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Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/25/2023 9:07:53 PM)
Jalen Hurtz knows how to lead a team on the road..

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/25/2023 9:49:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. We’ve been conditioned to believe that Kirk always has the “worst” of all the supporting components and no one bothered to go fact check any of it. I think there's a ton of truth to this. Good research man! However I think Ingram is terrible. Especially on running plays.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/25/2023 10:29:29 PM)
So im watching the tape and if Hock catches that pass it looks like he very well could have been short of the goal line. That wouldn't have surprised me either.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 7:43:32 AM)
Rain coming down in buckets this morning Ricky

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 8:22:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young Jalen Hurtz is better than KFC Baker Mayfield is better than KFC Justin Fields is better than KFC… Jordan Love is better than KFC Jarred Goff is better than KFC Justin Herbert is better than KFC Brock Purdy is better than KFC Patrick Mahomes if a first ballot HOF, obviously better than KFC The Philly defense is the best in the NFC. Agree with most, but if we had a season of Justin Fields we'd be begging for Cousins back. Fields has to be one of the single biggest wastes draft capital in history.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 8:52:10 AM)
Goff is Cousins Fields? roflmao the only QB worse in the league is the Jets QB. Mayfield? he has had plenty of chances with offensive coaches. The rest, I would take because they are truly great or they are cheap. You need to be damn good like Mahomes, doesn't even need a high price WR or damn cheap and decent so you can build around them.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:04:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Goff is Cousins Fields? roflmao the only QB worse in the league is the Jets QB. Mayfield? he has had plenty of chances with offensive coaches. The rest, I would take because they are truly great or they are cheap. You need to be damn good like Mahomes, doesn't even need a high price WR or damn cheap and decent so you can build around them. It is all about the turnovers Ron---1st game was on Kirk. David F is not wrong about the Oline; he is wrong about Kirk. 3rd in yards 2nd in yards/play 5th in EPA (TOs excluded) The team is 15th in points scored. Turn the ball over at an average rate and the offense is elite.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:08:29 AM)
Weird fact of the day: 113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins was drafted in 2012, and Patrick Mahomes is the only one to win a Superbowl.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:11:51 AM)
Dean Lowry -- 116 snaps, 2 solo tackles, 4 assists, PFF grade: 37.7. The GM should consider modifying his analytics model.

Bill Jandro -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:17:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse Dean Lowry -- 116 snaps, 2 solo tackles, 4 assists, PFF grade: 37.7. The GM should consider modifying his analytics model. That's bad. Lowry is a low end backup that has no business starting.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:19:09 AM)
On this date in 1976: BLOOMINGTON, Minn., Oct. 13 (AP) —The Minnesota Vikings acknowledged today they had been fined and reprimanded by the National Football League for arriving late for their game against Detroit on Sept. 26. “The league has taken appropriate action in connection with our showing up late for the Detroit game,” General Manager Mike Lynn said. The amount of the fine was not announced, but it was believed to be in the vicinity of $5,000. The Vikings arrived 15 minutes before the scheduled time for the opening kickoff, forcing a half‐hour delay in the start of the game at Pontiac, Mich. Vikings officials blamed unexpected heavy traffic for the late arrival. Minnesota won the game, 10‐9. The Vikings denied speculation that they had been reprimanded for allegedly withholding information about an injury to their star quarterback, Fran Tarkenton, during the Detroit game.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:32:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: jbusse Dean Lowry -- 116 snaps, 2 solo tackles, 4 assists, PFF grade: 37.7. The GM should consider modifying his analytics model. That's bad. Lowry is a low end backup that has no business starting. He had only 1 tackle for loss all of last year (15 games, 12 starts). One would think that recent trajectory is one of the more reliable predictors of performance.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:34:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro Rain coming down in buckets this morning Ricky Bill, I drove a school bus from Lansing last night (on the Iowa side going home). Not fun! ha ha!

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:38:06 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Goff is Cousins Fields? roflmao the only QB worse in the league is the Jets QB. Mayfield? he has had plenty of chances with offensive coaches. The rest, I would take because they are truly great or they are cheap. You need to be damn good like Mahomes, doesn't even need a high price WR or damn cheap and decent so you can build around them. It is all about the turnovers Ron---1st game was on Kirk. David F is not wrong about the Oline; he is wrong about Kirk. 3rd in yards 2nd in yards/play 5th in EPA (TOs excluded) The team is 15th in points scored. Turn the ball over at an average rate and the offense is elite. He isn't going to be the QB next year, but to pretend that is going all of a sudden transform the team is a joke. The roster is devoid of talent on both sides of the ball. Organizational failure. Likely next year's team will have a worse record than whatever they end up with this year. Vikings will really need to "hit" on a QB next year just to be mildly interesting, otherwise they will regress into what the Bears are quickly. Jefferson isn't going to tolerate any of that. Which is why I would be very open to trading him after the season if it moves the Vikings up to the top spot.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:46:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Goff is Cousins Fields? roflmao the only QB worse in the league is the Jets QB. Mayfield? he has had plenty of chances with offensive coaches. The rest, I would take because they are truly great or they are cheap. You need to be damn good like Mahomes, doesn't even need a high price WR or damn cheap and decent so you can build around them. It is all about the turnovers Ron---1st game was on Kirk. David F is not wrong about the Oline; he is wrong about Kirk. 3rd in yards 2nd in yards/play 5th in EPA (TOs excluded) The team is 15th in points scored. Turn the ball over at an average rate and the offense is elite. He isn't going to be the QB next year, but to pretend that is going all of a sudden transform the team is a joke. The roster is devoid of talent on both sides of the ball. Organizational failure. Likely next year's team will have a worse record than whatever they end up with this year. Vikings will really need to "hit" on a QB next year just to be mildly interesting, otherwise they will regress into what the Bears are quickly. Jefferson isn't going to tolerate any of that. Which is why I would be very open to trading him after the season if it moves the Vikings up to the top spot. One question for you; how many TOs has the team had in 3 games and outside of the first game how many were on Kirk (QB)? The team should be 1-2 or 2-1. We lost to Eagles by a TD and JJ lost the football at the goal and Powell fumbled a Punt Return inside the Eagles 40.....is that organizational failure or player focus? TJ had a fumble and dropped a pass that led to the Int at the end and Evans deflected a sure Int into a TD; are those on Kirk? Doesn't seem like organizational failure to me just players not making simple plays. I also saw an easy TD for Mattison but he didn't follow his blocks last Sunday.....

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 9:58:34 AM)
https://sports.yahoo.com/zulgad-kirk-cousins-indecision-reason-013455777.html The indecisive Kirk Cousins. This article IMHO hits the nail on the proverbial head.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:17:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Goff is Cousins Fields? roflmao the only QB worse in the league is the Jets QB. Mayfield? he has had plenty of chances with offensive coaches. The rest, I would take because they are truly great or they are cheap. You need to be damn good like Mahomes, doesn't even need a high price WR or damn cheap and decent so you can build around them. It is all about the turnovers Ron---1st game was on Kirk. David F is not wrong about the Oline; he is wrong about Kirk. 3rd in yards 2nd in yards/play 5th in EPA (TOs excluded) The team is 15th in points scored. Turn the ball over at an average rate and the offense is elite. He isn't going to be the QB next year, but to pretend that is going all of a sudden transform the team is a joke. The roster is devoid of talent on both sides of the ball. Organizational failure. Likely next year's team will have a worse record than whatever they end up with this year. Vikings will really need to "hit" on a QB next year just to be mildly interesting, otherwise they will regress into what the Bears are quickly. Jefferson isn't going to tolerate any of that. Which is why I would be very open to trading him after the season if it moves the Vikings up to the top spot. One question for you; how many TOs has the team had in 3 games and outside of the first game how many were on Kirk (QB)? The team should be 1-2 or 2-1. We lost to Eagles by a TD and JJ lost the football at the goal and Powell fumbled a Punt Return inside the Eagles 40.....is that organizational failure or player focus? TJ had a fumble and dropped a pass that led to the Int at the end and Evans deflected a sure Int into a TD; are those on Kirk? Doesn't seem like organizational failure to me just players not making simple plays. I also saw an easy TD for Mattison but he didn't follow his blocks last Sunday..... doesn't really matter, this season is toast, Kirk won't be back. Time to move on but outside Mahomes I don't think any QB can lead this roster to anything as it stands. I guess we will all find out in 2024. I would trade away Cousins and Hunter today if decent offers were made, the future is the next draft.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:18:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott https://sports.yahoo.com/zulgad-kirk-cousins-indecision-reason-013455777.html The indecisive Kirk Cousins. This article IMHO hits the nail on the proverbial head. And there it is... “I could do anything I want,” Cousins said. “I can do the quarterback sneak. I can do whatever I want, but at the same time you also have to deal with the consequences. Against Buffalo last year I snuck it on my own and didn’t get in, so until you know the future it’s hard to know whether to take the reins or not, but I’ve done it before. I try not to make a habit of it, certainly.”

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:24:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall Goff is Cousins Fields? roflmao the only QB worse in the league is the Jets QB. Mayfield? he has had plenty of chances with offensive coaches. The rest, I would take because they are truly great or they are cheap. You need to be damn good like Mahomes, doesn't even need a high price WR or damn cheap and decent so you can build around them. It is all about the turnovers Ron---1st game was on Kirk. David F is not wrong about the Oline; he is wrong about Kirk. 3rd in yards 2nd in yards/play 5th in EPA (TOs excluded) The team is 15th in points scored. Turn the ball over at an average rate and the offense is elite. He isn't going to be the QB next year, but to pretend that is going all of a sudden transform the team is a joke. The roster is devoid of talent on both sides of the ball. Organizational failure. Likely next year's team will have a worse record than whatever they end up with this year. Vikings will really need to "hit" on a QB next year just to be mildly interesting, otherwise they will regress into what the Bears are quickly. Jefferson isn't going to tolerate any of that. Which is why I would be very open to trading him after the season if it moves the Vikings up to the top spot. One question for you; how many TOs has the team had in 3 games and outside of the first game how many were on Kirk (QB)? The team should be 1-2 or 2-1. We lost to Eagles by a TD and JJ lost the football at the goal and Powell fumbled a Punt Return inside the Eagles 40.....is that organizational failure or player focus? TJ had a fumble and dropped a pass that led to the Int at the end and Evans deflected a sure Int into a TD; are those on Kirk? Doesn't seem like organizational failure to me just players not making simple plays. I also saw an easy TD for Mattison but he didn't follow his blocks last Sunday..... It's a cult all right.

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:24:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Weird fact of the day: 113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins was drafted in 2012, and Patrick Mahomes is the only one to win a Superbowl. A weird fact indeed although two QBs taken before Cousins in that same draft have won Super Bowls. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes won the bulk of those Super Bowls and they had to be drafted and taken a chance on at some point as well. Chiefs should have stuck with Alex Smith?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:36:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Weird fact of the day: 113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins was drafted in 2012, and Patrick Mahomes is the only one to win a Superbowl. A weird fact indeed although two QBs taken before Cousins in that same draft have won Super Bowls. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes won the bulk of those Super Bowls and they had to be drafted and taken a chance on at some point as well. Chiefs should have stuck with Alex Smith? the only reason the Patriots took a chance on Brady is because Drew Bledsoe was injured and couldn't play. Brady showed something special that year and never looked back. if Bledsoe doesn't get injured, does Brady ever even emerge? As good as he ended up, I would like to think so, but who knows?

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:41:46 AM)
Wow, knew a substantial amount of time had run off the clock but didn't realize it was 25 seconds! The only individual who could have prevented that is Kirk Cousins.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:43:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Weird fact of the day: 113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins was drafted in 2012, and Patrick Mahomes is the only one to win a Superbowl. A weird fact indeed although two QBs taken before Cousins in that same draft have won Super Bowls. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes won the bulk of those Super Bowls and they had to be drafted and taken a chance on at some point as well. Chiefs should have stuck with Alex Smith? Add the variable of Andy Reid. I remember what McNabb looked like w/o Reid. How many NFC and AFC championships has Reid been too?

David F. -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:43:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Weird fact of the day: 113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins was drafted in 2012, and Patrick Mahomes is the only one to win a Superbowl. A weird fact indeed although two QBs taken before Cousins in that same draft have won Super Bowls. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes won the bulk of those Super Bowls and they had to be drafted and taken a chance on at some point as well. Chiefs should have stuck with Alex Smith? the only reason the Patriots took a chance on Brady is because Drew Bledsoe was injured and couldn't play. Brady showed something special that year and never looked back. if Bledsoe doesn't get injured, does Brady ever even emerge? As good as he ended up, I would like to think so, but who knows? If Brady never emerged then there would be up to a possible seven extra Super Bowl winning QBs out there.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/26/2023 10:45:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: David F. quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Weird fact of the day: 113 QBs have been drafted since Kirk Cousins was drafted in 2012, and Patrick Mahomes is the only one to win a Superbowl. A weird fact indeed although two QBs taken before Cousins in that same draft have won Super Bowls. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Patrick Mahomes won the bulk of those Super Bowls and they had to be drafted and taken a chance on at some point as well. Chiefs should have stuck with Alex Smith? the only reason the Patriots took a chance on Brady is because Drew Bledsoe was injured and couldn't play. Brady showed something special that year and never looked back. if Bledsoe doesn't get injured, does Brady ever even emerge? As good as he ended up, I would like to think so, but who knows? If Brady never emerged then there would be up to a possible seven extra Super Bowl winning QBs out there. It wasn't just Brady but Brady and Belichek. Reid didn't win until he got Mahomes but he made it there plenty.

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