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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

It's weird how year after year Phil endlessly defends the existing regime. Then when the regime is replaced en masse, he moves seamlessly to defending the next regime.

Nah. I see a 9-2 team that has two rookie starters as not a fail. 3 rookies with the punter. But that is me. 11 games does not make a career..

Boy Bill must have loved Williams who hasn’t played a game yet or Davis who is also out now.

So the scratchy noise last night was just you moving the goalposts.

You're like Tattoo in Fantasy Island: "The punter! The punter!" [&:][&:]

That was only a minor part of my post...but bill the punter the punter. The point was about the rookies....so knock your head against your own goalposts.

When a team is 9-2; the FO deserves credit. You act like they are 2-9 and I am still backing them.
Still haven't heard you interject who you would have had instead......

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ORIGINAL: bstinger

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

It's weird how year after year Phil endlessly defends the existing regime. Then when the regime is replaced en masse, he moves seamlessly to defending the next regime.

Nah. I see a 9-2 team that has two rookie starters as not a fail. 3 rookies with the punter. But that is me. 11 games does not make a career..

Boy Bill must have loved Williams who hasn’t played a game yet or Davis who is also out now.

So the scratchy noise last night was just you moving the goalposts.

You're like Tattoo in Fantasy Island: "The punter! The punter!" [&:][&:]

That was only a minor part of my post...but bill the punter the punter. The point was about the rookies....so knock your head against your own goalposts.

When a team is 9-2; the FO deserves credit. You act like they are 2-9 and I am still backing them.
Still haven't heard you interject who you would have had instead......

Not necessarily Phil. A team can be 9-2 and the FO can have screwed up the current years draft. They aren't mutually exclusive.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

It's weird how year after year Phil endlessly defends the existing regime. Then when the regime is replaced en masse, he moves seamlessly to defending the next regime.

Nah. I see a 9-2 team that has two rookie starters as not a fail. 3 rookies with the punter. But that is me. 11 games does not make a career..

Boy Bill must have loved Williams who hasn’t played a game yet or Davis who is also out now.

So the scratchy noise last night was just you moving the goalposts.

You're like Tattoo in Fantasy Island: "The punter! The punter!" [&:][&:]

That was only a minor part of my post...but bill the punter the punter. The point was about the rookies....so knock your head against your own goalposts.

When a team is 9-2; the FO deserves credit. You act like they are 2-9 and I am still backing them.
Still haven't heard you interject who you would have had instead......

No, the point - the topic - was about the draft selections. Specifically, the Vikings draft selections.

You moved the goalposts with your collapsible, portable goalposts you keep in your J.C. Penney pocket protector.

Davis in a small trade down or Jameson Williams if the medicals cleared. Later pick used for highest ranked CB. Obviously, that would not have worked since Philly took Davis at 13. Happy? Did I answer your stupid question?

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

It's weird how year after year Phil endlessly defends the existing regime. Then when the regime is replaced en masse, he moves seamlessly to defending the next regime.

Nah. I see a 9-2 team that has two rookie starters as not a fail. 3 rookies with the punter. But that is me. 11 games does not make a career..

Boy Bill must have loved Williams who hasn’t played a game yet or Davis who is also out now.

So the scratchy noise last night was just you moving the goalposts.

You're like Tattoo in Fantasy Island: "The punter! The punter!" [&:][&:]

That was only a minor part of my post...but bill the punter the punter. The point was about the rookies....so knock your head against your own goalposts.

When a team is 9-2; the FO deserves credit. You act like they are 2-9 and I am still backing them.
Still haven't heard you interject who you would have had instead......

No, the point - the topic - was about the draft selections. Specifically, the Vikings draft selections.

You moved the goalposts with your collapsible, portable goalposts you keep in your J.C. Penney pocket protector.

Davis in a small trade down or Jameson Williams if the medicals cleared. Later pick used for highest ranked CB. Obviously, that would not have worked since Philly took Davis at 13. Happy? Did I answer your stupid question?

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

No Phil, you created the punter goalposts. You saying otherwise isn't fooling anybody. You pointed to him as a draft success even though he wasn't drafted.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

No Phil, you created the punter goalposts. You saying otherwise isn't fooling anybody. You pointed to him as a draft success even though he wasn't drafted.

It was a sidenote to the 2 rookie starters....that isn't anywhere close to a goalpost.


Here is the post
Ingram---way better than Dozier. Lots of work to do in Pass Pro; but a very good run blocker.
Evans---would be starting if not injured.
2 starters; first year.
1 Starter is a UDFA (Punter).
Not all that bad and time yet to improve.
You are stuck in Bill's mud as he loves clanking his own head against the goal post; once again

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

No Phil, you created the punter goalposts. You saying otherwise isn't fooling anybody. You pointed to him as a draft success even though he wasn't drafted.

It was a sidenote to the 2 rookie starters....that isn't anywhere close to a goalpost.


Here is the post
Ingram---way better than Dozier. Lots of work to do in Pass Pro; but a very good run blocker.
Evans---would be starting if not injured.
2 starters; first year.
1 Starter is a UDFA (Punter).
Not all that bad and time yet to improve.
You are stuck in Bill's mud as he loves clanking his own head against the goal post; once again

You were responding to a draft post and threw in an undrafted FA as if he was relevant to a draft discussion.

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

UDFAs are basically part of the draft. It is actually tougher than the draft because there is no order and it is a free for all.

That being said, early returns on our high draft picks are not good but hopefully will improve.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

UDFAs are basically part of the draft. It is actually tougher than the draft because there is no order and it is a free for all.

That being said, early returns on our high draft picks are not good but hopefully will improve.

They are connected … one cant happen without the other … but they are two vastly different, separate processes.

Give credit for finding undrafted talent … but saying we drafted well because we signed an undrafted punter after the draft is absurd.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

UDFAs are basically part of the draft. It is actually tougher than the draft because there is no order and it is a free for all.

That being said, early returns on our high draft picks are not good but hopefully will improve.

They are connected … one cant happen without the other … but they are two vastly different, separate processes.

Give credit for finding undrafted talent … but saying we drafted well because we signed an undrafted punter after the draft is absurd.

I would think they fall more under free agents since they're you know, free agents.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: TJSweens

No Phil, you created the punter goalposts. You saying otherwise isn't fooling anybody. You pointed to him as a draft success even though he wasn't drafted.

It was a sidenote to the 2 rookie starters....that isn't anywhere close to a goalpost.


Here is the post
Ingram---way better than Dozier. Lots of work to do in Pass Pro; but a very good run blocker.
Evans---would be starting if not injured.
2 starters; first year.
1 Starter is a UDFA (Punter).
Not all that bad and time yet to improve.
You are stuck in Bill's mud as he loves clanking his own head against the goal post; once again.

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HE RUNS DOWNFIELD as if traveling on grooves. He reaches full speed within two strides, his feet like stones skipping across a flat lake, his hips swerving in and out of cuts without betraying his intent. Vikings receiver Justin Jefferson is a storm that feels far away until it's suddenly overhead. Defenders must feel like they're trying to cover a cloud.

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O'Connell's approach immediately diverged from Zimmer's. During training camp, O'Connell invited Jefferson to his office for a conversation, which is how he learned that Justin Jefferson -- top five receiver in the NFL, two-time Pro Bowler, most popular Viking by far -- had not only never been to the head coach's office but didn't have any idea where it was.

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ORIGINAL: kevinemmer

Hi All

Just wanted to say:

I EFF-ING LOVE KOC!!!! [sm=anim_wow.gif]

Man, what a difference, the culture at Winter Park is in a total reversal.

Check out the you tube mic'd up against the Pats.

The Vikes future is very bright with this guy at the helm. [sm=cool1.gif]

Carry on. [8|]

PS
Agree that so far, the draft appears to be highly sucky (especially at the top).
We shall see, I think Kwesi will get better.

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

UDFAs are basically part of the draft. It is actually tougher than the draft because there is no order and it is a free for all.

That being said, early returns on our high draft picks are not good but hopefully will improve.

They are connected … one cant happen without the other … but they are two vastly different, separate processes.

Give credit for finding undrafted talent … but saying we drafted well because we signed an undrafted punter after the draft is absurd.

I would think they fall more under free agents since they're you know, free agents.

True, they are like mini free agents. They sign where they want to.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

It's weird how year after year Phil endlessly defends the existing regime. Then when the regime is replaced en masse, he moves seamlessly to defending the next regime.

Nah. I see a 9-2 team that has two rookie starters as not a fail. 3 rookies with the punter. But that is me. 11 games does not make a career..

Boy Bill must have loved Williams who hasn’t played a game yet or Davis who is also out now.

So the scratchy noise last night was just you moving the goalposts.

You're like Tattoo in Fantasy Island: "The punter! The punter!" [&:][&:]

That was only a minor part of my post...but bill the punter the punter. The point was about the rookies....so knock your head against your own goalposts.

When a team is 9-2; the FO deserves credit. You act like they are 2-9 and I am still backing them.
Still haven't heard you interject who you would have had instead......

No, the point - the topic - was about the draft selections. Specifically, the Vikings draft selections.

You moved the goalposts with your collapsible, portable goalposts you keep in your J.C. Penney pocket protector.

Davis in a small trade down or Jameson Williams if the medicals cleared. Later pick used for highest ranked CB. Obviously, that would not have worked since Philly took Davis at 13. Happy? Did I answer your stupid question?

You created the punter goalpost yourself; like usual.

It isn't a stupid question...your alternatives are incompletes for the season also...

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

UDFAs are basically part of the draft. It is actually tougher than the draft because there is no order and it is a free for all.

That being said, early returns on our high draft picks are not good but hopefully will improve.

They are connected … one cant happen without the other … but they are two vastly different, separate processes.

Give credit for finding undrafted talent … but saying we drafted well because we signed an undrafted punter after the draft is absurd.

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ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35146086/inside-justin-jefferson-record-breaking-physics-defying-rise-minnesota-vikings

Wow. Jefferson cover story on ESPN. Fantastic read. You will fall even more in love with him. The first paragraph reads like poetry:

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HE RUNS DOWNFIELD as if traveling on grooves. He reaches full speed within two strides, his feet like stones skipping across a flat lake, his hips swerving in and out of cuts without betraying his intent. Vikings receiver Justin Jefferson is a storm that feels far away until it's suddenly overhead. Defenders must feel like they're trying to cover a cloud.

And one revealing, but not surprising side note about the contrast between the previous coaching regime and the current one:

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O'Connell's approach immediately diverged from Zimmer's. During training camp, O'Connell invited Jefferson to his office for a conversation, which is how he learned that Justin Jefferson -- top five receiver in the NFL, two-time Pro Bowler, most popular Viking by far -- had not only never been to the head coach's office but didn't have any idea where it was.

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ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen

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ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes

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ORIGINAL: Mark Anderson

UDFAs are basically part of the draft. It is actually tougher than the draft because there is no order and it is a free for all.

That being said, early returns on our high draft picks are not good but hopefully will improve.

They are connected … one cant happen without the other … but they are two vastly different, separate processes.

Give credit for finding undrafted talent … but saying we drafted well because we signed an undrafted punter after the draft is absurd.

Phil is a FOD... Front Office Defender.

Just like he blames losses and failed seasons on injuries. In the offseason he was mourning the loss of some 2nd-3rd stringer as a big reason the team faltered.

For him, it's living vicariously siding with "management". His upper crust.