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Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:03:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient. Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key. I resolutely believe that things can improve. Not that you would notice or care, but I have been saying for weeks if not months that all the changes would take time to coalesce. My first comment Monday after the CIN game was essentially, this doesn't tell us who we are as a team yet. Again, my bitching and moaning are directed at the regime's half-assed methodology towards the OL. The results speak for themselves. DL bad last year? OK ... even with all world Hunter and top 2020 fa signing Pierce returning, lets add Tomlinson, Richardson, Weatherly, Griffen and draft Jones and Robinson. OL bad last year? OK ... lets draft an OT early to replace our 2nd best OL (who we let walk) and throw a middle round G at Dozier Bradbury Cleveland ... and we'll be good. Do you not see the disparity? Its nobody's fault that Darrisaw has a lingering injury ... its probably nobody's fault that the injury was missed in the pre-draft process ... It is nobody's fault but our own that after missing TC and going in for a second procedure, we did nothing to increase depth or competition at the LT position. Last year Hunter goes on IR and we grab Ngakoue ... Darrisaw goes down and we put Zack freakin' Bailey on the practice squad. It isn't always just directed at you. Darrisaw won't be gone long enough to put on the IR so who do you want to cut right now and replace? Most of the line is pretty young so they chose to go that route instead of grabbing older guys (Kyle Long) that are injury risks.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:08:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won. I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them. Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ... I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron. Negative = what the product delivers. The product delivers plenty of negative fuel and two playoff wins (1 a fluke) IMO is garbage this many years in. I honestly think long term the best result is a 0 to 3 win season. Blow it up, blow it all up. Speilman keeps overpaying linebackers and safeties in an era where you need DB's and pass rushers. He can't figure out how to build an OLine and that's pretty important when you commit to a QB that isn't exactly Mahomes when it comes to mobility and improvisation. None of it makes sense to me. This is what happens when you have 8 years of horrible oline draft picks. It's amazing that whoever is responsible for scouting olinemen for the Vikings still has a job. Spielman became the full time GM in 2012. Of the olinemen his regime has drafted since then, only one player drafted before 2019 is still on the team and that's Brian O'Neill. 2019's draft class produced Bradbury who has shown that he cannot play in this league, Dru Samia got cut, and Udoh should be a backup swing tackle, yet is now a starting Guard. 2020's Ezra Cleveland was drafted to be a Tackle once he put on some weight and gained some strength. He's now a starting Guard as well. Blake Brandel and Kyle Hinton could only make it to the PS. 2021 brought us Darrisaw and Davis. Like everyone else, my fingers are crossed that they buck the trend and become viable starters. If the Vikings were smart they'd throw in the towel with regards to drafting olinemen, and instead always stock the line with free agents. It isn't just bad drafts but some bad luck...Kalil, Sullivan, Loadholt, Harris, and some FA Boone, Kline, etc. had injuries that they couldn't come back from. They did bring in FA like Remmers and Boone that just didn't work with their system. They have tried to bring in some Vets in the past and actually spent decent money on them w/o much luck. I think Davis and Darrisaw will improve the line as soon as they get them in and they are healthy and ready.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:10:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered.... this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to.... obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead.... KC had a bad oline last season and their GM went out and fixed it. Our GM just continues to rely on a wing and a prayer. They had more cap room too... Which is also Speilman’s fault. This is his baby, all of it.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:21:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won. I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them. Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ... I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron. Negative = what the product delivers. The product delivers plenty of negative fuel and two playoff wins (1 a fluke) IMO is garbage this many years in. I honestly think long term the best result is a 0 to 3 win season. Blow it up, blow it all up. Speilman keeps overpaying linebackers and safeties in an era where you need DB's and pass rushers. He can't figure out how to build an OLine and that's pretty important when you commit to a QB that isn't exactly Mahomes when it comes to mobility and improvisation. None of it makes sense to me. This is what happens when you have 8 years of horrible oline draft picks. It's amazing that whoever is responsible for scouting olinemen for the Vikings still has a job. Spielman became the full time GM in 2012. Of the olinemen his regime has drafted since then, only one player drafted before 2019 is still on the team and that's Brian O'Neill. 2019's draft class produced Bradbury who has shown that he cannot play in this league, Dru Samia got cut, and Udoh should be a backup swing tackle, yet is now a starting Guard. 2020's Ezra Cleveland was drafted to be a Tackle once he put on some weight and gained some strength. He's now a starting Guard as well. Blake Brandel and Kyle Hinton could only make it to the PS. 2021 brought us Darrisaw and Davis. Like everyone else, my fingers are crossed that they buck the trend and become viable starters. If the Vikings were smart they'd throw in the towel with regards to drafting olinemen, and instead always stock the line with free agents. It isn't just bad drafts but some bad luck...Kalil, Sullivan, Loadholt, Harris, and some FA Boone, Kline, etc. had injuries that they couldn't come back from. They did bring in FA like Remmers and Boone that just didn't work with their system. They have tried to bring in some Vets in the past and actually spent decent money on them w/o much luck. I think Davis and Darrisaw will improve the line as soon as they get them in and they are healthy and ready. Maybe it isn't who they selected but instead it has more to do with how they've been developed by this team. Bradbury was the highest rated center in that draft. Elflein was similarly highly regarded. Free Agency is where you are going to get the more fully deveoloped guys (I read somewhere that it takes a few years for most of these guys in these positions to fully get up to speed in the game). That is where I think this team has failed the most. They get cheap about Oline talent. and poorly develop the talent they've drafted. There are a few exceptions over the years for that like O'Neill, but most of our drafted talent fails. We are overpaying for an overrated QB and underpaying and poorly developing a line to protect him.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 11:35:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered.... this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to.... obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead.... KC had a bad oline last season and their GM went out and fixed it. Our GM just continues to rely on a wing and a prayer. They had more cap room too... Which is also Speilman’s fault. This is his baby, all of it. So were you in the keep Diggs over JJ crew after 2 games in 2020? Impatient.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 11:37:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won. I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them. Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ... I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron. Negative = what the product delivers. The product delivers plenty of negative fuel and two playoff wins (1 a fluke) IMO is garbage this many years in. I honestly think long term the best result is a 0 to 3 win season. Blow it up, blow it all up. Speilman keeps overpaying linebackers and safeties in an era where you need DB's and pass rushers. He can't figure out how to build an OLine and that's pretty important when you commit to a QB that isn't exactly Mahomes when it comes to mobility and improvisation. None of it makes sense to me. This is what happens when you have 8 years of horrible oline draft picks. It's amazing that whoever is responsible for scouting olinemen for the Vikings still has a job. Spielman became the full time GM in 2012. Of the olinemen his regime has drafted since then, only one player drafted before 2019 is still on the team and that's Brian O'Neill. 2019's draft class produced Bradbury who has shown that he cannot play in this league, Dru Samia got cut, and Udoh should be a backup swing tackle, yet is now a starting Guard. 2020's Ezra Cleveland was drafted to be a Tackle once he put on some weight and gained some strength. He's now a starting Guard as well. Blake Brandel and Kyle Hinton could only make it to the PS. 2021 brought us Darrisaw and Davis. Like everyone else, my fingers are crossed that they buck the trend and become viable starters. If the Vikings were smart they'd throw in the towel with regards to drafting olinemen, and instead always stock the line with free agents. It isn't just bad drafts but some bad luck...Kalil, Sullivan, Loadholt, Harris, and some FA Boone, Kline, etc. had injuries that they couldn't come back from. They did bring in FA like Remmers and Boone that just didn't work with their system. They have tried to bring in some Vets in the past and actually spent decent money on them w/o much luck. I think Davis and Darrisaw will improve the line as soon as they get them in and they are healthy and ready. Maybe it isn't who they selected but instead it has more to do with how they've been developed by this team. Bradbury was the highest rated center in that draft. Elflein was similarly highly regarded. Free Agency is where you are going to get the more fully deveoloped guys (I read somewhere that it takes a few years for most of these guys in these positions to fully get up to speed in the game). That is where I think this team has failed the most. They get cheap about Oline talent. and poorly develop the talent they've drafted. There are a few exceptions over the years for that like O'Neill, but most of our drafted talent fails. We are overpaying for an overrated QB and underpaying and poorly developing a line to protect him. I see a better line by week 5-6 then we have had in many years.....if that makes me more patient (this year) for it to happen so be it. Can't do anything about last years failure but I see Udoh over Dozier and the line depth improving once Davis and Darrisaw are in.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 12:08:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered.... this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to.... obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead.... KC had a bad oline last season and their GM went out and fixed it. Our GM just continues to rely on a wing and a prayer. They had more cap room too... Which is also Speilman’s fault. This is his baby, all of it. So were you in the keep Diggs over JJ crew after 2 games in 2020? Impatient. it has been almost a decade, 2 games? The issues behind Diggs's unhappiness still exist in Minnesota. Would the Vikings be better off today if they chose to keep Diggs and ditch Speilman Zimmer Cousins and the current philisophy? That is the discussion to have, not if a cheaper good WR is better than an expensive good WR. Has getting rid of Diggs resulted in more wins? No.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 1:01:36 PM)
RandBall @RandBall ·1h New post: Interesting QB grades from Pro Football Focus this week: Aaron Rodgers was the worst, Teddy Bridgewater was the best, and Kirk Cousins was not far behind Teddy. Obviously I only post Pro Football Focus material when they point out the good in a Viking player - but as Rand says it is interesting

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 1:04:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won. I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them. Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ... I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron. If by "it just wasn't Green Bay's day" you mean they got completely beat down on both sides of the ball, then yes, it just wasn't Green Bay's day. 🤪 yeah, that's kind of what I meant ... offense and defense sucked - how'd their special teams do?

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 1:20:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered.... this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to.... obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead.... KC had a bad oline last season and their GM went out and fixed it. Our GM just continues to rely on a wing and a prayer. They had more cap room too... Which is also Speilman’s fault. This is his baby, all of it. So were you in the keep Diggs over JJ crew after 2 games in 2020? Impatient. it has been almost a decade, 2 games? The issues behind Diggs's unhappiness still exist in Minnesota. Would the Vikings be better off today if they chose to keep Diggs and ditch Speilman Zimmer Cousins and the current philisophy? That is the discussion to have, not if a cheaper good WR is better than an expensive good WR. Has getting rid of Diggs resulted in more wins? No. If you're from Buffalo it did!

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 1:25:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J RandBall @RandBall ·1h New post: Interesting QB grades from Pro Football Focus this week: Aaron Rodgers was the worst, Teddy Bridgewater was the best, and Kirk Cousins was not far behind Teddy. Obviously I only post Pro Football Focus material when they point out the good in a Viking player - but as Rand says it is interesting That's odd. When I pull from PFF I show Tom Brady as #1 and Ben Rapistburger as last. Teddy is 4th and Kirk is 8th. Rodgers is second-to-last. Winston and Hurts are 2 and 3. I understand that the point remains the same but still... no matter what way I configure the list I can't get it to show Teddy as 1.

thebigo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 1:46:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: thebigo quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Vikings could have easily won, the fumble was a bit of a fluke. None of the other teams in the division could have easily won. I think the other teams would have all beat the Bengals. I think they all get to play them. Nope. It just wasn't Green Bay's day. The Bears would of got F by the officials as well and the Lions would of found another way to lose as is their fate - until all changes this week for them of course ... I hope you aren't always as negative around your family as you are on these threads, Ron. If by "it just wasn't Green Bay's day" you mean they got completely beat down on both sides of the ball, then yes, it just wasn't Green Bay's day. 🤪 yeah, that's kind of what I meant ... offense and defense sucked - how'd their special teams do? I don't have the complete picture there, but it doesn't appear that their kickoff coverage got tested much. 😆

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 2:06:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient. Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key. I resolutely believe that things can improve. Not that you would notice or care, but I have been saying for weeks if not months that all the changes would take time to coalesce. My first comment Monday after the CIN game was essentially, this doesn't tell us who we are as a team yet. Again, my bitching and moaning are directed at the regime's half-assed methodology towards the OL. The results speak for themselves. DL bad last year? OK ... even with all world Hunter and top 2020 fa signing Pierce returning, lets add Tomlinson, Richardson, Weatherly, Griffen and draft Jones and Robinson. OL bad last year? OK ... lets draft an OT early to replace our 2nd best OL (who we let walk) and throw a middle round G at Dozier Bradbury Cleveland ... and we'll be good. Do you not see the disparity? Its nobody's fault that Darrisaw has a lingering injury ... its probably nobody's fault that the injury was missed in the pre-draft process ... It is nobody's fault but our own that after missing TC and going in for a second procedure, we did nothing to increase depth or competition at the LT position. Last year Hunter goes on IR and we grab Ngakoue ... Darrisaw goes down and we put Zack freakin' Bailey on the practice squad. It isn't always just directed at you. Darrisaw won't be gone long enough to put on the IR so who do you want to cut right now and replace? Most of the line is pretty young so they chose to go that route instead of grabbing older guys (Kyle Long) that are injury risks. No ofcourse not, but since you had a follow on post directly related to the exchange we were having ... I responded from my point of view. I forget how short your attention span is.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 2:41:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient. Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key. I resolutely believe that things can improve. Not that you would notice or care, but I have been saying for weeks if not months that all the changes would take time to coalesce. My first comment Monday after the CIN game was essentially, this doesn't tell us who we are as a team yet. Again, my bitching and moaning are directed at the regime's half-assed methodology towards the OL. The results speak for themselves. DL bad last year? OK ... even with all world Hunter and top 2020 fa signing Pierce returning, lets add Tomlinson, Richardson, Weatherly, Griffen and draft Jones and Robinson. OL bad last year? OK ... lets draft an OT early to replace our 2nd best OL (who we let walk) and throw a middle round G at Dozier Bradbury Cleveland ... and we'll be good. Do you not see the disparity? Its nobody's fault that Darrisaw has a lingering injury ... its probably nobody's fault that the injury was missed in the pre-draft process ... It is nobody's fault but our own that after missing TC and going in for a second procedure, we did nothing to increase depth or competition at the LT position. Last year Hunter goes on IR and we grab Ngakoue ... Darrisaw goes down and we put Zack freakin' Bailey on the practice squad. It isn't always just directed at you. Darrisaw won't be gone long enough to put on the IR so who do you want to cut right now and replace? Most of the line is pretty young so they chose to go that route instead of grabbing older guys (Kyle Long) that are injury risks. No ofcourse not, but since you had a follow on post directly related to the exchange we were having ... I responded from my point of view. I forget how short your attention span is. Usually when you aren't quoted there is a reason.....it isn't directed at you. Maybe it is the opposite and you want attention?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 2:44:05 PM)
Not good: THIS JUST IN: According to reports the Vikings are worried LB Eric Kendricks may not be available vs Cardinals \| #KFANVikes

ambear -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 4:34:56 PM)
And Vigil limited with ankle....

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 4:54:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . reiff was considered a fairly solid left tackle and spielman let him go...cleveland played left tackle for four years in college and was graded in the mid-70s by pff each year - we made him a right/left guard - does he have the anchor to play guard?...everyone thought he lucked out and drafted one of the better left tackle prospects this year, but his prospect had recent surgery, was injured when drafted, and still hasn't recovered.... this offseason there were more solid guards available through free agency than i can ever remember and we didn't pick one up...instead we moved a right tackle to guard and gave another right tackle a top-tier left tackle contract a year earlier than he had to.... obviously, a proven NFL veteran is much closer to a sure thing than a draft prospect, but spielman was expecting to plug and play draft picks this year and it didn't work out for him...he should have signed a left tackle four weeks ago when darrisaw had his second surgery, but he gave the job to a journeyman and signed o'neill instead.... KC had a bad oline last season and their GM went out and fixed it. Our GM just continues to rely on a wing and a prayer. They had more cap room too... Which is also Speilman’s fault. This is his baby, all of it. So were you in the keep Diggs over JJ crew after 2 games in 2020? Impatient. it has been almost a decade, 2 games? The issues behind Diggs's unhappiness still exist in Minnesota. Would the Vikings be better off today if they chose to keep Diggs and ditch Speilman Zimmer Cousins and the current philisophy? That is the discussion to have, not if a cheaper good WR is better than an expensive good WR. Has getting rid of Diggs resulted in more wins? No. Buffalo had a great one year with Diggs...we will see as they lost to Pitt to start this year and they didn't win it all either. Zimmer has been a good coach that has put us in position a couple years. A missed kick from 29 halted one playoff year. Some back luck with Teddy and Bradford hurt a couple of other years. OT issues ruined another year. Need to make you luck and have some luck to make it thru the year.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 6:25:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer I remember people being pissed after the 1st few games of Jefferson last year that we traded away Diggs.....impatient. Lots of changes on the Oline, lots of changes on the Defense....hope to see improvements each week that lead to wins...that is the key. I resolutely believe that things can improve. Not that you would notice or care, but I have been saying for weeks if not months that all the changes would take time to coalesce. My first comment Monday after the CIN game was essentially, this doesn't tell us who we are as a team yet. Again, my bitching and moaning are directed at the regime's half-assed methodology towards the OL. The results speak for themselves. DL bad last year? OK ... even with all world Hunter and top 2020 fa signing Pierce returning, lets add Tomlinson, Richardson, Weatherly, Griffen and draft Jones and Robinson. OL bad last year? OK ... lets draft an OT early to replace our 2nd best OL (who we let walk) and throw a middle round G at Dozier Bradbury Cleveland ... and we'll be good. Do you not see the disparity? Its nobody's fault that Darrisaw has a lingering injury ... its probably nobody's fault that the injury was missed in the pre-draft process ... It is nobody's fault but our own that after missing TC and going in for a second procedure, we did nothing to increase depth or competition at the LT position. Last year Hunter goes on IR and we grab Ngakoue ... Darrisaw goes down and we put Zack freakin' Bailey on the practice squad. It isn't always just directed at you. Darrisaw won't be gone long enough to put on the IR so who do you want to cut right now and replace? Most of the line is pretty young so they chose to go that route instead of grabbing older guys (Kyle Long) that are injury risks. No ofcourse not, but since you had a follow on post directly related to the exchange we were having ... I responded from my point of view. I forget how short your attention span is. Usually when you aren't quoted there is a reason.....it isn't directed at you. Maybe it is the opposite and you want attention? FYI, the opposite of a short attention span is a long attention span. Not a need for attention. Also, are you suggesting we should only respond to posts that quote or address us directly? We argued ... you posted ... I wasted my time trying to give you a full response because you had already seen a squirrel and bolted in a different direction. No biggie.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 6:30:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ambear And Vigil limited with ankle.... Our LBs are decimated if Kendricks Vigil Barr are out. Might have to stay in nickel and dime most of the game and hide behind the DTs. Courtney Cronin @CourtneyRCronin ·4h I'm told the Kendricks situation is one the Vikings are monitoring closely (sounds like they'll plan to do an MRI at some point). If both EK and Barr can't go Week 2, MIN is down to Vigil, Lynch and likely Dye in base. That's a tall order vs. Kyler Murray.

beo -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 8:56:46 PM)
Heineke starting for Wash. Reminds me a bit of Case... limited in some ways but makes plays and guys make plays for him... fun to watch.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:13:25 PM)
The betting action is on Arizona this week, so the Vikes may get favorable officiating, enough to keep them in the game. Last week there was more betting on Minnesota against Cincy, and the penalties were lopsided against the bettors.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:15:43 PM)
I would be VERY surprised if the Vikes beat Arizona. I could see a pumped up Vikings team giving them a game, but a late game winning TD from Murray to Hopkins seems like a likely ending.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/16/2021 10:19:45 PM)
If even a few things mentioned here as far as improvements happen, the Vikes could be drastically better [if they're in addition to improvements of special teams, #3 WR, and interior DL]. If ALL the things mentioned here improve, the Vikes may be a SB contender.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/17/2021 12:01:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo Heineke starting for Wash. Reminds me a bit of Case... limited in some ways but makes plays and guys make plays for him... fun to watch. On the play in which Washington scores their last touchdown you can see Heineke look left to his RB in the flat. The RB is wide open with about ten yards of open field in front of him. Heineke looks back downfield and puts the ball high and in outside where only his receiver can get it. Touchdown. A lesser QB takes the dump off and maybe the team only gets a field goal keeping the team from winning with a field goal at the end of the game. Yet on the stat sheet it looks like a 12 yard completion and the fans say ‘he did everything he could to put the team in a position to win’ when really he didn’t.

ratoppenheimer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/17/2021 1:19:04 AM)
. . Courtney Cronin@CourtneyRCronin Eric Kendricks has a quad injury and Everson Griffen has a concussion, according to the Thursday injury report. Both were DNP, along with Anthony Barr (knee) and Harrison Hand (hamstring). Christian Darrisaw and Nick Vigil limited for the second day in a row.

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