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David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:05:55 PM)
These should give you a good start. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/5-things-to-know-delta-variant-covid https://www.mckinsey.com/industries/public-and-social-sector/our-insights/the-covid-19-vaccines-are-here-what-comes-next# https://www.fda.gov/media/146304/download https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/covid-19-diagnostic-test/about/pac-20488900#:~:text=PCR%20tests%20are%20very%20accurate,can%20miss%20some%20cases. https://www.vox.com/2021/6/2/22463223/covid-19-vaccine-hesitancy-reasons-why

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:08:30 PM)
Oh what could have been... This is the one that will forever hurt the most. The stars aligned for the Vikings to take this perfect fit for their team, not only from a player standpoint, but from how huge of a star he would’ve become in the Twin Cities. Instead, they passed on him for an alleged felon. Antoine Winfield Jr. was meant to play in Minnesota and for the Vikings. He grew up watching his dad play for the Purple for many years and then he attended college at the University of Minnesota. He was a star there despite being undersized. He routinely made highlight-reel plays and showed up in the biggest moments. Prior to the draft, he made it well known that he would have loved to play for the Vikings. He was still available when Minnesota was on the clock, and the crew from ESPN even showed his living room while the team was making its decision. The Vikings ultimately took Jeff Gladney and missed out on a very productive rookie season from Winfield. In 2020, he racked up 94 tackles, three sacks, and one interception for the Tampa Bay

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:11:48 PM)
There is a mountain of facts and studies readily available to anyone who wants to take the time to look at them. They all say that Pfizer and Moderna are still very effective against Delta. Not quite as effective at preventing it as the other strains, but still very effective and will significantly reduce the ordeal if you do catch the Delta variant. The decision to get vaccinated shouldn't be a tough one. Why people choose not to get vaccinated is a bit more complex. I suspect that a lot of it has to do with the obscene amount of misinformation that is being spread by the anit-vax groups. For example, I have a niece who refuses to get vaccinated because she wants to have to have children and is afraid that the vaccine will keep her from getting pregnant. There is overwhelming evidence to the contrary, but she is too afraid after being bombarded with false information. Some refuse because the FDA hasn't fully approved it yet. They ignore that the data is already gathered and the final panel approval is a formality at this point. Others refuse out of misguided political loyalty and still others continue to believe that covid is a hoax.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:12:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lynn G. quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: kgdabom quote: ORIGINAL: David F. No way the Vikings can win or get through a season with Kirk Cousins-Adam Thielen Harrison Smith and others un-vaccinated.😷How does and NFL team allow players and coaches to dictate.Who’s the boss? - Larry Fitzgerald Sr. The Vikings got through last season with none of them vaccinated. Seems like a good chance they can manage this season with none of them vaccinated. There was no Delta variant last year. Mond just got Covid. No way they make it this year unless they get 90%+ of the team vaccinated, especially the starters. I'm vaccinated. Will that protect me from the Delta variant? It will protect you from getting killed by it. But you will pass it to 9 or 10 people, and of those 9 or 10, it will kill those who are not vaccinated. So the vaccination for COVID is close to worthless for the Delta Variant. Ouch. If by worthless, you mean it will keep you from getting really sick and dying, then yes. If the bolded above that you told me is 100% accurate then it may not be completely worthless, but it will be kind of worthless if I'm still going to pass it on to 9 or 10 people possibly killing them. It might be better if it just kills me quick preventing me from passing it on to so many others. My life isn't that important. Or am I doomed to pass it on to 9 or 10 people either way? You've followed this through to its logical climax. If "logical climax" means total idiocy. Bottom line. Get vaccinated. Full stop. It's the ONLY thing that makes sense. I was just being nice, in my snarky way.

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:20:11 PM)
Anyone can pull up links off a google search. Maybe there is more to it than that. I’m sure google or many of the search engines available aren’t biased. Once again, how do you test for the Delta variant? Can I go to my local physician for this test?

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:23:11 PM)
Do you really claim to know what is good for the general populous? Or are you just regurgitating talking points?

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:31:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Burns Anyone can pull up links off a google search. Maybe there is more to it than that. I’m sure google or many of the search engines available aren’t biased. Once again, how do you test for the Delta variant? Can I go to my local physician for this test? You take a normal covid test. After that they do genomic sequencing. At this point the Delta variant makes up well over 80% of all infections in the US, so anyone would be wise to assume that if they were to get infected, it would be with the Delta variant. And yes, anyone can do a Google search. That's kind of the point. The information is out there and it is accessible to anyone who takes the time to look it up and educate themselves. If you don't trust the first thing you read then read some more. Look at the reference material that is used. It really isn't that hard and it will better prepare you than poo pooing what other people have taken the time to do.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:45:57 PM)
What's more possible? The collective group of experts in the fields of medicine and biochemistry have put out the best possible information and continue to work on the ever-evolving world of disease and vaccine with the mission to stop the pandemic and be prepared for future ones as well - or - there are multiple conspiracies running amok. Are there side-effects that are sometimes but rarely serious? You bet. Does that discredit the need for all who can to get vaccinated? Nope. You know what else had nasty side effects? Storming the beaches of Normandy. I'm grateful that the people of that time period were able to find the courage to overcome their fear and stop the Nazis. Do you know why helpful information comes up on top of the google searches? Because it's mostly good and reliable information. I don't need to reach page 26 before I find an "expert" that shares my pre-formed opinion on the subject. Heck, I bet if I asked enough doctors I could find one that would tell me that smoking won't hurt me. Lastly, if Trump would just have taken a real leadership role from the beginning we'd already be out of this mess. Instead he did the opposite and actively tried to play down the significance - because he's a god damned coward and doesn't have an honest bone in his body. Why won't people get vaccinated? Because a great big bunch of them think they're being good MAGAs by following the fat orange dipshit's lead. In short - because they are dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb, DUMB, DUMB, DUMB, MIND-NUMBINGLY DUMB!

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:49:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Burns Do you really claim to know what is good for the general populous? Or are you just regurgitating talking points? uh, I BELIEVE that breathing is optional.. Do it or not… One way you live, the other you die.. Drive on the right lanes of a road, in America.. One way, you greatly increase your chances of living, the other, left side, most likely is gonna cause you a problem… If your bladder is full, go empty it Or not.. It will empty itself like it or not.. I guess these are just talking points… [&o]

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 1:56:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Burns Do you really claim to know what is good for the general populous? Or are you just regurgitating talking points? uh, I BELIEVE that breathing is optional.. Do it or not… One way you live, the other you die.. Drive on the right lanes of a road, in America.. One way, you greatly increase your chances of living, the other, left side, most likely is gonna cause you a problem… If your bladder is full, go empty it Or not.. It will empty itself like it or not.. I guess these are just talking points… [&o] Actually breathing in an involuntary action, but you're rolling, so I digress. [;)]

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:03:54 PM)
Hey, nothing, is involuntary… Talking point addendum.. [;)]

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:23:53 PM)
You all are helping me make my counterpoint. You all think your right and righteous in your endeavor to the point of being Pious. No amount of critical thinking from another perspective is going to sway you. And thus, the rub. This isn’t going away. I would never stop someone from choosing their medical path. However, I wouldn’t force any medical treatment upon another based on my wants and needs. But how can anyone change your groupthink minds. You have all the facts and know all the angles. Shoot, some of the same folks are great football minds and can GM in the NFL tomorrow. This site has become overwhelmed with overbearing blowhards.

twinsfan -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:27:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Burns You all are helping me make my counterpoint. You all think your right and righteous in your endeavor to the point of being Pious. No amount of critical thinking from another perspective is going to sway you. And thus, the rub. This isn’t going away. I would never stop someone from choosing their medical path. However, I wouldn’t force any medical treatment upon another based on my wants and needs. But how can anyone change your groupthink minds. You have all the facts and know all the angles. Shoot, some of the same folks are great football minds and can GM in the NFL tomorrow. This site has become overwhelmed with overbearing blowhards. Are you saying it's an echo chamber?

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:27:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Burns You all are helping me make my counterpoint. You all think your right and righteous in your endeavor to the point of being Pious. No amount of critical thinking from another perspective is going to sway you. And thus, the rub. This isn’t going away. I would never stop someone from choosing their medical path. However, I wouldn’t force any medical treatment upon another based on my wants and needs. But how can anyone change your groupthink minds. You have all the facts and know all the angles. Shoot, some of the same folks are great football minds and can GM in the NFL tomorrow. This site has become overcome with overbearing blowhards. Here is the fatal flaw in your argument. There has been no critical thinking from the other perspective. Just a lot of misinformation about mercury, aluminum, deformed babies, etc. When the other side presents something that is actually the result of critical thought and research, I will consider it.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:35:16 PM)
Uh, no, we are not..helping you in any way.. the hole you dig is all from your own shovel.. I’m not forcing medical treatment on anyone.. If anything, I am hoping, very vehemently, that people who wallow in the Petrie Dish of antivaxxers and “ my body, my choice” get paid a visit from a mindless virus, that doesn’t care what their opinion is, or how much Jesus loves them… You want to deny medical fact, science, and actual data.. Fine.. Don’t get vaccinated … Just stay the hell away from me, my family, my friends, and any children, or elderly people, until you at least show a shred of social concern outside of “your belief”.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:35:46 PM)
I believe that the world is not flat. So do a whole bunch of others. Is this groupthink? Are flat-earthers dumb? Should I present evidence gathered from experts to prove the earth isn’t flat? Could the exact same flat-earth conspiracy theory arguments be used by anti-vaxxers? No. Yes. Meh. Yes.

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:44:50 PM)
Life with blinders on. There is a whole big world around you to explore. Don’t follow the slight of hand. Be willing to peel back the curtain. Who’s pulling the levers? Or be a group think lemming that is willing to give away all your rights and liberties based on fear. Fear is how you control the masses. History has given many a valuable lesson on that. All you need is a willingness to look.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:52:17 PM)
Go drive into oncoming traffic.. Don’t let fear rule you on the road.. Don’t give up your “ right” to drive how you want.. Expert advice and common sense be damned.. Don’t be a lemming on the road.. Don’t be one of the masses who has learned that there is actually some wisdom in doing what is best for all, not just yourself.. [&:][&:] Man, being stupid is soooo easy… Jesus saves…

The Happy Norseman -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:52:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Burns You all are helping me make my counterpoint. You all think your right and righteous in your endeavor to the point of being Pious. No amount of critical thinking from another perspective is going to sway you. And thus, the rub. This isn’t going away. I would never stop someone from choosing their medical path. However, I wouldn’t force any medical treatment upon another based on my wants and needs. But how can anyone change your groupthink minds. You have all the facts and know all the angles. Shoot, some of the same folks are great football minds and can GM in the NFL tomorrow. This site has become overcome with overbearing blowhards. Here is the fatal flaw in your argument. There has been no critical thinking from the other perspective. Just a lot of misinformation about mercury, aluminum, deformed babies, etc. When the other side presents something that is actually the result of critical thought and research, I will consider it. Exactly! If anti-vaxxers could actually think critically, guess what? They wouldn’t be anti-vaxxers!

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:53:39 PM)
Your fear of not seeing your favorite player on the field. Your fear of not seeing your team win the big one due to Covid policy. FEAR.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 2:57:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Burns Life with blinders on. There is a whole big world around you to explore. Don’t follow the slight of hand. Be willing to peel back the curtain. Who’s pulling the levers? Or be a group think lemming that is willing to give away all your rights and liberties based on fear. Fear is how you control the masses. History has given many a valuable lesson on that. All you need is a willingness to look. I gave you an article for all five of your questions in your original post that were from reputable sources. What have you provided so far? I can’t peel back the curtain if you don’t show me the curtain. Put something out here for me to read - preferably not from page 26 or the 56th doctor. Something reputable.

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:00:07 PM)
I'm talking about mandatory vaccines and Covid policy. You can be facetious all you want and come up with any relative example like oncoming traffic, but we might as well be talking about what your aunt had for lunch. Fear is no way to live your life. Some of the most profound minds in our history never gave into the fear narrative. That’s all you have to pedal is FEAR.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:01:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Burns Your fear of not seeing your favorite player on the field. Your fear of not seeing your team win the big one due to Covid policy. FEAR. Nope. I’m NOT afraid of the vaccine and I’m willing to take some risks for the betterment of society. I’m NOT afraid of making some personal sacrifice for the good of others.

Burns -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:02:34 PM)
Reputable sources, That’s debatable. You’re a funny cat. Did you look at the opposing views? How far did your discernment take you?

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/5/2021 3:04:12 PM)
I am not pedaling fear, I deal in the reality of fact. My mom has had Covid.. It’s not a hoax.. You think taking prudent responsible action is “ living and giving into fear”… Really? I can’t help you with that.. Beyond reason or discussion..

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