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Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 8:22:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. There is no such thing as a QB that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Tom Brady did it. And he's the GOAT False. Brady processed and got rid of the ball quickly usually. He could also maneuver and climb the pocket. Cousins has zero feel for those things but nice try.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 8:58:51 AM)
re: My comment was more about the Lions being better than some dismissive posters were saying. I don't remember too many posters dismissing the Lions. I remember some who were convinced KC wins that game if #19 wasnt on the field. And a lot that want to crown their asses after coming away with a win against KC - not sure all of those watched the game. There is no doubt which team ought to feel better about themselves this Monday morning, though. No doubt. And that's what sucks. The good vibes and so much of the hope has clearly been sucked out of us after the first game. heavy sigh

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 8:59:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. We gifted TB 2 turnovers and still were in position to win the game....it wasn't about yards. Kirk made a ton of plays against a good defense. KC lost too; would you blame that on Mahomes, not having Kelce, or bad coaching? Weird things happen the first week.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:03:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. We gifted TB 2 turnovers and still were in position to win the game....it wasn't about yards. Kirk made a ton of plays against a good defense. KC lost too; would you blame that on Mahomes, not having Kelce, or bad coaching? Weird things happen the first week. Mahomes didn't have his best game no doubt. However i think ill give him some benefit of the doubt being a multiple Super Bowl champion and all. But Cousins continues to get excuses for coming up short. Jared fricking Goff looked more in control of his offense than we ever get from Cousins. If some want to keep trotting Cousins out there even after this year that's their right. Don't be surprised when we lose to inferior teams or keep them in games we should clearly win comfortably. That's all.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:15:51 AM)
re: Weird things happen the first week. Right! I mean it's only the first preseason, I mean first regular season game. But I get it: For some it's time to vent. And I can't really blame ''em. I have a son who's a venter. Drives me nuts. When sh!t goes on in his life he has to vent. I'm kind of the opposite. But he was all about "3 turnovers and an offsides is the only reason they have 17 points." I don't know, I have a hard time feeling that.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:17:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J re: Weird things happen the first week. Right! I mean it's only the first preseason, I mean first regular season game. But I get it: For some it's time to vent. And I can't really blame ''em. I have a son who's a venter. Drives me nuts. When sh!t goes on in his life he has to vent. I'm kind of the opposite. But he was all about "3 turnovers and an offsides is the only reason they have 17 points." I don't know, I have a hard time feeling that. The weird thing is I'm not even that upset about the loss. I just hope for a franchise qb some day.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:19:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. There is no such thing as a QB that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Tom Brady did it. And he's the GOAT False. Brady processed and got rid of the ball quickly usually. He could also maneuver and climb the pocket. Cousins has zero feel for those things but nice try. 19-0 going into the superbowl and he got totally flustered by the relentless pass rush the Giants sent against him that day. NOT FALSE.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:21:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. There is no such thing as a QB that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Tom Brady did it. And he's the GOAT False. Brady processed and got rid of the ball quickly usually. He could also maneuver and climb the pocket. Cousins has zero feel for those things but nice try. 19-0 going into the superbowl and he got totally flustered by the relentless pass rush the Giants sent against him that day. NOT FALSE. Well of course ANY qb CAN get rattled. To even compare Brady to Cousins is laughable though.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:23:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. There is no such thing as a QB that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Tom Brady did it. And he's the GOAT False. Brady processed and got rid of the ball quickly usually. He could also maneuver and climb the pocket. Cousins has zero feel for those things but nice try. 19-0 going into the superbowl and he got totally flustered by the relentless pass rush the Giants sent against him that day. NOT FALSE. Well of course ANY qb CAN get rattled. To even compare Brady to Cousins is laughable though. I didn't compare them. I said any QB craps his pants under pressure and provided an example.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:26:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Jordan Love looks more composed than Cousins ever has Very true I don't know about that....Kirk had a RG knock the ball out of his hands and a WR hand a CB the football at the goal line. He shredded TB for over 400 yards passing and they have a very good defense. The worst thing he did is not move protection over on Winfield sack/fumble. For shredding a defense he sure did have a lot of 3 and outs. You're still fooled by the few plays a game I see. How do you rate the TB defense Richard? He threw for over 400 yards. I saw about 5 remarkable throws....the throw to KJ was a good one two that was a little late and KJ should have held on. Look at the tape on the throw to Addison for the TD and 3 of the throws to JJ that were in coverage. Who cares about yards. I'll agree the Osborn play wasn't all on him. There's always an excuse though. Obviously our top 5 wr room needs to work too. This team will struggle to ever have a comfortable win until we get a real qb in here that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Just my opinion. No I'm not letting the interior line off the hook either. There is no such thing as a QB that doesn't crap his pants under pressure. Tom Brady did it. And he's the GOAT False. Brady processed and got rid of the ball quickly usually. He could also maneuver and climb the pocket. Cousins has zero feel for those things but nice try. 19-0 going into the superbowl and he got totally flustered by the relentless pass rush the Giants sent against him that day. NOT FALSE. Well of course ANY qb CAN get rattled. To even compare Brady to Cousins is laughable though. I didn't compare them. I said any QB craps his pants under pressure and provided an example. I think many QBs handle pressure better than others. Cousins gets skiddish in a hurry. Just my opinion though.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:40:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J re: My comment was more about the Lions being better than some dismissive posters were saying. I don't remember too many posters dismissing the Lions. I remember some who were convinced KC wins that game if #19 wasnt on the field. And a lot that want to crown their asses after coming away with a win against KC - not sure all of those watched the game. There is no doubt which team ought to feel better about themselves this Monday morning, though. No doubt. And that's what sucks. The good vibes and so much of the hope has clearly been sucked out of us after the first game. heavy sigh Comments like ‘I’m not worried about the Lions’ to the usual beat down excuses for a non-vikings team winning … which would have been reversed for us, guaranteeing super bowl success and a 20 year extension for Cousins - if we had beat the Chiefs instead of the Lions. Nobody crowned the Lions with anything except winning a tough away game. Well, except for Marty who did crown the Lions north division champs after game but that works heavily against Detroit’s chances. As far as I can tell, the universe leaps sideways in desperation from any Marty prediction. We’re going to play KC shortly. Hope we play as well or better than the Lions did. In fact, I just hope we improve on how we played against the Bucs.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:50:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Tom Sykes quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J re: My comment was more about the Lions being better than some dismissive posters were saying. I don't remember too many posters dismissing the Lions. I remember some who were convinced KC wins that game if #19 wasnt on the field. And a lot that want to crown their asses after coming away with a win against KC - not sure all of those watched the game. There is no doubt which team ought to feel better about themselves this Monday morning, though. No doubt. And that's what sucks. The good vibes and so much of the hope has clearly been sucked out of us after the first game. heavy sigh Comments like ‘I’m not worried about the Lions’ to the usual beat down excuses for a non-vikings team winning … which would have been reversed for us, guaranteeing super bowl success and a 20 year extension for Cousins - if we had beat the Chiefs instead of the Lions. Nobody crowned the Lions with anything except winning a tough away game. Well, except for Marty who did crown the Lions north division champs after game but that works heavily against Detroit’s chances. As far as I can tell, the universe leaps sideways in desperation from any Marty prediction. We’re going to play KC shortly. Hope we play as well or better than the Lions did. In fact, I just hope we improve on how we played against the Bucs. Marty may have ruined the Lions season. You're not wrong about that. [&:]

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:54:29 AM)
The Vikings were 11-0 in one-score games last season. If that comes down to .500 or close to it, they will win about eight games. Last year was a complete fraud. It's still a bad defense and the offense still has Kirk Cousins under center. IMO, Kevin O'Connell still has a long ways to go before proving he is a legit NFL coach. I loved his ability to win close games last season. Outside of that, he has a long ways to go before being inducted into Canton. In fairness, it's not O'Connell's fault he has been stuck with Cousins. It's a 50-pound weight around his neck.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 9:55:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The Vikings were 11-0 in one-score games last season. If that comes down to .500 or close to it, they will win about eight games. Last year was a complete fraud. It's still a bad defense and the offense still has Kirk Cousins under center. I was thinking 9 wins. However if we get routed in Philly it may be more like 5 or 6.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:22:22 AM)
First drive, 3 plays, 3 yards. Second to last drive, 3 plays, 3 yards. Last drive, 3 plays, 3 yards.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:25:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen First drive, 3 plays, 3 yards. Second to last drive, 3 plays, 3 yards. Last drive, 3 plays, 3 yards. Those are Cousins specials.

Karl Juhnke -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:33:52 AM)
Eh, I'm not that upset or surprised by the first game. I'm not going to overreact either. They played like a team that could be capable of winning 10ish games but just had some bad breaks. Without the turnovers, we win something like 24-13, everybody is all duckies and bunnies, praising Addison's TD, JJ's 9 and 150, and BFlo's defense looking improved. They could still win 10, and 10 could still win the division. Detroit looked good vs KC but I'm not a true believer yet. Nor am I on the GB Love train yet. No, another season of winning a weak division and being outmatched in the playoffs isn't the most exciting prospect in the world, but it's what I expected.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:35:37 AM)
The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:39:25 AM)
I love how the KFC Stan’s are saying throwing into tight double coverage in the end zone/ goal line “ was not all on “KFC.. It was. Period. His leadership at home under pressure, was on full display.. Two fumbles and a pick… QBOTFOREVER! GOAT! But in reality.. 0-1 is on him.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:40:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young I love how the KFC Stan’s are saying throwing into tight double coverage in the end zone/ goal line “ was not all on “KFC.. It was. Period. His leadership at home under pressure, was on full display.. Two fumbles and a pick… QBOTFOREVER! GOAT! But in reality.. 0-1 is on him. Was KC first loss on Mahomes? His WR also gave a DB an INT. I would put it on the whole team and coaching staff TBH.

Daniel Lee Young -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:41:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early. Addition by subtraction.. Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..…

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:44:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early. Addition by subtraction.. Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..… Maybe we need the season to be a disaster. Then we could move on from Cousins, pick a franchise qb and have some decent spots to pick interior line.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:45:02 AM)
Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO. Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by: A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put? I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times. Ingram still in there Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...) Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

jbusse -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:46:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H The Vikings were 11-0 in one-score games last season. If that comes down to .500 or close to it, they will win about eight games. Last year was a complete fraud. It's still a bad defense and the offense still has Kirk Cousins under center. IMO, Kevin O'Connell still has a long ways to go before proving he is a legit NFL coach. I loved his ability to win close games last season. Outside of that, he has a long ways to go before being inducted into Canton. In fairness, it's not O'Connell's fault he has been stuck with Cousins. It's a 50-pound weight around his neck. Not O’Connell’s fault he’s stuck with Cousins? Check the timeline on Cousins’ March 2022 contract extension, a month after O’Connell was hired. In your mind Kwesi overruled O’Connell, despite repeatedly emphasizing their collaborative decision making process.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/11/2023 10:47:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO. Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by: A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put? I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times. Ingram still in there Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...) Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky. Great post Jeff. Ingram still being in there just blows my mind. I was hoping to be done with the whole "you only lose your starting spot due to injury" garbage. If someone is stinking it up try someone else!!! Obviously Ingram is not a gamer regardless of what he's doing in practice.

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