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Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 11:12:32 AM)
I’d say ‘positive contributor’ is a better benchmark than starter. It depends on where you were drafted too. A high pick is more likely to be pencilled in as a starter right away and get by for a year or two just based on that before a team gives up on him. That makes him an unquestioned failed pick even though he was a starter for a while. A lower pick probably has to work his way up to starter, based on merit. So that is more likely to be labeled a success.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 11:33:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick.

TJSweens -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 11:47:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Level 1, not stepping on the quarterback's foot.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 11:49:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: TJSweens quote: ORIGINAL: Karl Juhnke 2022 draft was a flop. But I’m not ready to close the book on it until I see a healthy Cine in a Brian Flores defense. Donatell seemed to be about jamming square pegs into round holes. Hopefully Flores will be better able to put players in positions where they can succeed. For Cine that means not being a classic pure cover guy, but being a disrupter, a hybrid, patrolling the middle but able to take on a pass catching TE better than a linebacker. If he can have a productive role, the draft gets upgraded from F to maybe D+ or C- My less than expert opinion is that the biggest thing Cine needs to do is get his pads lower. I notice him being on time for plays, but whether it is trying to make a tackle or shed a block, he is always standing straight up. He has no leverage and as a result is getting knocked backwards during contact. Isn't that something you learn in youth football? I would argue the opposite. Look at the long TD run. He was the last line of defense and instead of keeping his head up and squaring the back up, he put his head down to try and blow the guy up and he just leeped over him.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 11:58:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. Strawman. Draft Picks don't need to be instant All-Pros to be good picks. Ingram was terrible as a rookie. Doesn't look much better so far.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 12:20:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. Let's wait for the little birdies to stop circling around Evans head before we call him a hell of a pick.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 12:36:31 PM)
Kwesi has yet to have a hell of a draft pick. Let's hope Pace at least turns out.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 3:07:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. Strawman. Draft Picks don't need to be instant All-Pros to be good picks. Ingram was terrible as a rookie. Doesn't look much better so far. It would be as big of a strawman to say that Booth and Cine can't improve also....I can do that too. Who were the guys as a back seat drafter that were so much better? I even stated Davis.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 3:07:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. Let's wait for the little birdies to stop circling around Evans head before we call him a hell of a pick. If you are calling Ingram shit before he plays a snap in his 2nd year I guess it would be about the same.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 3:50:30 PM)
Shocking... Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer Looks like Cine is done for the day. He's watching DB drills off to the side after getting checked out by medical staff. Favoring right hip/leg.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 3:53:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine Shocking... Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer Looks like Cine is done for the day. He's watching DB drills off to the side after getting checked out by medical staff. Favoring right hip/leg. I'm not at all surprised.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 5:56:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. Let's wait for the little birdies to stop circling around Evans head before we call him a hell of a pick. If you are calling Ingram shit before he plays a snap in his 2nd year I guess it would be about the same. I said we should wait to call Evans a hell of a pick. Then you started twisting logic and common sense like an animal balloon.

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 6:50:05 PM)
Andrew Krammer@Andrew_Krammer When Asamoah participated in early installs, he and Ivan Pace Jr. took first-team reps. Pace then got all the reps in 7v7 and 11v11 with Asamoah still limited w/ undisclosed injury. There were even some reps (in walkthrough) where Asamoah and Pace were on the field together in what appeared to be a 3-3-5 nickel.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 7:08:10 PM)
As a backseat drafter, I would have drafted QB Kenny Pickett, instead of trading back. Pickett showed some flashes last year, but really hasn't shown a whole lot yet.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 10:39:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty As a backseat drafter, I would have drafted QB Kenny Pickett, instead of trading back. Pickett showed some flashes last year, but really hasn't shown a whole lot yet. Pickett? Howell last year or the UCLA QB this year. Pretty much same talent later in the draft. A dynamic first rounder does not describe Pickett

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 10:39:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. Let's wait for the little birdies to stop circling around Evans head before we call him a hell of a pick. If you are calling Ingram shit before he plays a snap in his 2nd year I guess it would be about the same. You are in over your head again, this time getting simple players names mixed up. Or was that merely some weird drag of the goalpost?

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/21/2023 10:43:37 PM)
Goal post dragging? You s said the 2022 and 2023 were shit. All I responded is how do you know? Even the guys we most wanted in 2022 Hamilton, Davis, and Williams haven’t lit the world on fire. 2023 season hasn’t even started to see how the newest rookies are doing.

marty -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 1:57:16 AM)
Phil I was saying Pickett before the draft, and am staying with him. I liked his highlight film over Howell's. I did like the idea of taking a flyer on DTR, had him and Anthony Richardson in the 1st round. But it probably would have taken too much ammo to move up and get Richardson.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 7:46:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marty Phil I was saying Pickett before the draft, and am staying with him. I liked his highlight film over Howell's. I did like the idea of taking a flyer on DTR, had him and Anthony Richardson in the 1st round. But it probably would have taken too much ammo to move up and get Richardson. DTR was gettable later as was Howell; those are the two we should have went after. I know you like Pickett....remember who his WR was?

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 10:12:03 AM)
Hockenson missing this much time for an "ear infection" seems odd to me. Of course I've never had a bad ear infection so I wouldn't know what he's going through if that's really the deal.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 10:12:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo Cine whiffs on the RB.... TD 2022 draft... just keeps on giving He did whiff on the RB. I give the RB some of the credit for making the play. Later in the game Cine makes a great tackle on Malik Willis during a goal line stand that held them to 3.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 10:17:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Jandro quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. Kwesi should have just taken the blue chip player in Hamilton vs getting cute with all the trade backs. He not only got burnt on the return (Det) trade value but also netted (what looks like) poorly picked players. I'd take Hamilton over all of Cine, Booth, Ingram. The obvious pick was Jordan Davis. I'd have taken him over Hamilton in a heartbeat.

kgdabom -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 10:19:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: David Levine quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Grading the 2020 draft class, that was the 15 player draft which included Gladney at #31 overall: https://www.ballysports.com/north/news/3-year-analysis-grading-minnesota-vikings-2020-nfl-draft-class-justin-jefferson 2021 has Darrisaw and 4th rounder Bynum, but the three 3rd round picks were trash. 2022 looks terrible so far. Not hearing about any draftees from 2023 except undrafted Pace. 2021 was bad outside of Darrisaw 2022 2nd 2nd (Ingram), 3rd and 4th rounders are starters or close to it (Cine and Booth have to pick it up). Chandler backup RB. 2023 Blackmon and Addison with get a ton of near start play. Roy will get PT as well. You always classify a starter as if it is a measure of success. I differ in that a crappy starter like Ingram is a crappy player that counts as a negative in the draft. Still holding out hope for him, and Cine too. Booth should be cut. Asamoah had no competition until Pace showed up. Evans is a ? And Chandler a backup RB? 6 carries, 3.3 ypc? More like a guy that snuck into the huddle for a drive. What a low bar. That is what most teams use as measurement of drafts (2-3 starters is the norm)....not necessarily as a measure of success (that would be Pro Bowlers or All Pro) of course. You said nothing is coming out of those drafts (22 and 23)....that isn't true. There is a whole lot of levels between a guy like Ingram and a Pro Bowler. Getting a solid starter (but not a star) is a measure of success. Getting a starter because you can't find anyone better is not. I have seen posts about not trading back on the Williams pick (who has done almost nothing) and praise for Hamilton whose accolades are only the All Rookie team. My preference was Jordan Davis. None are all pro guys at this point. Ingram is in his 2nd year; Cine is basically a rookie. Evans was doing well until the concussions hit.....he was a hell of a pick. [sm=dillydilly.jpg][sm=ditto.gif]

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 10:26:51 AM)
Here seems like an interesting debate: does NaJee Thompson make the final 53?

David Levine -> RE: General Vikes Talk (8/22/2023 11:22:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer If you are calling Ingram shit before he plays a snap in his 2nd year I guess it would be about the same. No O-Lineman in the entire NFL allowed more pressures last year than Ingram. He doesn't really deserve benefit of the doubt.

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