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David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 2:00:00 AM)

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ORIGINAL: David F.

I think he could have 6-8 sacks. I’m just worried about the Vikings being the lead story after another highway incident. sooner or later he needs therapy.



i'd bet money that griffen is already in therapy...what highway incident?....


https://brobible.com/sports/article/everson-griffen-mental-breakdown-report/




jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 8:16:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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- he's a minnesota viking, and he'll make the ring-of-honor one day....


no offense, but I dont see this as even being close to happening.



he's 4th all-time in team sacks...we shall see....

Only if you exclude Page, Eller, and Marshall. More precise would be "4th all-time in official team sacks".




TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 8:32:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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everytime i read about udoh practicing at LT i think dozier might still be starting at RG....


Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin
Klint Kubiak on Oli Udoh, the RG w/ the 1s, also getting reps at LT: "He’s going to have to play both. He’s going to have to know both, he’s going to practice reps at both. Right now he’s playing a lot of guard, but Phil Rauscher is cross-training him, as well. Oli knows that. He could be a starting right guard or a starting left tackle at any time, and he has to be ready to perform. And that’s the kind of standard that we’re holding him accountable to."

I don't see Dozier starting again. If Udoh is still getting reps at LT, it probably means Davis could be the starting RG early in the season, moving Udoh to a swing role. It could also be a contingency against Hill failing as a starter and Darrisaw not being ready.




Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 8:34:46 AM)

Lots of "We'll sees" this year




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 9:05:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of "We'sees" this year

The infusion of new blood this offseason still has to prove that an upgrade from horrible will equal good ...

not just: not horrible.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 9:38:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of "We'sees" this year

The infusion of new blood this offseason still has to prove that an upgrade from horrible will equal good ...

not just: not horrible.

I don't know man, the new talent looked pretty horrible last weekend.




ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 9:40:18 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jbusse

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ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

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- he's a minnesota viking, and he'll make the ring-of-honor one day....


no offense, but I dont see this as even being close to happening.



he's 4th all-time in team sacks...we shall see....

Only if you exclude Page, Eller, and Marshall. More precise would be "4th all-time in official team sacks".


those are my boys - i glazed right over that....




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 11:14:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of "We'sees" this year

The infusion of new blood this offseason still has to prove that an upgrade from horrible will equal good ...

not just: not horrible.

I don't know man, the new talent looked pretty horrible last weekend.

True … although to me the whole thing looked disjointed and ill-prepared which makes it hard to analyze. The coaching / preparation sure looked bad.

Its a weird offseason … it feels like we’ve added more starters than bottom rosterers, with many of those veterans an improvement in theory but with questions of their own. Griffith would be their poster boy.

Cohesion is a worry. Hopefully, that will all get worked out at Cousins’ next tupperware party.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 11:34:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of "We'sees" this year

The infusion of new blood this offseason still has to prove that an upgrade from horrible will equal good ...

not just: not horrible.

I don't know man, the new talent looked pretty horrible last weekend.

True … although to me the whole thing looked disjointed and ill-prepared which makes it hard to analyze. The coaching / preparation sure looked bad.

Its a weird offseason … it feels like we’ve added more starters than bottom rosterers, with many of those veterans an improvement in theory but with questions of their own. Griffith would be their poster boy.

Cohesion is a worry. Hopefully, that will all get worked out at Cousins’ next tupperware party.

Cohesion is a huge worry. When you've got the leaders of the team fighting the COVID protocols, you don't have leaders at all. That kind of nonsense causes dissention in the ranks. If the leaders are on a different page than the rest of the team, they are in big trouble.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 12:59:14 PM)

Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Been asked a few times for an update on Everson Griffen. The process on whether to sign him continues, very well could extend into next week. #Vikings

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maybe tied to cut-downs and how the numbers work out by position group?




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 1:29:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Ricky J

Lots of "We'sees" this year

The infusion of new blood this offseason still has to prove that an upgrade from horrible will equal good ...

not just: not horrible.

I don't know man, the new talent looked pretty horrible last weekend.

True … although to me the whole thing looked disjointed and ill-prepared which makes it hard to analyze. The coaching / preparation sure looked bad.

Its a weird offseason … it feels like we’ve added more starters than bottom rosterers, with many of those veterans an improvement in theory but with questions of their own. Griffith would be their poster boy.

Cohesion is a worry. Hopefully, that will all get worked out at Cousins’ next tupperware party.

Cohesion is a huge worry. When you've got the leaders of the team fighting the COVID protocols, you don't have leaders at all. That kind of nonsense causes dissention in the ranks. If the leaders are on a different page than the rest of the team, they are in big trouble.

We were discussing all the new faces on the team and how fast they would get up to speed and you hijack that towards your tired anti-Cousins agenda.

If the team flounders then, sure, the non-vaxers on the team will get called out publicly for their small-minded uninformed selfish lack of leadership.

If the team hums along winning games ... it will have little impact between players – winning trumps all other variables.




thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 2:11:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

Darren Wolfson
@DWolfsonKSTP
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Been asked a few times for an update on Everson Griffen. The process on whether to sign him continues, very well could extend into next week. #Vikings

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maybe tied to cut-downs and how the numbers work out by position group?

And performances next preseason game




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 3:13:41 PM)

Players salary is tied to NFL revenue. So if you miss a day of work or weeks due to COVID let them take it out of their salary....pretty easy.

NFLPA and Owners missed the boat on this. At best give them the same salary those weeks as someone that chooses to opt out.




marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 4:44:44 PM)

I agree with Brad's take. You may not like it, but Cousin's vax stance [along with the other players that aren't getting vaccinated] is likely to have a negative effect on team cohesion, which directly relates to the young players coming in.




Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 4:55:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

I agree with Brad's take. You may not like it, but Cousin's vax stance [along with the other players that aren't getting vaccinated] is likely to have a negative effect on team cohesion, which directly relates to the young players coming in.


It will all be for naught...mask mandate, social distancing, etc. will be back as soon as next week. Vaccinated or not. So was not having to wear a mask for 3 months just a ploy to get everyone vaccinated?

Even in Brad's favorite state:
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2021/08/05/vermont-businesses-bring-back-mask-mandates-covid-19-delta-variant/5495414001/




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 6:48:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: marty

I agree with Brad's take. You may not like it, but Cousin's vax stance [along with the other players that aren't getting vaccinated] is likely to have a negative effect on team cohesion, which directly relates to the young players coming in.

Then you agree to nothing more than following Brad down a side alley as he merrily toots his little flute and takes the subject off topic.

A lot of new faces on the team, both veteran and newbie. Will take time - maybe a few games - before we see how it all mixes together. Thats pretty simple, bland reasoning.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 7:08:42 PM)

On a separate note … Leadership matters.

IMO as established core team members … thelr non-vaxxing status is sure to ding them in the opinions of some teammates. If they miss games it will become a huge deal. If there is a lack of cohesion that leads to losses, I’m sure some outside the lockerroom will jump all over the non-vax leadership angle because it fits in nicely with a larger social agenda. It may be failed leadership, it may be just too many new starting parts to unify quickly.

If the team starts to roll early and the non-vaxxers dont miss games … its not very smart and playing with fire … but I doubt it will cause conflict in the lockerroom.




DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 7:23:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: marty

I agree with Brad's take. You may not like it, but Cousin's vax stance [along with the other players that aren't getting vaccinated] is likely to have a negative effect on team cohesion, which directly relates to the young players coming in.


It will all be for naught...mask mandate, social distancing, etc. will be back as soon as next week. Vaccinated or not. So was not having to wear a mask for 3 months just a ploy to get everyone vaccinated?

Even in Brad's favorite state:
https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2021/08/05/vermont-businesses-bring-back-mask-mandates-covid-19-delta-variant/5495414001/


No, it wasn't a ploy. New strain, new properties, new policies required.

Look up the Spanish Flu. The first wave was bad, and the virus spread around the world and got lots of chances to mutate. The second wave was deadly, probably because the most transmissible strains became prevalent and went around the world again. The same sort of thing has happened with COVID.

Here's how the numbers play out in practice: for the original strain, each infection initially spread to about 3 additional people. Before a vaccine, we needed to cut down contacts so that a sick person didn't meet 2 of those people, or wore a mask to make it less likely that the transmission would happen. (Or was in a ventilated space, etc.)

The vaccine changed those requirements: if 2 out of 3 people were not susceptible, either by vaccination or because they'd been infected, then we didn't need masks or distancing to stop the epidemic.

BUT, the Delta strain spreads to 5-8 people. Use the low end of 5. To stop the Delta strain, at least 4 of the 5 people have to be effectively immune, but we're nowhere near 80% vaccinated. And actually, since the Pfizer/Moderna vaccine is about 80-90% effective against the Delta strain (or perhaps less), we need near universal vaccination to stop the epidemic; until children can be vaccinated, that simply can't be done.

BASIC CONCLUSION: For Delta you have three main outcomes: get vaccinated, get sick, or isolate more than last year.

Football players can't really isolate. Anyone with children under 12 can't effectively isolate. So their choices are get vaccinated or get sick. That's why the major pediatrics association asked for fast approval for use in younger kids: the safety data is clear enough that the vaccines are much, much less risky than the disease. Every supposed objection to the vaccines is trumped by worse from the disease. Worried about myocarditis? COVID causes more and worse cases. Worked up about injecting mRNA? What do you think a virus does? And on and on.

I don't think Cousin's (apparent) refusal to get vaccinated will have much of an effect on cohesion.

But because I don't think Cousins can effectively isolate from Delta, he's essentially choosing to get sick at some point. If he gets sick and costs the team several wins, other players will be pissed and that will definitely hurt cohesion.




DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 7:23:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

On a separate note … Leadership matters.

IMO as established core team members … thelr non-vaxxing status is sure to ding them in the opinions of some teammates. If they miss games it will become a huge deal. If there is a lack of cohesion that leads to losses, I’m sure some outside the lockerroom will jump all over the non-vax leadership angle because it fits in nicely with a larger social agenda. It may be failed leadership, it may be just too many new starting parts to unify quickly.

If the team starts to roll early and the non-vaxxers dont miss games … its not very smart and playing with fire … but I doubt it will cause conflict in the lockerroom.


Got there faster than I did. But yeah. EXACTLY.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 8:40:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

On a separate note … Leadership matters.

IMO as established core team members … thelr non-vaxxing status is sure to ding them in the opinions of some teammates. If they miss games it will become a huge deal. If there is a lack of cohesion that leads to losses, I’m sure some outside the lockerroom will jump all over the non-vax leadership angle because it fits in nicely with a larger social agenda. It may be failed leadership, it may be just too many new starting parts to unify quickly.

If the team starts to roll early and the non-vaxxers dont miss games … its not very smart and playing with fire … but I doubt it will cause conflict in the lockerroom.


Got there faster than I did. But yeah. EXACTLY.

That's because you were following a rigorous fact-based line of reasoning.

I was prancing along with Marty down a fact-free anti-Cousins path led by Brad and his Zamfir-like pan flute.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 8:44:34 PM)

OK I'm off the flute thing.

Andrew Krammer
@Andrew_Krammer
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More on Vikings LT Christian Darrisaw: He was given a 2-3 week recovery timeline from Aug. 12 operation, which required a minor incision to alleviate lingering issues causing pain in his left side. Puts him on track to practice before Sept. 12 opener, but team may ease him back.




DavidAOlson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/19/2021 9:24:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

On a separate note … Leadership matters.

IMO as established core team members … thelr non-vaxxing status is sure to ding them in the opinions of some teammates. If they miss games it will become a huge deal. If there is a lack of cohesion that leads to losses, I’m sure some outside the lockerroom will jump all over the non-vax leadership angle because it fits in nicely with a larger social agenda. It may be failed leadership, it may be just too many new starting parts to unify quickly.

If the team starts to roll early and the non-vaxxers dont miss games … its not very smart and playing with fire … but I doubt it will cause conflict in the lockerroom.


Got there faster than I did. But yeah. EXACTLY.

That's because you were following a rigorous fact-based line of reasoning.

I was prancing along with Marty down a fact-free anti-Cousins path led by Brad and his Zamfir-like pan flute.


True. I really wanted to explain why it's very likely that Cousins will get sick, because compared to COVID classic the Delta strain is more transmissible.

If it's during the season (likely), it'll probably cost the team some wins.




Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/20/2021 12:48:55 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

On a separate note … Leadership matters.

IMO as established core team members … thelr non-vaxxing status is sure to ding them in the opinions of some teammates. If they miss games it will become a huge deal. If there is a lack of cohesion that leads to losses, I’m sure some outside the lockerroom will jump all over the non-vax leadership angle because it fits in nicely with a larger social agenda. It may be failed leadership, it may be just too many new starting parts to unify quickly.

If the team starts to roll early and the non-vaxxers dont miss games … its not very smart and playing with fire … but I doubt it will cause conflict in the lockerroom.


Got there faster than I did. But yeah. EXACTLY.

That's because you were following a rigorous fact-based line of reasoning.

I was prancing along with Marty down a fact-free anti-Cousins path led by Brad and his Zamfir-like pan flute.


True. I really wanted to explain why it's very likely that Cousins will get sick, because compared to COVID classic the Delta strain is more transmissible.

If it's during the season (likely), it'll probably cost the team some wins.

I just hope he gets sick in the final two minutes of a half.




Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/20/2021 11:57:44 AM)

And once again Brad has to bring up his tired ass stupid two minute reference.

this [sm=Beating_A_Dead_Horse_by_livius.gif] doesn't begin to describe this obsession.

Yeah we get it. Cousins isn't good in the two minute drill. I've even mentioned his sucktitude on this issue in the past.

We all know he sucks at it.

You don't have to bring it up 275 time a month.




Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/20/2021 12:12:21 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Brad H

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: DavidAOlson

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

On a separate note … Leadership matters.

IMO as established core team members … thelr non-vaxxing status is sure to ding them in the opinions of some teammates. If they miss games it will become a huge deal. If there is a lack of cohesion that leads to losses, I’m sure some outside the lockerroom will jump all over the non-vax leadership angle because it fits in nicely with a larger social agenda. It may be failed leadership, it may be just too many new starting parts to unify quickly.

If the team starts to roll early and the non-vaxxers dont miss games … its not very smart and playing with fire … but I doubt it will cause conflict in the lockerroom.


Got there faster than I did. But yeah. EXACTLY.

That's because you were following a rigorous fact-based line of reasoning.

I was prancing along with Marty down a fact-free anti-Cousins path led by Brad and his Zamfir-like pan flute.


True. I really wanted to explain why it's very likely that Cousins will get sick, because compared to COVID classic the Delta strain is more transmissible.

If it's during the season (likely), it'll probably cost the team some wins.

I just hope he gets sick in the final two minutes of a half.

I know that was meant to be gleefully callous but you’ve become like Groot these days.




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