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As an addendum, how does Mr Cornerback Coach lose his whole CB room at once? How is that, at least in large part, on him?

Prob part of the reason he got another year.....Salary cap issue. (Rhodes, Waynes, Alexander)....but I would still trade Dantzler, Gladney, and whomever is the third going into next year---I think we will be better.

He made choices that limited the salary cap (Barr) and had no one developed behind them, including the first rounder (Hughes) he insisted on even though we had a full slate of starters at the time.

Pretty sure they knew in advance about the CBs and the cap, after all we did. So they drafted Hughes. That's good planning, even though Hughes has not panned out.

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Diggs had no interest in being #2 or 1b even on a run heavy offense led by Kirk Cousins. And if he was still on the roster with us choosing a WR in the 1st...forget about it.

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The Vikings could have kept Diggs AND drafted Jefferson.

Gladney seems pretty average, and they could have just drafted Jefferson instead of him. As long as they still drafted Cleveland and Dantzler, it would have been an amazing draft, and then still had Diggs.

Theilen, Diggs and Jefferson at #3, that would have been fun to watch, similar to '98, though Cousins and the OL were not as good as RC with the '98 OL.

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Capers may have been part of the reason the defense sucked this last season, and why Aaron has just one ring.

Hopefully the Pack defense struggles, and Pettine proves to be just as bad.

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The Vikings could have kept Diggs AND drafted Jefferson.

Gladney seems pretty average, and they could have just drafted Jefferson instead of him. As long as they still drafted Cleveland and Dantzler, it would have been an amazing draft, and then still had Diggs.

Theilen, Diggs and Jefferson at #3, that would have been fun to watch, similar to '98, though Cousins and the OL were not as good as RC with the '98 OL.

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Diggs had no interest in being #2 or 1b even on a run heavy offense led by Kirk Cousins. And if he was still on the roster with us choosing a WR in the 1st...forget about it.

We wouldn't have chosen a WR in the 1st if he was on the roster.

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The Vikings could have kept Diggs AND drafted Jefferson.

Gladney seems pretty average, and they could have just drafted Jefferson instead of him. As long as they still drafted Cleveland and Dantzler, it would have been an amazing draft, and then still had Diggs.

Theilen, Diggs and Jefferson at #3, that would have been fun to watch, similar to '98, though Cousins and the OL were not as good as RC with the '98 OL.

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You have to build your team from the trench's and we've undervalued those positions for a long time. Protecting the QB and harassing the opponent's QB are the name of the game.

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Hughes was a terrible choice at the time. We had Waynes, Rhodes, Mac as starters. Waynes & Mac still had two years on rookie deal. There was no reason to believe Rhodes was going to drop off a cliff. Added James and Hill as developmental guys. James has since started for the Eagles, signing a 1 year ext before a season ending injury. This was a team coming off the NFCCG and had glaring holes/immediate needs.

Hughes performance
2018: PFF 61.6, allowed a 66.7 comp%, 9.1 yds/target, and a 104% rating.
2019: PFF 58.7, allowed a 61.2%, 7.2 per target, and a 91.9% rating.
2020: PFF 54.4, 75% comp %, 13.1 per target, and a 126.3% rating.

Injuries might have derailed his development but this was not a good return on a first round pick.

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You have to build your team from the trench's and we've undervalued those positions for a long time. Protecting the QB and harassing the opponent's QB are the name of the game.

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You have to build your team from the trench's and we've undervalued those positions for a long time. Protecting the QB and harassing the opponent's QB are the name of the game.

agreed.

I would add DB's to your list as equally important.

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Hughes was a terrible choice at the time. We had Waynes, Rhodes, Mac as starters. Waynes & Mac still had two years on rookie deal. There was no reason to believe Rhodes was going to drop off a cliff. Added James and Hill as developmental guys. James has since started for the Eagles, signing a 1 year ext before a season ending injury. This was a team coming off the NFCCG and had glaring holes/immediate needs.

Hughes performance
2018: PFF 61.6, allowed a 66.7 comp%, 9.1 yds/target, and a 104% rating.
2019: PFF 58.7, allowed a 61.2%, 7.2 per target, and a 91.9% rating.
2020: PFF 54.4, 75% comp %, 13.1 per target, and a 126.3% rating.

Injuries might have derailed his development but this was not a good return on a first round pick.

I didn't like the pick, but the pick showed they were planning at CB which was what the earlier posts about Hughes were about. The three incumbent CBs were simply not all going to be around due to the high cost. So the idea would be Hughes would step in to remedy that. And Waynes may have been on a rookie deal, but it was a very expensive last year or two.

Needs elsewhere... related but different topic.

Either they wanted Hughes to be the bridge or they wanted to make CB an overwhelming strength.

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Hughes was a terrible choice at the time. We had Waynes, Rhodes, Mac as starters. Waynes & Mac still had two years on rookie deal. There was no reason to believe Rhodes was going to drop off a cliff. Added James and Hill as developmental guys. James has since started for the Eagles, signing a 1 year ext before a season ending injury. This was a team coming off the NFCCG and had glaring holes/immediate needs.

Hughes performance
2018: PFF 61.6, allowed a 66.7 comp%, 9.1 yds/target, and a 104% rating.
2019: PFF 58.7, allowed a 61.2%, 7.2 per target, and a 91.9% rating.
2020: PFF 54.4, 75% comp %, 13.1 per target, and a 126.3% rating.

Injuries might have derailed his development but this was not a good return on a first round pick.

I didn't like the pick, but the pick showed they were planning at CB which was what the earlier posts about Hughes were about. The three incumbent CBs were simply not all going to be around due to the high cost. So the idea would be Hughes would step in to remedy that. And Waynes may have been on a rookie deal, but it was a very expensive last year or two.

Needs elsewhere... related but different topic.

Either they wanted Hughes to be the bridge or they wanted to make CB an overwhelming strength.

In many circumstances it's a great idea, that type of forward thinking. In my opinion, that wasn't the time for it. You just signed Cousins to record setting contract, had a window to be competitive and your oline had been in shambles for years. In 2018 Waynes contract was 2.2M, Waynes fifth year option was 9M.

As someone else posted, that's the time to pick a raw tools guy that needs development, ie Hunter when Robison and Griffith were starting.

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Hughes was a terrible choice at the time. We had Waynes, Rhodes, Mac as starters. Waynes & Mac still had two years on rookie deal. There was no reason to believe Rhodes was going to drop off a cliff. Added James and Hill as developmental guys. James has since started for the Eagles, signing a 1 year ext before a season ending injury. This was a team coming off the NFCCG and had glaring holes/immediate needs.

Hughes performance
2018: PFF 61.6, allowed a 66.7 comp%, 9.1 yds/target, and a 104% rating.
2019: PFF 58.7, allowed a 61.2%, 7.2 per target, and a 91.9% rating.
2020: PFF 54.4, 75% comp %, 13.1 per target, and a 126.3% rating.

Injuries might have derailed his development but this was not a good return on a first round pick.

I didn't like the pick, but the pick showed they were planning at CB which was what the earlier posts about Hughes were about. The three incumbent CBs were simply not all going to be around due to the high cost. So the idea would be Hughes would step in to remedy that. And Waynes may have been on a rookie deal, but it was a very expensive last year or two.

Needs elsewhere... related but different topic.

Either they wanted Hughes to be the bridge or they wanted to make CB an overwhelming strength.

In many circumstances it's a great idea, that type of forward thinking. In my opinion, that wasn't the time for it. You just signed Cousins to record setting contract, had a window to be competitive and your oline had been in shambles for years. In 2018 Waynes contract was 2.2M, Waynes fifth year option was 9M.

As someone else posted, that's the time to pick a raw tools guy that needs development, ie Hunter when Robison and Griffith were starting.

Normal regimes (or should I say upper ones) would build around an investment like Cousins so that he can succeed. I guess I simply don't understand Spielmans philosophy here. We've been weak up the middle throughout his tenure. He must really, really devalue the G position. hasn't worked out well.

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You have to build your team from the trench's and we've undervalued those positions for a long time. Protecting the QB and harassing the opponent's QB are the name of the game.

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Check out this chart. The Vikings are a league of their own.

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