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Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:25:17 AM)
We will be going into the offseason perhaps 32nd (last) in terms of combined cap and draft assets. Basically we sold our soul to the devil (kicking cap money down the road) in order to run it back when the tea leaves clearly pointed toward going full rebuild. The Wilf's pushed all their poker chips to the middle of the table for this year. It has paid off with a Cindarella season but in reality we're just a pumpkin. If they attempt this next year it will just further cement this team in salary cap purgatory.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:25:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: marty Just a simple change back to a 4-3, and a more aggressive scheme that blitzes, could easily boost the defense up 15 spots. Essentially the same personnel played an aggressive 4-3 last year. They weren't 15 spots better. Ya, another ludicrous take from marty.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:26:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The worst thing the Vikings could do right now is give Cousins any type of extension (count your blessings we aren't 6-10 with this defense). They have been very fortunate that this team will reach the playoffs. In any other given year this team could just as easily be 7-9, 8-8 heading into the final week of the season. Cousins is under contract for one more year (as I understand it). I would bet almost every cent I have in the bank that he tries to renegotiate during the off-season. Management has to do everything it can to say no. That means we need to start looking at quarterbacks for the draft so we can get a guy in and groom him. Or, look at potential free agent quarterbacks to sign during the offseason. One more year until we can take off the 50-pound weight around our necks. Until then, the defense isn't going to be much better unless we have a witch running the defense. There isn't much talent there, and what is talented is pretty old. As I see it, there is at a minimum between 6-8 teams looking for a quarterback. IMO, the Vikings need to start thinking about this. Cousins extension last year is the sticking point in the 2023 rebuild option. He's not movable. Bummer. I know very little about contract issues. Perhaps do a minutes worth of research before thinking you have the solution to the problem.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:26:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The worst thing the Vikings could do right now is give Cousins any type of extension (count your blessings we aren't 6-10 with this defense). They have been very fortunate that this team will reach the playoffs. In any other given year this team could just as easily be 7-9, 8-8 heading into the final week of the season. Cousins is under contract for one more year (as I understand it). I would bet almost every cent I have in the bank that he tries to renegotiate during the off-season. Management has to do everything it can to say no. That means we need to start looking at quarterbacks for the draft so we can get a guy in and groom him. Or, look at potential free agent quarterbacks to sign during the offseason. One more year until we can take off the 50-pound weight around our necks. Until then, the defense isn't going to be much better unless we have a witch running the defense. There isn't much talent there, and what is talented is pretty old. As I see it, there is at a minimum between 6-8 teams looking for a quarterback. IMO, the Vikings need to start thinking about this. Cousins extension last year is the sticking point in the 2023 rebuild option. He's not movable. Why not? He will only cost $6M in dead cap if we move him after June 1. I assume by move you mean cut him. Cousins has a no trade clause for 2023 and added two additional void years for salary cap purposes.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:26:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The worst thing the Vikings could do right now is give Cousins any type of extension (count your blessings we aren't 6-10 with this defense). They have been very fortunate that this team will reach the playoffs. In any other given year this team could just as easily be 7-9, 8-8 heading into the final week of the season. Cousins is under contract for one more year (as I understand it). I would bet almost every cent I have in the bank that he tries to renegotiate during the off-season. Management has to do everything it can to say no. That means we need to start looking at quarterbacks for the draft so we can get a guy in and groom him. Or, look at potential free agent quarterbacks to sign during the offseason. One more year until we can take off the 50-pound weight around our necks. Until then, the defense isn't going to be much better unless we have a witch running the defense. There isn't much talent there, and what is talented is pretty old. As I see it, there is at a minimum between 6-8 teams looking for a quarterback. IMO, the Vikings need to start thinking about this. Cousins extension last year is the sticking point in the 2023 rebuild option. He's not movable. Bummer. I know very little about contract issues. Perhaps do a minutes worth of research before thinking you have the solution to the problem. Happy New Year bstinger. I see there was one resolution for the new year you had no interest in.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:32:23 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Just a simple change back to a 4-3, and a more aggressive scheme that blitzes, could easily boost the defense up 15 spots. Mo, Marty. Blitzing is not some magical cure-all. You still need talent. We don't have anything resembling Top 15 talent on our defense - and we're going to be losing some of our older players (who sadly may still be better than the young guys).

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:32:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The worst thing the Vikings could do right now is give Cousins any type of extension (count your blessings we aren't 6-10 with this defense). They have been very fortunate that this team will reach the playoffs. In any other given year this team could just as easily be 7-9, 8-8 heading into the final week of the season. Cousins is under contract for one more year (as I understand it). I would bet almost every cent I have in the bank that he tries to renegotiate during the off-season. Management has to do everything it can to say no. That means we need to start looking at quarterbacks for the draft so we can get a guy in and groom him. Or, look at potential free agent quarterbacks to sign during the offseason. One more year until we can take off the 50-pound weight around our necks. Until then, the defense isn't going to be much better unless we have a witch running the defense. There isn't much talent there, and what is talented is pretty old. As I see it, there is at a minimum between 6-8 teams looking for a quarterback. IMO, the Vikings need to start thinking about this. Cousins extension last year is the sticking point in the 2023 rebuild option. He's not movable. Why not? He will only cost $6M in dead cap if we move him after June 1. I assume by move you mean cut him. Cousins has a no trade clause for 2023 and added two additional void years for salary cap purposes. No trade just means Cousins has to agree to it.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:33:17 AM)
Bstinger The Vikings did NOT have Zed last year, am not sure they were aggressive enough, and the coverages were also soft. Outdated schemes from Zimmer that really haven't done much in the playoffs. The offense is also better under KOC, so that should have made things easier for the defense, and should make things easier for a better defensive coordinator next year. Get Fangio, or someone better, and see the defense be no less than #15 in the rankings.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:39:03 AM)
The Vikings have more talent on defense than the Giants, and they are ranked #16. More blitzing doesn't cure everything, but combine it with more man coverage, along with more unpredictability, and you get a much better defense than what Mr. 4th and 26 is putting out there. Plenty of talent on the defense right now, and talent can be improved with the draft and free agency, along with getting the 1st and 2nd round safety and CB they drafted this last season, back in the fold.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:44:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The worst thing the Vikings could do right now is give Cousins any type of extension (count your blessings we aren't 6-10 with this defense). They have been very fortunate that this team will reach the playoffs. In any other given year this team could just as easily be 7-9, 8-8 heading into the final week of the season. Cousins is under contract for one more year (as I understand it). I would bet almost every cent I have in the bank that he tries to renegotiate during the off-season. Management has to do everything it can to say no. That means we need to start looking at quarterbacks for the draft so we can get a guy in and groom him. Or, look at potential free agent quarterbacks to sign during the offseason. One more year until we can take off the 50-pound weight around our necks. Until then, the defense isn't going to be much better unless we have a witch running the defense. There isn't much talent there, and what is talented is pretty old. As I see it, there is at a minimum between 6-8 teams looking for a quarterback. IMO, the Vikings need to start thinking about this. Cousins extension last year is the sticking point in the 2023 rebuild option. He's not movable. Why not? He will only cost $6M in dead cap if we move him after June 1. I assume by move you mean cut him. Cousins has a no trade clause for 2023 and added two additional void years for salary cap purposes. No trade just means Cousins has to agree to it. And by virtue of it being in Cousins contract, it's something that as a minimum he has concerns about. But yes it is a possibility. We pay $36 million to Cousins then after June 1st trade him to a team he approves of. We get something at least for him, and likely end up near the top of the draft the following season. Shades of tanking but it looks legit. So he is technically movable, but IMO is highly unlikely to be moved.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:46:15 AM)
another ludicrous take from marty. No, what's ludicrous is your thinking that switching defensive coordinators from Mr. 4th and 26 can't have a major effect on the defense. Who are the Vikings studs on defense? Hunter, Zed, Kendricks, Peterson and Smith. They all look worse because of a bad scheme, they will look better in a better scheme. Had Mr. 4th and 26 been the Rams defensive coordinator last season, the Rams probably wouldn't have made the playoffs, and you would have said some of their studs like Donald and Miller had lost a step, when it was really the Donatell scheme that made you think that.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:47:35 AM)
How in the heck are they going to make up last night's game?

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:47:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Bstinger The Vikings did NOT have Zed last year, am not sure they were aggressive enough, and the coverages were also soft. Outdated schemes from Zimmer that really haven't done much in the playoffs. The offense is also better under KOC, so that should have made things easier for the defense, and should make things easier for a better defensive coordinator next year. Get Fangio, or someone better, and see the defense be no less than #15 in the rankings. Actually we're scoring less points than last year. Not sure that qualifies better.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:48:16 AM)
For those of you who want to pretend to be GM's, try this site out. It allows you to see what you could save by cutting players from your roster. Only one highly paid player I've seen that we get any kind of significant savings from by releasing without a ton of dead cap is Kendricks. I haven't tried much with trades or restructures, but there are options there to play with as well. Kwesi screwed the pooch by doubling down on this roster and trying to do the "competitive" rebuild. 12-4 has been fun but we all know this team is very unlikely to get to the Conference Championship game, let alone the Super Bowl. He should have torn it down, but I understand this route was mandated by the Wilf's, so I guess ultimately they screwed the pooch. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/minnesota-vikings/

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:51:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger For those of you who want to pretend to be GM's, try this site out. It allows you to see what you could save by cutting players from your roster. Only one highly paid player I've seen that we get any kind of significant savings from by releasing without a ton of dead cap is Kendricks. I haven't tried much with trades or restructures, but there are options there to play with as well. Kwesi screwed the pooch by doubling down on this roster and trying to do the "competitive" rebuild. 12-4 has been fun but we all know this team is very unlikely to get to the Conference Championship game, let alone the Super Bowl. He should have torn it down, but I understand this route was mandated by the Wilf's, so I guess ultimately they screwed the pooch. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/minnesota-vikings/ Thanks for the tool. Now, perhaps you could start the New Year by not being such a tool. I just used your tool and traded Cousins to Baltimore for Justin Tucker. It says I saved nearly $15-million against the cap.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:53:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty The Vikings have more talent on defense than the Giants, and they are ranked #16. More blitzing doesn't cure everything, but combine it with more man coverage, along with more unpredictability, and you get a much better defense than what Mr. 4th and 26 is putting out there. Plenty of talent on the defense right now, and talent can be improved with the draft and free agency, along with getting the 1st and 2nd round safety and CB they drafted this last season, back in the fold. Who on our D has talent? Several of them had talent at one point but are over the hill or too banged up to preform at the level required. A few young guys might have talent but have yet to show it consistently or even been on the field enough to have a chance to show it. I'm not defending Donatell, but I think it's as much of a personnel problem as a scheme problem.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:55:19 AM)
Who are the Vikings studs on defense? Hunter, Zed, Kendricks, Peterson and Smith. LOL! 2018 is calling on line 1 and 2015 is on line 2.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:55:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M How in the heck are they going to make up last night's game? It doesn't sound like they will. Team went back to Buffalo. My guess is it will be a forfeit by Buffalo.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:56:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M How in the heck are they going to make up last night's game? My initial thought was keep Buffalo in town at hotel and if the injured player was alive and stable resume it tonight. My guess is that is now out the window.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:56:30 AM)
If the Wilfs demand we run it back next year it might be hard to watch. We've had more than our fair share of good bounces and breaks to give us fools gold and next year might look more like 2021. In retrospect sure having it blown up this year would have accelerated our future run but pushing it back another year would be perhaps the worst thing. I'd certainly be able to get behind getting younger and cap healthy.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:57:13 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Who are the Vikings studs on defense? Hunter, Zed, Kendricks, Peterson and Smith. LOL! 2018 is calling on line 1 and 2015 is on line 2. Yep, these guys used to be studs.

Todd M -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:58:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M How in the heck are they going to make up last night's game? It doesn't sound like they will. Team went back to Buffalo. My guess is it will be a forfeit by Buffalo. Wow that seems crazy. How very unfortunate.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 10:59:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger For those of you who want to pretend to be GM's, try this site out. It allows you to see what you could save by cutting players from your roster. Only one highly paid player I've seen that we get any kind of significant savings from by releasing without a ton of dead cap is Kendricks. I haven't tried much with trades or restructures, but there are options there to play with as well. Kwesi screwed the pooch by doubling down on this roster and trying to do the "competitive" rebuild. 12-4 has been fun but we all know this team is very unlikely to get to the Conference Championship game, let alone the Super Bowl. He should have torn it down, but I understand this route was mandated by the Wilf's, so I guess ultimately they screwed the pooch. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/roster/minnesota-vikings/ Thanks for the tool. Now, perhaps you could start the New Year by not being such a tool. I just used your tool and traded Cousins to Baltimore for Justin Tucker. It says I saved nearly $15-million against the cap. Don't act like you have all the answers when you don't have a clue, and I won't be as rude to you. Cousins would have to approve any trade you know.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 11:00:10 AM)
One barometer of being a stud or impact player is who keeps opposing coordinators up at night trying to scheme around. So who in the Vikings defense - scheme or no scheme - are these talented players that worry offensive coordinators around the league? I say Za Smith is the most impactful player but I hope they trade him before announcing they are going back to a 4-3.

bstinger -> RE: General Vikes Talk (1/3/2023 11:02:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M quote: ORIGINAL: bstinger quote: ORIGINAL: Todd M How in the heck are they going to make up last night's game? It doesn't sound like they will. Team went back to Buffalo. My guess is it will be a forfeit by Buffalo. Wow that seems crazy. How very unfortunate. https://www.syracuse.com/buffalo-bills/2023/01/nothing-in-consideration-by-nfl-for-rescheduling-bills-vs-bengals-after-hamlin-injury.html

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