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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

I love how the KFC Stan’s are saying throwing into tight double coverage in the end zone/ goal line “ was not all on “KFC..

It was.

Period.
His leadership at home under pressure, was on full display..

Two fumbles and a pick…

QBOTFOREVER!

GOAT!

But in reality..

0-1 is on him.

Was KC first loss on Mahomes? His WR also gave a DB an INT.

I would put it on the whole team and coaching staff TBH.

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early.

Addition by subtraction..

Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..…

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early.

Addition by subtraction..

Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..…

Another gem of a decision from KAM. Underperforming C, who has back troubles, "give him an extension!!". F'n brilliant move [:-]

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO.


Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by:

A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put?

I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times.

Ingram still in there
Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads
Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...)
Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments
Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt

IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

Great post Jeff. Ingram still being in there just blows my mind. I was hoping to be done with the whole "you only lose your starting spot due to injury" garbage. If someone is stinking it up try someone else!!! Obviously Ingram is not a gamer regardless of what he's doing in practice.

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Cousins may be the least mobile quarterback in the NFL. He looked very rusty as did the entire team. I'm not a fan of not playing any starters in the preseason. They played a sloppy game, the play calling was terrible...what's with all the screens to Ham and Hockenson? Doesn't make sense to run those plays to your slowest receivers. In fact, Ham seems like a wasted roster spot to me.

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO.


Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by:

A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put?

I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times.

Ingram still in there
Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads
Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...)
Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments
Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt

IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

Great post Jeff. Ingram still being in there just blows my mind. I was hoping to be done with the whole "you only lose your starting spot due to injury" garbage. If someone is stinking it up try someone else!!! Obviously Ingram is not a gamer regardless of what he's doing in practice.

Thanks Richard. To highlight the point we're making on Ingram. He doesn't even shine in practice. I'm not there but how do I know? Who was the one guy that got bit preseason game minutes on the OLine? They knew and went that direction anyway. Hell, I'm not deflecting blame on KC's but the guy was blasted on his first 2 pass attempts of the season. One was directly on Mattison but still. No wonder he gets flustered.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO.


Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by:

A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put?

I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times.

Ingram still in there
Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads
Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...)
Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments
Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt

IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

Great post Jeff. Ingram still being in there just blows my mind. I was hoping to be done with the whole "you only lose your starting spot due to injury" garbage. If someone is stinking it up try someone else!!! Obviously Ingram is not a gamer regardless of what he's doing in practice.

Thanks Richard. To highlight the point we're making on Ingram. He doesn't even shine in practice. I'm not there but how do I know? Who was the one guy that got bit preseason game minutes on the OLine? They knew and went that direction anyway. Hell, I'm not deflecting blame on KC's but the guy was blasted on his first 2 pass attempts of the season. One was directly on Mattison but still. No wonder he gets flustered.

Has anyone here considered they are waiting until after week one to make a move as that contract doesn't have to be guaranteed?

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early.

Addition by subtraction..

Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..…

Maybe we need the season to be a disaster. Then we could move on from Cousins, pick a franchise qb and have some decent spots to pick interior line.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early.

Addition by subtraction..

Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..…

Maybe we need the season to be a disaster. Then we could move on from Cousins, pick a franchise qb and have some decent spots to pick interior line.

The last time we tried to pick a Franchilse QB, we got Christian Ponder.

Let's hope the next time we do better.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

Did you see the looks he was giving Cousins and him on the bench? If we get much more of what we got week 1 he will demand a trade.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Daniel Lee Young

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer

The worst thing to come out of the game---sounds like Bradbury is out for a while if not the whole year. He messed up his back pretty bad early.

Addition by subtraction..

Vikings need to injury settle and cut his ass and bring in a center from..FN anywhere else..…

Maybe we need the season to be a disaster. Then we could move on from Cousins, pick a franchise qb and have some decent spots to pick interior line.

The last time we tried to pick a Franchilse QB, we got Christian Ponder.

Let's hope the next time we do better.

The alternative is paying big contracts to guys other teams don't want.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO.


Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by:

A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put?

I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times.

Ingram still in there
Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads
Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...)
Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments
Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt

IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

Great post Jeff. Ingram still being in there just blows my mind. I was hoping to be done with the whole "you only lose your starting spot due to injury" garbage. If someone is stinking it up try someone else!!! Obviously Ingram is not a gamer regardless of what he's doing in practice.

Thanks Richard. To highlight the point we're making on Ingram. He doesn't even shine in practice. I'm not there but how do I know? Who was the one guy that got bit preseason game minutes on the OLine? They knew and went that direction anyway. Hell, I'm not deflecting blame on KC's but the guy was blasted on his first 2 pass attempts of the season. One was directly on Mattison but still. No wonder he gets flustered.

Has anyone here considered they are waiting until after week one to make a move as that contract doesn't have to be guaranteed?

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

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ORIGINAL: Kurt B

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO.


Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by:

A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put?

I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times.

Ingram still in there
Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads
Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...)
Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments
Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt

IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

Great post Jeff. Ingram still being in there just blows my mind. I was hoping to be done with the whole "you only lose your starting spot due to injury" garbage. If someone is stinking it up try someone else!!! Obviously Ingram is not a gamer regardless of what he's doing in practice.

Thanks Richard. To highlight the point we're making on Ingram. He doesn't even shine in practice. I'm not there but how do I know? Who was the one guy that got bit preseason game minutes on the OLine? They knew and went that direction anyway. Hell, I'm not deflecting blame on KC's but the guy was blasted on his first 2 pass attempts of the season. One was directly on Mattison but still. No wonder he gets flustered.

Has anyone here considered they are waiting until after week one to make a move as that contract doesn't have to be guaranteed?

Yes we spoke of this a week ago. (Risner- Non guaranteed after first game)

Well here it is, and he’s still there, BTW Risner is still out there for a reason, and he may totally suck as well.

However we cannot continue the Ingraham project any longer.

Jeff said exactly what I was going to say.

Throw in Kwesi’s borderline horrific drafting to this point, you bet he should be spotlighted..

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

Everyone is saying the same thing but in different ways (blame) IMO.


Yes, KC's is easy to blame. He has flaws that are visible from the naked eye from Saturn. That said they were heightened by:

A terrible interior OLine that was not upgraded at all. That's on KAM and KOC. They had a whole year to evaluate and decided to roll it back. Just pure stupidity on thier part. They knew it too or else why bring in Reisner for an "interview" as it was put?

I'm officially done with KAM and am on the brink with KOC. His playcalling was atrocious at times.

Ingram still in there
Slow developing plays with multiple "fake reverses" as the interior is getting blown to shreads
Screen plays to a FB (that they extended btw - great call there...)
Making no 2nd half adjustments. JJ had 120 in the first half and 30 in the 2nd? TB sure made some adjustments
Taking a TO on a 57 yard FG attempt

IMO, it's the exact same team as last year but we won't be so lucky.

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

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ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

If they keep playing the way they did this week they may not have to trade much.

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser

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ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott

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ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson

Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not.

I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB.

Wow

We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing.

He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be.

JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't?

In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic.

I would rather we find another way to secure a top pick, and have a superstud like JJ HERE for them to throw to and gain confidence earlier in their career.

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ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer



9/150....wth are you talking about? JJ made plays all over the field against a top secondary. Do you even know what you are saying?

Then they moved coverage to JJ and Addison and KJ made plays....that is the way it works.