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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The gist of Pager’s initial over-the-top frothy spilling over of FA optimism was: “Based on EVERY slam-dunk defensive FA signing under Zimmer, I expect this season to be more joyful than the coming Rapture.” (His below-avg assessment, not mine)

You can argue the intention / expectation / value of past FA signings all you want ... bottomline is, Joseph was the only above avg fa addition under Zimmer to come through FA, and if you remember right, it took him 1-2 seasons to start playing at a high level. I had forgotten about Captain M ... he started slow as well.

There should be optimism, there’s a real good chance the defense will be greatly improved. I don’t think Zimmer or Spielman’s FA track record ensures that.

Agree, Joseph was the best of them.

At first it was whether they worked out. Then he introduced "value", labeled UFA signings as extensions, etc.

Let's be happy for Pager that all the FAs met all his subjective criteria.

The board is set ... the game begins ...

Pager's attack strategy is moving his pieces back and forth until they line up in their same starting position ... give him credit, its especially hard to do with pawns ...he is thrilled with no outcome.

(Phil attacks by trying to move pieces on different boards in other games he was not invited to ... his pieces never actually move)

Meanwhile, our hero bides his time before springing like a huge jungle cat to claim argumentative victory.

That's my interpretation.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The gist of Pager’s initial over-the-top frothy spilling over of FA optimism was: “Based on EVERY slam-dunk defensive FA signing under Zimmer, I expect this season to be more joyful than the coming Rapture.” (His below-avg assessment, not mine)

You can argue the intention / expectation / value of past FA signings all you want ... bottomline is, Joseph was the only above avg fa addition under Zimmer to come through FA, and if you remember right, it took him 1-2 seasons to start playing at a high level. I had forgotten about Captain M ... he started slow as well.

There should be optimism, there’s a real good chance the defense will be greatly improved. I don’t think Zimmer or Spielman’s FA track record ensures that.

Agree, Joseph was the best of them.

At first it was whether they worked out. Then he introduced "value", labeled UFA signings as extensions, etc.

Let's be happy for Pager that all the FAs met all his subjective criteria.

The board is set ... the game begins ...

Pager's attack strategy is moving his pieces back and forth until they line up in their same starting position ... give him credit, its especially hard to do with pawns ...he is thrilled with no outcome.

(Phil attacks by trying to move pieces on different boards in other games he was not invited to ... his pieces never actually move)

Meanwhile, our hero bides his time before springing like a huge jungle cat to claim argumentative victory.

That's my interpretation.

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ORIGINAL: The Happy Norseman

Ya know what's nice? Having an offseason where our biggest concern is whether or not our defensive FA signings work out, and if our oline performs up to expectations.

Compare that to a certain team that's watching their MVP QB muscle his way out of town...

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Don't forget Captain Munnerlyn.

Most of the D has been comprised of draftees with gaps filled by vet FAs. To say the vet mins worked out is a stretch.

Joseph - played well on his initial contract here. WORKED OUT.
Richardson - barely played to his $8M contract. Didn't appear to prove much beyond a few flashes in a prove it year, although all it takes is one team to see greatness. DIDN'T WORK OUT.
Stephen - cheap starter in over his head and everyone knew it. WORKED OUT (not his fault he started; played to his low ceiling expectations).
Barr - he was a UFA and he hasn't moved the needle since. HASN'T WORKED OUT.
Pierce - TBD.
Munnerlyn - about what was expected. WORKED OUT.
Newman - cheap 40 year old stopgap whose guile helped but, predictably, got burned deep. SORTA WORKED OUT (but that's not saying much).

Mixed bag.

I'd put Newman in the WORKED OUT catagory. He played pretty well for his age and helped teach Zim's system to the other DB's. I think he even played a few games at S when we had some injuries there.

Exactly. He played great in 2016 and solid in 2017. For a total of $5M.

The only one I would say was maybe a push was Richardson. But I still wouldn't call him DIDNT WORK OUT.

You just said Newman was 66th rated in 2017. That isn't "solid".

He "sorta" worked out. Hold the fort, stopgap until Waynes got up to speed.

If you like "value" signings that consist of being cheap and mediocre then more power to you. With that, Stephen is you personal All-Pro.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

Don't forget Captain Munnerlyn.

Most of the D has been comprised of draftees with gaps filled by vet FAs. To say the vet mins worked out is a stretch.

Joseph - played well on his initial contract here. WORKED OUT.
Richardson - barely played to his $8M contract. Didn't appear to prove much beyond a few flashes in a prove it year, although all it takes is one team to see greatness. DIDN'T WORK OUT.
Stephen - cheap starter in over his head and everyone knew it. WORKED OUT (not his fault he started; played to his low ceiling expectations).
Barr - he was a UFA and he hasn't moved the needle since. HASN'T WORKED OUT.
Pierce - TBD.
Munnerlyn - about what was expected. WORKED OUT.
Newman - cheap 40 year old stopgap whose guile helped but, predictably, got burned deep. SORTA WORKED OUT (but that's not saying much).

Mixed bag.

I'd put Newman in the WORKED OUT catagory. He played pretty well for his age and helped teach Zim's system to the other DB's. I think he even played a few games at S when we had some injuries there.

Exactly. He played great in 2016 and solid in 2017. For a total of $5M.

The only one I would say was maybe a push was Richardson. But I still wouldn't call him DIDNT WORK OUT.

You just said Newman was 66th rated in 2017. That isn't "solid".

He "sorta" worked out. Hold the fort, stopgap until Waynes got up to speed.

If you like "value" signings that consist of being cheap and mediocre then more power to you. With that, Stephen is you personal All-Pro.

You don't think a low-end 2nd corner is solid? WE would have killed for that last year. I like how you ignore that he was top 10 the year before.

Again for a little over 5M for those two years.

Very subjective [&o]

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The gist of Pager’s initial over-the-top frothy spilling over of FA optimism was: “Based on EVERY slam-dunk defensive FA signing under Zimmer, I expect this season to be more joyful than the coming Rapture.” (His below-avg assessment, not mine)

You can argue the intention / expectation / value of past FA signings all you want ... bottomline is, Joseph was the only above avg fa addition under Zimmer to come through FA, and if you remember right, it took him 1-2 seasons to start playing at a high level. I had forgotten about Captain M ... he started slow as well.

There should be optimism, there’s a real good chance the defense will be greatly improved. I don’t think Zimmer or Spielman’s FA track record ensures that.

Agree, Joseph was the best of them.

At first it was whether they worked out. Then he introduced "value", labeled UFA signings as extensions, etc.

Let's be happy for Pager that all the FAs met all his subjective criteria.

The board is set ... the game begins ...

Pager's attack strategy is moving his pieces back and forth until they line up in their same starting position ... give him credit, its especially hard to do with pawns ...he is thrilled with no outcome.

(Phil attacks by trying to move pieces on different boards in other games he was not invited to ... his pieces never actually move)

Meanwhile, our hero bides his time before springing like a huge jungle cat to claim argumentative victory.

That's my interpretation.

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ORIGINAL: Pager

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The gist of Pager’s initial over-the-top frothy spilling over of FA optimism was: “Based on EVERY slam-dunk defensive FA signing under Zimmer, I expect this season to be more joyful than the coming Rapture.” (His below-avg assessment, not mine)

You can argue the intention / expectation / value of past FA signings all you want ... bottomline is, Joseph was the only above avg fa addition under Zimmer to come through FA, and if you remember right, it took him 1-2 seasons to start playing at a high level. I had forgotten about Captain M ... he started slow as well.

There should be optimism, there’s a real good chance the defense will be greatly improved. I don’t think Zimmer or Spielman’s FA track record ensures that.

Agree, Joseph was the best of them.

At first it was whether they worked out. Then he introduced "value", labeled UFA signings as extensions, etc.

Let's be happy for Pager that all the FAs met all his subjective criteria.

The board is set ... the game begins ...

Pager's attack strategy is moving his pieces back and forth until they line up in their same starting position ... give him credit, its especially hard to do with pawns ...he is thrilled with no outcome.

(Phil attacks by trying to move pieces on different boards in other games he was not invited to ... his pieces never actually move)

Meanwhile, our hero bides his time before springing like a huge jungle cat to claim argumentative victory.

That's my interpretation.

[&:]

The self proclaimed hero never submits any original content. Pretty easy to be the peanut gallery.

My original content included the statement that we don't sign many FA. I'm not the one including trades, players whose contracts haven't finished.

Getting all worked up because someone has the temerity to respond?

This will escalate until someone tells you to relax, then it will defuse.

I'll preemptively do it and move on. "Relax".

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The gist of Pager’s initial over-the-top frothy spilling over of FA optimism was: “Based on EVERY slam-dunk defensive FA signing under Zimmer, I expect this season to be more joyful than the coming Rapture.” (His below-avg assessment, not mine)

You can argue the intention / expectation / value of past FA signings all you want ... bottomline is, Joseph was the only above avg fa addition under Zimmer to come through FA, and if you remember right, it took him 1-2 seasons to start playing at a high level. I had forgotten about Captain M ... he started slow as well.

There should be optimism, there’s a real good chance the defense will be greatly improved. I don’t think Zimmer or Spielman’s FA track record ensures that.

Agree, Joseph was the best of them.

At first it was whether they worked out. Then he introduced "value", labeled UFA signings as extensions, etc.

Let's be happy for Pager that all the FAs met all his subjective criteria.

The board is set ... the game begins ...

Pager's attack strategy is moving his pieces back and forth until they line up in their same starting position ... give him credit, its especially hard to do with pawns ...he is thrilled with no outcome.

(Phil attacks by trying to move pieces on different boards in other games he was not invited to ... his pieces never actually move)

Meanwhile, our hero bides his time before springing like a huge jungle cat to claim argumentative victory.

That's my interpretation.

Phil's pieces are checkers [&:]

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

The gist of Pager’s initial over-the-top frothy spilling over of FA optimism was: “Based on EVERY slam-dunk defensive FA signing under Zimmer, I expect this season to be more joyful than the coming Rapture.” (His below-avg assessment, not mine)

You can argue the intention / expectation / value of past FA signings all you want ... bottomline is, Joseph was the only above avg fa addition under Zimmer to come through FA, and if you remember right, it took him 1-2 seasons to start playing at a high level. I had forgotten about Captain M ... he started slow as well.

There should be optimism, there’s a real good chance the defense will be greatly improved. I don’t think Zimmer or Spielman’s FA track record ensures that.

Agree, Joseph was the best of them.

At first it was whether they worked out. Then he introduced "value", labeled UFA signings as extensions, etc.

Let's be happy for Pager that all the FAs met all his subjective criteria.

The board is set ... the game begins ...

Pager's attack strategy is moving his pieces back and forth until they line up in their same starting position ... give him credit, its especially hard to do with pawns ...he is thrilled with no outcome.

(Phil attacks by trying to move pieces on different boards in other games he was not invited to ... his pieces never actually move)

Meanwhile, our hero bides his time before springing like a huge jungle cat to claim argumentative victory.

That's my interpretation.

Phil's pieces are checkers [&:]

Oh dam ... that's hilarious.

Blame me Phil, I encouraged him.

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ORIGINAL: kgdabom

Pete Bercich film breakdown of Chazz Suratt. He's a bit of a homer, but he really likes him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2H2wIbZfF_0

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Bears also interested in Breeland. They have 200K in cap room so I doubt that goes anywhere.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Bears also interested in Breeland. They have 200K in cap room so I doubt that goes anywhere.

Breeland was insulted apparently by our offer per his twitter account.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Bears also interested in Breeland. They have 200K in cap room so I doubt that goes anywhere.

Breeland was insulted apparently by our offer per his twitter account.

He must think he is going to get starter salary this late in the game? He could get an extra million after June 1st....but I doubt the Vikes offered any more then the minimum right now.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Bears also interested in Breeland. They have 200K in cap room so I doubt that goes anywhere.

Breeland was insulted apparently by our offer per his twitter account.

He must think he is going to get starter salary this late in the game? He could get an extra million after June 1st....but I doubt the Vikes offered any more then the minimum right now.

The guy makes plays. 4-5M isn't unreasonable.

If we can fit him and Geno Atkins under cap after June 1st, that would be a nice ending to the off season acquisitions.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

Bears also interested in Breeland. They have 200K in cap room so I doubt that goes anywhere.

Breeland was insulted apparently by our offer per his twitter account.

He must think he is going to get starter salary this late in the game? He could get an extra million after June 1st....but I doubt the Vikes offered any more then the minimum right now.

The guy makes plays. 4-5M isn't unreasonable.

If we can fit him and Geno Atkins under cap after June 1st, that would be a nice ending to the off season acquisitions.

Wonder how the Gladney situation will play out...