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TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:05:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects: Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut. Hell, add in the DL as well. I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. .

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:06:16 PM)
KOC could easily have a worsening record in his first three seasons. Likely have a worse record next season, eject Cousins the following year and a new QB likely struggles.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:13:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall KOC could easily have a worsening record in his first three seasons. Likely have a worse record next season, eject Cousins the following year and a new QB likely struggles. Lots of folks saying KOC is the reason we are 12-4, possibly, but it's more likely we have just gotten more breaks than usual. Which is fine, but it's too small of a sample size to think we have some sort of genius at the helm. I certainly think he is better than Zimmer's final years, and overall I like what I see, but I think he has a long way to go But I watch that first and goal from the 1 yesterday and watch them run behind a 3rd string C, and I say to myself doesn't seem like a smart set of play calls. If you pass, you at least have the ability to roll out and by some time, if the dam breaks in the middle. Not sure if that was on Phillips or KOC, but certainly questionable playcalling.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:18:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Or Detroit knocks them out next week, lol. I don't think there is any reason to "lol" about Detroit beating GB. Lions have a Top 5 offense in points and yards and can drop 30+ on anyone. Packers are a middle of the road offense - don't let them feating on our defense fool you. Packers defense is mediocre vs Detroit's being bad, so that's something I guess.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:19:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects: Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut. Hell, add in the DL as well. I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. . The 1 year competitive rebuild has worked well from a W and L standpoint, however, the defense (which was heading in the wrong direction before this year), needs a fairly significant rebuild IMO, and overall you can just see other holes in this team (e.g., no vialbe 2nd WR threat). When you factor in money, I'd think Kendricks, Harrison, Thielen, Cook are all ripe for either cut a cheap deal or get flat out released. Think I read they free up like $30mil going inot next year to do. But really, we need to build through the draft. This year's draft class has a long way to go, and we already lose a pick next year, due to the Hockensen trade.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:19:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects: Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut. Hell, add in the DL as well. I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. . Hopefully when they lose in a couple weeks they take a long look at things and start a rebuild. Way too many soft old fat players on this team.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:30:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects: Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut. Hell, add in the DL as well. I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. . The 1 year competitive rebuild has worked well from a W and L standpoint, however, the defense (which was heading in the wrong direction before this year), needs a fairly significant rebuild IMO, and overall you can just see other holes in this team (e.g., no vialbe 2nd WR threat). When you factor in money, I'd think Kendricks, Harrison, Thielen, Cook are all ripe for either cut a cheap deal or get flat out released. Think I read they free up like $30mil going inot next year to do. But really, we need to build through the draft. This year's draft class has a long way to go, and we already lose a pick next year, due to the Hockensen trade. Agree with all. These guys won't even net late round picks at their current salaries. Our record assures poor draft position even without the TJ trade.

Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:34:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun!

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:37:04 PM)
David Detroit is 3-4 in the road, their wins being Bears, Jets and Giants. I doubt they beat the Pack in a meaning full game, but they might give them a game.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:38:15 PM)
Thielen is not a viable #2 receiver at this point in his career, he’s done.. Time to move on.. Kj and Nailor can try, but just bring anyone with hands and a basic route tree.. Hock is a keeper, Irv smith can be cut… Cook can walk Cousins can go take a flying leap.. this team needs a consistent, reliable, non- panic driven QB who plays at elite level even under duress.. Cousins is a front runner, who has lead some pretty impressive comeback, this year, I’ll give him that. But we are not winning shit with a QB who can’t figure out how to get a touchdown on a green paint dirt field with first and goal from the One Yard Line. I’m 65 years old , 6-4 and 220 pounds It might kill me, or break every bone in my hands and arms, but I think I could get in from the one with 900 lbs of linemen and a crease in front of me. Fuq Kirk Cousins. Harrison smith is over the hill and hook sliding into retirement or the open market.. Idk what they are gonna do with Donnashello and his disgraceful defense. Me, I’d have fired him after Philly, then Dallas then Detroit, and yesterday.. but hey.. I’m overreacting, right?

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:42:04 PM)
If the 2 games against the Pack had the exact same scores, but were flipped, it would have felt like a really slow start to the Vikings' season at 2-0, but now the Vikings would have momentum and would be thought to be chasing the 49ers for the 2nd seed.

stfrank -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:42:08 PM)
This team needs a rebuild starting with both of the lines. Cook occasionally finds a crease for a good gain, but mostly is stuffed at the line. Cousins has time for one read and throw before he is pressured and rarely is afforded the time to look at his 2nd and 3rd reads like most QB's in the league. Time to scrap the zone blocking scheme and get some beef up front that can hold up to a bull rush and actually pancake some D-linemen. The defensive line gets stopped in their tracks almost every play and if they make a tackle it's after being dragged for 4 or 5 yards first. More needs to fired than just the DC in my opinion.

fmaltes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:46:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun! I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble. I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:49:26 PM)
Dana I am on record here for saying the Vikes would win at least 11 games, and I, like Dan, may have been over-reacting, but called on Donatell (Mr. 4th and 26) to be fired after the Philly game. I made predictions for the entire season, got many teams in the right place, but over-estimated the Pack, Colts and Rams, but got many other things close. I did predict Denver wouldn't make the playoffs, but didn't think they would be THIS horrible. I am happy with KOC, a good start. I would like to see him work with a good young QB, hopefully we get that chance.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 12:52:23 PM)
I think the Vikings have more studs on defense than the Giants, but the Giants look a lot better because they have a more aggressive DC, more blitzing, and playing more physical. The Giants game will be tough to win. But I think the Vikings have a chance.

Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:04:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: fmaltes quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun! I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble. I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here. There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:05:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun! The interesting thing about yesterday's game is yes, it was a blowout, however, I didn't feel like they were dominated like they were vs Philly and Dallas. They failed to convert an easy TD and then it was like boom boom, down 14-3 (however, I will remind folks this is how we've been winning too). I do get then sense that Cousins got very rattled early, and was not settled down all game. How do miss a lineman on Jefferson on the edge? There are other pics of him just missing guys. But that is who Kirk kind of is, I mean he's been in the league awhile now, and we've all seen it time and time again. The defense got thrashed in the 2nd half, but think they had kind of given up at that point. But the reality is with 2 blowout losses already, it just does not feel good to happen a 3rd time. I don't think even the most optimistic fan can look at the 12 wins and feel like this is a real strong team going into January.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:07:03 PM)
Oh yeah, am I the only one that thought Rodgers looked kind of washed? He's thrown a bunch of shaky deep balls this year. It seems he's lost a lot of pop from that arm. I just don't think he's that good anymore.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:10:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: fmaltes quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun! I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble. I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here. There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence. FYI - don't think we have a second rounder in 2023. Gave it up in the Hockensen trade.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:17:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Kwesi should lead with this during offseason meetings with EVERY CB, S, and LB, not just the usual suspects: Hi and to the point, we fired the DC but nonetheless you were part of the worse pass defense in the NFL. We want to renegotiate your contract, if not you will be cut. Hell, add in the DL as well. I wouldn’t offer the option. There are players they just need to move on from. These guys at a lower price will only help them hang onto short term mediocrity. I made the statement during the Colts game that the Vikings would have been better if they had blown things up in the off-season. I still feel that way. With a couple of exceptions, the guys who are the core of this team won't do anything at this point. It's been a fun season, but this isn't a formula for continued success. . Sorry, yes, I didn't phrase that right. Harrison Smith, Hicks, Kendricks, and Peterson, gone. Probably Hunter too.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:21:39 PM)
Next year we will see if there was truly growth this year or if it was a fluke. Considering the defense is the absolute worst I am leaning towards a fluke season. I think they win one playoff game at home and then get absolutely embarrassed by the 49ers. Shanahan can light up the Vikings even if he is hunger over all week.

Arlowe84 -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:26:16 PM)
It seems we have piss poor personnel for the the 3-4, when I watch teams like Pitt/Bal etc., they just seem to have a ton of active/fast LBs Other than Smith, I'm not sure we have any. Hunter just seems more 4-3 DE. Smith got off to a fast start, but hasn't really seemed the same since he got hurt earlier in the year. I suppose Asamoah, but he really hasn't seen much playing time/ This also makes it a little strange they went for so many DBs in the draft. Knowing this is your first draft, and you are changing up your defense. Seems like most importantly you need your front 7 personnel to actually fit the D you want to run.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:27:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: fmaltes quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun! I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble. I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here. There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence. FYI - don't think we have a second rounder in 2023. Gave it up in the Hockensen trade. We did.

Dana Turner -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:34:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: fmaltes quote: ORIGINAL: Dana Turner quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J Vikes at home v. NYG in round 1, then ... Not sure what happens after that, but I'll be hoping another home game is in the cards! I get people being upset with what happened yesterday, it was game that saw momentum swing very quickly and our coaching staffs inability to scheme us to even footing was brought to light once again. It's tough, we lost a pro bowl caliber RT early on, as well as our second string center. Our RG has played OK this year, but he's a rookie that is far from playing his best ball, now he's surrounded by another guard trying to play center and a backup tackle, the results were predictable. No run game, no pass protection, no mas! The rest of it, well, special teams are having some issues in the return game and this isn't new, the defense played it's usual game, and that's not lights out. This team will go as far as the offense can take them. Hell, I can vaguely remember maybe one or two people in this forum saying that the Vikings would win more than ten games this year, with many saying they would be lucky to be above .500. Lets be honest, we as fans have been very fortunate to watch the growth and development of this team this year. The whole front office and coaching staff changed, less a couple people. We have aging players that were just supposed to help get us through the year until the next infusion of new blood. I am excited for this team, it's staff and ownership, they are performing way above what I expected and they have given me a few very exciting moments that, truthfully, I wasn't expecting when the year started. This week, I am hoping we only see one of our starting offensive line guys play, the rook, and all second team guys play this game against the Bears. I'm actually thinking the Vikings second team guys will give the Bears a run for their money. Rest these guys as nothing can change next week and they need rest, especially Kirk! Sure, I was frustrated during the first half of that game, but really, the circumstances changed very quickly and we just didn't have the strength to overcome it. Sh!t happens, but I'm still marveling at how well the season has gone with all the changes that have taken place in the past 18 months! SKOL Vikings, get your sh!t together and mount a playoff push, this could be fun! I agree with everything you say here. I especially hope they rest as many players as possible. If we cannot get Bradbury and O'Niell Back for the Playoffs we are going to be in big trouble. I would like to know your opinion on the talent level of the three interior offensive linemen. Do you think they have enough talent to keep/develop or do we need to try to upgrade here. There was a time, not too long ago, that my first response to your question would be to say that center had to be upgraded. GB has actually played pretty solid this year, much better than last year. Cleveland appears to have reached his peak, I'm not sure he develops much more than the minor progressions that happen as your career goes forward. Ingram looks like the typical rookie, he has flashes of solid play, but there is so much to learn in the NFL and it will really depend on his heart to see if he can take a big step next year, which is what I expect from him. He is also playing out of position, which is why has had so many mishaps, i.e., stepping on Kirks feet, missed pickups, ect.. I believe we could upgrade at center, GB has been better, but not great by any means, so if a great center is available in the second, I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen. I believe an upgrade there would allow Cleveland to play fine where he is and it's really up to Ingram, if he has the heart to work on his craft in the offseason, he can come in and make that big leap from first year guy to someone playing with more confidence. FYI - don't think we have a second rounder in 2023. Gave it up in the Hockensen trade. We did. The draft is a long way off, I'm hoping we end up with a second rounder, but who knows?

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/2/2023 1:35:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arlowe84 It seems we have piss poor personnel for the the 3-4, when I watch teams like Pitt/Bal etc., they just seem to have a ton of active/fast LBs Other than Smith, I'm not sure we have any. Hunter just seems more 4-3 DE. Smith got off to a fast start, but hasn't really seemed the same since he got hurt earlier in the year. I supposed Asamoah, but he really hasn't seen much playing time/ This also makes it a little strange they went for so many DBs in the draft. Knowing this is your first draft, and you are changing up your defense. Seems like most importantly you need your front 7 personnel to actually fit the D you want to run. We don't. No 3-4 expert, but clearly you need strong LBs in the middle. Kendricks, Hicks, and Asamoah are NOT that. And the 3-4 DL is a mess. Towards the end of the offseason acquisition periods (free agency, draft mainly) a few of us concluded much of the front seven was cobbled together just to field a team, and that it was a 2 or 2+ year project. With few upcoming resources and a crap draft, it's definitely the latter unless they go back to the 4-3.

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