikely.

COVID rule change for the 2020 season:
Up to six players may be on a practice squad without worrying about how many seasons they have accrued. This is a pretty significant change. Previously, the 10 players couldn’t have more than two seasons accrued. This made it so teams were either forced to sign these players going into their third season or allow them to stick on elsewhere. It was a practice that may have ended more NFL dreams than continued them.

That restriction still exists for 10 of the players on the practice squad, but now those extra six players can be veterans if a team so chooses.


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Bill Jandro



it wouldn't surprise me if they used the 2020 rules again - it's not like we've beaten the thing with all its maddening mutations....

i like our young DEs, but they're unproven, as is our safety depth - if we're all in this year then they should sign both of those guys...they're versed in the basic system and we need to know they're in playing shape - remember iloka and the titan's game? - we don't want that....




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/14/2021 3:11:40 PM)

Richard Sherman appears to be in a bit of trouble. Weird. Usually they sign with us first and then do that stuff.




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/14/2021 6:59:51 PM)

That 911 operator is a real piece of work.




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/14/2021 8:26:19 PM)

I agree with that ...

What I get out of the call is he's really drunk. I didn't get the feeling he did anything to get black listed from the NFL




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/15/2021 9:39:14 AM)

I literally laughed out loud. 'The Worst Game in MNF History'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMAhIoqJEg




Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/15/2021 12:34:49 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I literally laughed out loud. 'The Worst Game in MNF History'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMAhIoqJEg


Wonder how many guessed the game. I did. Guessing 80%.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/15/2021 1:03:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Todd M

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I literally laughed out loud. 'The Worst Game in MNF History'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSMAhIoqJEg


Wonder how many guessed the game. I did. Guessing 80%.

It was pretty easy considering this is a Vikings message board.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/15/2021 1:38:32 PM)

Forever meme josh freeman..

What a joke, only joe Webb or Kyle” strip sack, fumble, returned for a touchdown” Bollinger have been bigger embarrassment…

But I’m old.. 0-41 and “HTAFK” and “Walshed it”.. rank right up there with all 4 SB losses I had to sit and rage through..

EDIT: Dickweed Favrey throwing that cross field, cross body interception… my mind refuses to accept that as reality…




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/15/2021 2:42:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

Forever meme josh freeman..

What a joke, only joe Webb or Kyle” strip sack, fumble, returned for a touchdown” Bollinger have been bigger embarrassment…

But I’m old.. 0-41 and “HTAFK” and “Walshed it”.. rank right up there with all 4 SB losses I had to sit and rage through..

EDIT: Dickweed Favrey throwing that cross field, cross body interception… my mind refuses to accept that as reality…

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kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/16/2021 11:48:56 AM)

I just did a Google search looking for any news about Jaylen Twyman's recovery. Nothing since this report from his mother on June 23rd almost a month old now.

After Minnesota Vikings rookie Jaylen Twyman was shot multiple times on Monday, his mother, Stephanie, shared encouraging news on his condition.

“I’m hurt and I know that it can happen to anyone,” Stephanie Twyman told NBC4. “I want [people] to know that Jaylen is fine. He’s strong. He’s going to make a 100% recovery.”

Twyman was shot in Washington D.C. while he was visiting family in the area. Three other victims were shot as well and are also expected to recover. Stephanie Twyman explained that her son was able to survive the shooting due to the bullets only causing superficial exit wounds.

Jaylen Twyman, 21, was born in Washington D.C. and attended H.D. Woodson High School in Northeast, Washington. After a strong career in high school, Twyman joined the University of Pittsburgh football program. As a redshirt sophomore at Pitt, he notched 41 tackles and 10.5 sacks while starting all 13 games.

Less than two months ago, Twyman saw his NFL dreams come true as the Minnesota Vikings selected him in the sixth round of the 2021 NFL Draft. While Twyman will need time to recover from the injuries, he remains in good spirits and his mother expects him to be back on the football field soon.

“I’m feeling blessed. I’m feeling blessed that my son is alive. My son is well,” Stephanie Twyman said.

If anybody can find an update I'd love to see/hear it.
His High School coach from June 22nd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odaNJ_Q5vyo




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/18/2021 3:23:08 PM)

Our guy Ihmir:
(from a Twitter post)

https://twitter.com/UKVikings/status/1416804967969660937?s=20




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/18/2021 10:41:38 PM)

"was able to survive the shooting due to the bullets only causing superficial exit wounds."

So the bullets never "entered?




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/18/2021 10:50:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

"was able to survive the shooting due to the bullets only causing superficial exit wounds."

So the bullets never "entered?


The shooter was INSIDE HIM!




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 7:23:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

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ORIGINAL: thebigo

"was able to survive the shooting due to the bullets only causing superficial exit wounds."

So the bullets never "entered?


The shooter was INSIDE HIM!

He was shot point negative




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 10:38:12 AM)

ESPN:

2021 NFL position-by-position rankings: 50-plus coaches, execs, players make their picks

Who's the NFL's best cornerback? Wide receiver? Offensive tackle? What about the second-best defensive tackle -- after Aaron Donald? To preview the 2021 NFL season, we set out to answer those questions and much more.

We surveyed more than 50 league executives, coaches, scouts and players to help us stack the top 10 players at 11 different positions, from edge rusher to interior offensive linemen and all the way through tight ends. This is the second edition of these rankings, and there are several players who moved up and dropped from last year's lists.

Here's how our process worked: Voters gave us their best 10 to 15 players at a position, then we compiled the results and ranked candidates based on number of top-10 votes, composite average, interviews, research and film-study help from ESPN NFL analyst Matt Bowen. We had several ties, so we broke them by isolating the two-man matchup with additional voting and follow-up calls. Each section is packed with quotes and nuggets from the voters on every guy -- even the honorable mentions.

The objective is to identify the best players right now for 2021. This is not a five-year projection or an achievement award. Who's the best today? Pretty simple.

We've compiled links to all 11 position groups here, so consider this your homepage for the entire series.


VIKINGS:

EDGE RUSHERS:


10. Danielle Hunter, Minnesota Vikings
Highest ranking: 4 | Lowest ranking: Unranked
Age: 26 | Last year's ranking: Honorable mention

Hunter finished just outside of the top 10 going into last season, but voters recognized just how much the Vikings missed him in 2020. The numbers say Minnesota's pass production cut nearly in half without Hunter, who missed the entire season after undergoing surgery to repair a herniated disc.

Since 2019, the Vikings have 42 sacks on opponents' 527 dropbacks (8%) with Hunter on the field, yet 29 sacks on 679 dropbacks (4.3%) with Hunter off the field. Hunter racked up 56 pressures by himself in 2019, yet the Vikings had 137 total pressures as a team last season, fourth-fewest in the NFL.

Still underpaid on a five-year, $72 million deal, expect Hunter to remind Minnesota of his worth in 2021.

"He's kind of like Myles Garrett in that he's built like a Marvel character," an AFC scout said. "Special traits and he has length to win and counter moves to go with it."

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LINEBACKERS:

7. Eric Kendricks, Minnesota Vikings
Highest ranking: 1 | Lowest ranking: 12
Age: 29 | Last year's ranking: 3

Kendricks fell from the top five, in part because of the young talents climbing the list. He was still productive with six pass deflections and three interceptions in 11 games, along with an 82.6 rating from Pro Football Focus. The Vikings sorely missed him down the stretch, as he didn't play the final five games. Overall last season, Minnesota allowed 4.3 yards per carry when he was on the field and 5.1 yards per carry when he was on the sideline or out injured.

"When I think of an ILB, he's who I think of -- diagnose plays, physical tackler, good zone instincts, above-average blitzer. He's one of the best from that second group," a veteran AFC coach said.

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SAFETIES:

5. Harrison Smith, Minnesota Vikings
Highest ranking: 3 | Lowest ranking: 7
Age: 32 | Last year's ranking: 2

Age is the only thing slowing Smith down. One high-ranking AFC evaluator called Smith "the gold standard for the last half-decade" at safety. Reputation and consistency earn Smith high votes, but most agree that his best years might be behind him.

Still, his production at age 31 last year was impressive, with five interceptions and 10 pass deflections. He relies on being an "incredibly smart" player at this stage of his career, as an NFC offensive coach said. Smith is a true center fielder in the Vikings' defense while leading the communication for the secondary.

"Unbelievable at disguise," the coach said. "He knows where he has to get to on the field -- as good as there is at that. The question now is can he still get there?"

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QUARTERBACKS:

Quarterbacks also receiving votes:

Kirk Cousins, Minnesota Vikings: "He's a good player. He's easy to nitpick, but he's productive and great for that system." -- NFC exec

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RUNNING BACKS:

3. Dalvin Cook, Minnesota Vikings
Highest ranking: 1 | Lowest ranking: 7
Age: 25 | Last year's ranking: 6

Cook followed a contract extension with his best season yet, posting career highs in attempts (312), rushing yards (1,557), rushing touchdowns (16) and yards per carry (5.0).

He did all this despite missing two games. A full season would have pushed him closer to an 1,800-yard clip.

"I always look for versatility -- catch the ball out of the backfield, run outside the tackles and display explosive traits," said an AFC exec who voted Cook at No. 1. "Cook exhibits that better than anyone else."

Cook's 91 rushing first downs are second to Henry's 98 despite 66 fewer carries (378 to 312). He has caught at least 40 passes in each of the past three years and is a one-cut dynamo in the red zone, producing 222 yards on 58 carries inside the 20, highest among backs with more than 30 red zone attempts.

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WIDE RECEIVERS:

Honorable mention:

Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings: "He has almost like a Eurostep where he can Gumby his way into routes." -- AFC scout

Adam Thielen, Minnesota Vikings: "Savvy technique, route running, counter moves, toughness, he's still so good. And he has a knack for making plays in the end zone." -- AFC offensive coach




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 11:20:50 AM)

They had me until they got to wide receivers. Jefferson and Thielen at honorable mention means ten WRs ranked higher. Hmm...

For sure belong in the top 10: Diggs, Adams, Hopkins, Hill, Thomas
Probably belong in the top 10: AJ Brown, Allen Robinson
Case could be made for top 10: Antonio Brown, Corey Davis, Julio, Keenan Allen, DK Metcalf, Will Fuller, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp

So in my scenario let's say the top five are locked in, that leaves ten more players for the last five spots. Is AJ Brown better than our guys or at least as good? Probably. Allen Robinson? I don't think so. The other eight? Not a chance.

This goes to show why executives, coaches, scouts, and players are historically poor evaluators of talent. That being said it's just a silly list so there's no harm in it.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 12:01:12 PM)

Danielle Hunter at 10 only if you think he won't come back fully from his injury. Otherwise #1.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 12:31:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

They had me until they got to wide receivers. Jefferson and Thielen at honorable mention means ten WRs ranked higher. Hmm...

For sure belong in the top 10: Diggs, Adams, Hopkins, Hill, Thomas
Probably belong in the top 10: AJ Brown, Allen Robinson
Case could be made for top 10: Antonio Brown, Corey Davis, Julio, Keenan Allen, DK Metcalf, Will Fuller, Mike Evans, Cooper Kupp

So in my scenario let's say the top five are locked in, that leaves ten more players for the last five spots. Is AJ Brown better than our guys or at least as good? Probably. Allen Robinson? I don't think so. The other eight? Not a chance.

This goes to show why executives, coaches, scouts, and players are historically poor evaluators of talent. That being said it's just a silly list so there's no harm in it.


1. Adams
2. Hopkins
3. Diggs
4. Hill
5. Julio
6. Allen
7. Evans
8. Thomas
9. Metcalf
10. AJ Brown (tied with Ridley)

Honorable mention
Calvin Ridley, Atlanta Falcons: "His ability to drop his weight at full speed and turn his hips is elite." -- AFC offensive coach

Allen Robinson II, Chicago Bears: "Him and Diggs are probably the best route runners. I've seen Robinson with bad QB play put up ridiculous numbers. Release off the ball ridiculous, radius terrific, knowledge second to none." -- NFL veteran offensive player

Odell Beckham Jr., Cleveland Browns: "With all the injuries and the production [decline] it's a concern. Not sure there's anyone better if he's healthy and in his prime. Play in and play out, not sure you can line him up and he can dominate a game anymore." -- AFC scout

Justin Jefferson, Minnesota Vikings: "He has almost like a Eurostep where he can Gumby his way into routes." -- AFC scout

Cooper Kupp, Los Angeles Rams: "He's 'teach tape.' Does everything well." -- AFC offensive coach

Chris Godwin, Tampa Bay Buccaneers: "He didn't have as big of a year but [he's] incredibly tough, played through pain on that hand injury and still produced in big moments." -- NFC defensive coach

Adam Thielen, Minnesota Vikings: "Savvy technique, route running, counter moves, toughness, he's still so good. And he has a knack for making plays in the end zone." -- AFC offensive coach

Terry McLaurin, Washington Football Team: "Speed and intangibles make him a top-10 receiver." -- AFC offensive coach

Jarvis Landry, Cleveland Browns: "One of the toughest players in football. And he's an underrated route runner." -- AFC exec




Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 1:56:33 PM)

I know it's all subjective but you can argue for Jefferson against most of those guys. Look at Metcalf. 2 more starts with less receptions, yards and average. He was more known for his defensive stop last year. Mike Evans? Not even close. Ridley was pretty comparable and that surprised me.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 3:13:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I know it's all subjective but you can argue for Jefferson against most of those guys. Look at Metcalf. 2 more starts with less receptions, yards and average. He was more known for his defensive stop last year. Mike Evans? Not even close. Ridley was pretty comparable and that surprised me.



If Jefferson Duplicates what he did last year he will leap into the top 10 easily.

Thielen is what he is, a very good route runner with great hands.




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 3:34:35 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

I know it's all subjective but you can argue for Jefferson against most of those guys. Look at Metcalf. 2 more starts with less receptions, yards and average. He was more known for his defensive stop last year. Mike Evans? Not even close. Ridley was pretty comparable and that surprised me.



If Jefferson Duplicates what he did last year he will leap into the top 10 easily.

Thielen is what he is, a very good route runner with great hands.


Yeah, always nice to have one or two of those kind around ...




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 3:51:34 PM)

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
6h
#Vikings DT Michael Pierce suffered a calf injury while training and his availability for the start of camp is in doubt, source said. While he could end up missing time to begin camp, it’s not expected to keep him off the field to begin the season




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/19/2021 3:58:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
6h
#Vikings DT Michael Pierce suffered a calf injury while training and his availability for the start of camp is in doubt, source said. While he could end up missing time to begin camp, it’s not expected to keep him off the field to begin the season



I'll take some comfort in not seeing the word 'tweak'.




Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/20/2021 6:44:57 AM)

2020 All-Pro wr

1st team
Adams
Diggs
Hill

2nd team
Hopkins
Jefferson
Ridley
Metcalf
Beasley




Murph -> RE: General Vikes Talk (7/20/2021 6:57:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

2020 All-Pro wr

1st team
Adams
Diggs
Hill

2nd team
Hopkins
Jefferson
Ridley
Metcalf
Beasley


Look at the QB's throwing to the top 3. Rogers, Allen, Mahomes.

I'd put JJ up on the first team and drop Adams or Diggs




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