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Lynn G. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:46:50 PM)

Gol dang I had a brilliant retort about which side of the issue is REALLY promoting the fear factor (oh no! microchips being imbedded, letting in migrants to infect Americans, doctors lying about how many people really died from Covid...) It's the anti-vax crowd that is relying on the old standard fear mongering to sway their side.

My server went to sleep just as I hit send, and that brilliant retort was lost.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:49:36 PM)

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No way the Vikings can win or get through a season with Kirk Cousins-Adam Thielen Harrison Smith and others un-vaccinated.😷How does and NFL team allow players and coaches to dictate.Who’s the boss? - Larry Fitzgerald Sr.

The Vikings got through last season with none of them vaccinated. Seems like a good chance they can manage this season with none of them vaccinated.


There was no Delta variant last year. Mond just got Covid. No way they make it this year unless they get 90%+ of the team vaccinated, especially the starters.

I'm vaccinated. Will that protect me from the Delta variant?


It will protect you from getting killed by it. But you will pass it to 9 or 10 people, and of those 9 or 10, it will kill those who are not vaccinated.

So the vaccination for COVID is close to worthless for the Delta Variant. Ouch.

If by worthless, you mean it will keep you from getting really sick and dying, then yes.
If the bolded above that you told me is 100% accurate then it may not be completely worthless, but it will be kind of worthless if I'm still going to pass it on to 9 or 10 people possibly killing them. It might be better if it just kills me quick preventing me from passing it on to so many others. My life isn't that important. Or am I doomed to pass it on to 9 or 10 people either way?

You've followed this through to its logical climax.


If "logical climax" means total idiocy.

Bottom line. Get vaccinated. Full stop. It's the ONLY thing that makes sense.

Lynn you do understand I've been vaccinated a long time. I'm just going along with what Big O had to say about the Delta Variant.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:51:50 PM)

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No way the Vikings can win or get through a season with Kirk Cousins-Adam Thielen Harrison Smith and others un-vaccinated.😷How does and NFL team allow players and coaches to dictate.Who’s the boss? - Larry Fitzgerald Sr.

The Vikings got through last season with none of them vaccinated. Seems like a good chance they can manage this season with none of them vaccinated.


There was no Delta variant last year. Mond just got Covid. No way they make it this year unless they get 90%+ of the team vaccinated, especially the starters.

I'm vaccinated. Will that protect me from the Delta variant?


It will protect you from getting killed by it. But you will pass it to 9 or 10 people, and of those 9 or 10, it will kill those who are not vaccinated.

So the vaccination for COVID is close to worthless for the Delta Variant. Ouch.

If by worthless, you mean it will keep you from getting really sick and dying, then yes.
If the bolded above that you told me is 100% accurate then it may not be completely worthless, but it will be kind of worthless if I'm still going to pass it on to 9 or 10 people possibly killing them. It might be better if it just kills me quick preventing me from passing it on to so many others. My life isn't that important. Or am I doomed to pass it on to 9 or 10 people either way?


Unvaccinated, the average person infects 5-8 people. That's what R=5 to R=8 means (reproductive number).

For Delta strain ONLY, early reports suggested that vaccinated people had similar viral loads, which suggested that they might transmit the virus at a similar rate, however, even those reports had the virus clearing faster. And the study had some other issues, like a cutoff for people with low viral counts, which sort of guarantees that the viral counts will be similar, and it wasn't randomized. But a big study just came out of England in the last couple days, randomized, and showed vaccinated people had markedly lower viral counts. Core take away:

Vaccination almost certainly cuts the chances you spread the Delta strain.

That is good news.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:53:12 PM)

https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/cdc-fda-faked-covid-testing-protocol-by-using-human-cells-mixed-with-common-cold-virus-fragments

This is interesting......




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:53:18 PM)

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I’ve done a lot of research and that is a moronic reply from a position of ignorance. Take the easy way if you want. Trust the FEAR. You can’t help it, you’re bombarded from media directed towards you all day long. Groupthink sucks you folks in.

No, it's the reply of an informed person who has done research. Calling said person a moron for it, is the response of someone who's argument has been thoroughly shredded and is now resorting to name calling.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:53:30 PM)

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Take your vaccines, reveal in the booster shots. What’s next? It has to get better right?


It HAS gotten better since the vaccine!

And it would be EVEN WAY MORE BETTER if more people were smart enough to take it.

But its people like YOU that are going to continue to drag this thing out, all the while saying "I told you so".




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:53:55 PM)

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Gol dang I had a brilliant retort about which side of the issue is REALLY promoting the fear factor (oh no! microchips being imbedded, letting in migrants to infect Americans, doctors lying about how many people really died from Covid...) It's the anti-vax crowd that is relying on the old standard fear mongering to sway their side.

My server went to sleep just as I hit send, and that brilliant retort was lost.


[sm=Homer.gif] DOH!




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:54:24 PM)

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https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/cdc-fda-faked-covid-testing-protocol-by-using-human-cells-mixed-with-common-cold-virus-fragments

This is interesting......


Are you Phil's burner account?

HMMMMMMM...




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:55:56 PM)

There is so much more if you are inclined to look. If it’s important to you. If you can break the chains.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:57:57 PM)

Are you Fauci’s burner account? Work for the Wuhan lab?




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:58:20 PM)

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https://freedomfirstnetwork.com/2021/07/cdc-fda-faked-covid-testing-protocol-by-using-human-cells-mixed-with-common-cold-virus-fragments

This is interesting......

Until you apply actual facts

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-covid-viral-antibody-test-c/fact-checkposts-confuse-covid-19-viral-test-with-covid-19-antibody-test-idUSKBN24269Z

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/07/03/fact-check-common-cold-does-not-produce-positive-covid-19-test-result/5366801002/




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:59:37 PM)

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Are you Fauci’s burner account? Work for the Wuhan lab?

Burns I am religious, I lean conservative politically. I don't hate Trump with a burning passion and I still think getting vaccinated is the obvious right thing to do.




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:03:43 PM)

All about the “FreedomFirst network”..

The source for facts and figures from our resident expert, Mr. Burns

Excellent…..


America is at a crossroads. We are politically, culturally, and religiously polarized as a people.Our rights are being challenged. Our liberties are being stripped. Cancel culture is rampant. And at the center of it all is a multi-pronged attack on our freedoms.

Mainstream media is siding with authoritarians as their favored Democratic Party pushes further to the left. Progressives of yesterday are practically conservative compared to what the radical left is promoting today. Conservative media does a decent job of pushing back, but infighting is prevalent and the various right-leaning media outlets are often too competitive with one another. As conservatives, our very nature of individualism means some of the strongest champions of conservative values battle each other as much as they battle the left. But progressive media, driven by their goal of collectivism, seems to work together much better.


BAAAAAA… BAAAAA…

“Don’t question my authoriteye…”

OMG…
Read the comments section in the provided link…

I should invest in ALCOA Aluminum…
Tinfoil hats are all the rage, for 74 million Americans..




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:03:47 PM)

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There is so much more if you are inclined to look. If it’s important to you. If you can break the chains.


Yes.

If you dig deep enough you'll eventually find someone that agrees with you.




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:04:15 PM)

Nothing has been shredded in any of my arguments. You all are just piling on with your groupthink tactics and pious sense of victory. Enjoy it. History will tell the story... We have heard that I’m wrong from this lot, but what if I’m right. Nobody really wins.




David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:04:47 PM)

Here's an excerpt from another article I read on the Freedom First Network. Credible source? You make the call.

More broadly, we also discussed another now indelible fact; that is, the Biden Administration’s all-out campaign to destroy the republic; its institutions, Constitution and Bill of Rights; and its citizens, no matter what their political persuasion.

There is no longer any belief that the severe negative impact of Bidenism is a coincidence or a Bush-Cheney unintended consequence.

Biden and his allies are out to destroy American and Americans as quickly as possible.

Fortunately, Biden and his allies have shown us that they should be the targets of the American citizens wrath when time comes — another lockdown?




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:05:09 PM)

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Are you Fauci’s burner account? Work for the Wuhan lab?


How is your August 2021 going vs your August 2020?

Mine is substantially better in pretty much every aspect.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:05:44 PM)

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Nothing has been shredded in any of my arguments. You all are just piling on with your groupthink tactics and pious sense of victory. Enjoy it. History will tell the story... We have heard that I’m wrong from this lot, but what if I’m right. Nobody really wins.


Is it still groupthink if its right?




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:07:20 PM)

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All about the “FreedomFirst network”..

The source for facts and figures from our resident expert, Mr. Burns

Excellent…..


America is at a crossroads. We are politically, culturally, and religiously polarized as a people.Our rights are being challenged. Our liberties are being stripped. Cancel culture is rampant. And at the center of it all is a multi-pronged attack on our freedoms.

Mainstream media is siding with authoritarians as their favored Democratic Party pushes further to the left. Progressives of yesterday are practically conservative compared to what the radical left is promoting today. Conservative media does a decent job of pushing back, but infighting is prevalent and the various right-leaning media outlets are often too competitive with one another. As conservatives, our very nature of individualism means some of the strongest champions of conservative values battle each other as much as they battle the left. But progressive media, driven by their goal of collectivism, seems to work together much better.


BAAAAAA… BAAAAA…

“Don’t question my authoriteye…”

And to think that all David F could provide was links from the Mayo Clinic, Yale University and the FDA.




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:08:40 PM)

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Nothing has been shredded in any of my arguments. You all are just piling on with your groupthink tactics and pious sense of victory. Enjoy it. History will tell the story... We have heard that I’m wrong from this lot, but what if I’m right. Nobody really wins.


Is it still groupthink if its right?

Using social media to promote and reinforce misinformation spread by Robert F. Kennedy Jr and 11 other guys isn't group think though. [&o]




Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:13:12 PM)

I think you folks are sincere in your thoughts. I get that. But I will never comply with a mandatory Vax. Forced on those that don’t want it.There are many like me in this belief. From religious to political and scientific reasons. You will never get your wish.




David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:14:46 PM)

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Nothing has been shredded in any of my arguments. You all are just piling on with your groupthink tactics and pious sense of victory. Enjoy it. History will tell the story... We have heard that I’m wrong from this lot, but what if I’m right. Nobody really wins.


Is it still groupthink if its right?

Using social media to promote and reinforce misinformation spread by Robert F. Kennedy Jr and 11 other guys isn't group think though. [&o]


Every Anti-vaxxer on FB all share the exact same posts, links and memes over and over again. But THAT apparently isn't groupthink.

I guess I'm naive, but I prefer to follow the science and not the crackpots...




Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:15:33 PM)

So law and order and public good are a subjective elective thing in burnsey land?

Do you have a drivers license?

Do you pay taxes?

Do you expect the phone to be answered when you dial 911




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:15:36 PM)

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I think you folks are sincere in your thoughts. I get that. But I will never comply with a mandatory Vax. Forced on those that don’t want it.There are many like me in this belief. From religious to political and scientific reasons. You will never get your wish.

Who said mandatory vaccination was our wish? We just wish everyone would make the sound, rational decision to get vaccinated.




kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 4:15:38 PM)

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I think you folks are sincere in your thoughts. I get that. But I will never comply with a mandatory Vax. Forced on those that don’t want it.There are many like me in this belief. From religious to political and scientific reasons. You will never get your wish.

The good news is there is no need for you to comply with a mandatory vax. It is optional so you can get it of your own free will.




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