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Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 9:40:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 9:47:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool. I wouldn't say Woody looks bad, you can't do anything about injuries. If Rodgers played and stunk, then I would agree.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 9:56:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool. I wouldn't say Woody looks bad, you can't do anything about injuries. If Rodgers played and stunk, then I would agree. He spent a mountain of money on a 39-year old quarterback and a running back on his last leg. Injuries happen, but it had to be a concern going into the deal. Otherwise, sign Joe Montana. It's a young man's game. My hunch is, we may have seen Rodgers' last snap in the NFL.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 9:56:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool. I wouldn't say Woody looks bad, you can't do anything about injuries. If Rodgers played and stunk, then I would agree. Signing Dalvin was really dumb. They have 2 much better backs already on the roster.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 9:57:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool. I wouldn't say Woody looks bad, you can't do anything about injuries. If Rodgers played and stunk, then I would agree. This would be a perfect moment in time to know if we replayed it with Rogers do they need the punt return to win? What's up Buffalo? Are you any good or what?

Lars -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:02:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool. I wouldn't say Woody looks bad, you can't do anything about injuries. If Rodgers played and stunk, then I would agree. He spent a mountain of money on a 39-year old quarterback and a running back on his last leg. Injuries happen, but it had to be a concern going into the deal. Otherwise, sign Joe Montana. It's a young man's game. My hunch is, we may have seen Rodgers' last snap in the NFL. BINGO!

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:08:32 AM)
Favorites that lost: - Bills - Bears - Seahawks - Chiefs - Bengals - Vikings - Chargers - Broncos

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:10:43 AM)
Aging QBs will prob make millions they wouldn't otherwise if not for Tom Brady

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:14:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Amazing how much money the Jets spent for nothing in a matter of three months. The best weapons they have starting today are the same ones they had six months ago, despite spending a mountain of money. Once again Woody Johnson looks like a fool. I wouldn't say Woody looks bad, you can't do anything about injuries. If Rodgers played and stunk, then I would agree. Signing Dalvin was really dumb. They have 2 much better backs already on the roster. Cook was an overpriced bridge until Hall is completely healthy again. Nothing more.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:15:01 AM)
There was some horrific quarterback play this weekend. Ryan Tannehill looked like he had never played the game before. Joe Burrow made a million dollars per first down.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:15:11 AM)
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 14m An MRI confirmed today that Aaron Rodgers officially tore his Achilles on the fourth play of his Jets’ career. Rodgers’ season now, officially, is over. There already are questions about whether his Hall-of-Fame career is, too.

Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:17:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not. I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB. Wow We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing. He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be. JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't? JJ is absolutely an established talent. No argument here. He's the best player on the team. No argument here. While I"m just speculating, I don't think he'd be real happy being franchised, but that decision doesn't need to be made right now. I agree that you don't trade him unless you get a king's ransom. He's basically here for the next two years unless you franchise him. Which QB will be throwing him passes in the next two years? Can this team win the Super Bowl in the next two years? Personally, that doesn't seem likely. Which posiiton is more important...receiver or QB? So, at the end of this year you take a look at where you're drafting. Obviously, that'll depend on the record this year. If you're drafting too low, then you've no shot at one of the top QB's. ONE way to move up in the draft is to trade JJ for a King's ransom. It would really hurt to lose him, but are we trying to win the Super Bowl or just enjoy Sunday afternoons watching him tear up the league? This last game is sort of an example. He had around 150 yards receiving but the team lost. He's not to blame. I"m open to any idea that brings an excellent, top tier QB to this team. No to Cousins. So, if it's not Cousins, then how do we acquire the best possible player at the most important posiiton?

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:21:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H There was some horrific quarterback play this weekend. Ryan Tannehill looked like he had never played the game before. Joe Burrow made a million dollars per first down. 3 preseason games with no starters playing. Seems pretty stupid to me (probably bc I'm not the one making the billions)

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:23:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter · 14m An MRI confirmed today that Aaron Rodgers officially tore his Achilles on the fourth play of his Jets’ career. Rodgers’ season now, officially, is over. There already are questions about whether his Hall-of-Fame career is, too. Is Adam getting it right this time?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:23:27 AM)
I don't like saying this. But I am convinced the Vikings are going to re-sign Kirk Cousins after this season. They have no viable option to take the reigns in house. There are really no QBs in the draft that are NFL ready and we will likely draft too low to get one anyway. We will not want to get into a bidding war for whatever FA may be available...and I don't think there is one worth getting into a bidding war anyway. and overpaying some other FA will probably make it impossible to also sign JJ and Darrisaw to extensions. The tea leaves, tarot cards, the stars are aligning and it all points to a couple/few more years of Kirk Cousins. Unless the front office gives in and totally blows it up for a full on rebuild, our 2024 QB will be Kirk Cousins. I really am not thrilled at all with this revelation...but I just can't see who else we could get that would be ready I am not happy about it or hopeful for it. JUST MY OPINION

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:24:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H There was some horrific quarterback play this weekend. Ryan Tannehill looked like he had never played the game before. Joe Burrow made a million dollars per first down. 3 preseason games with no starters playing. Seems pretty stupid to me (probably bc I'm not the one making the billions) Burrow wasn't going to play even if starters did. He was recovering from a calf injury. May not have been fully recovered even.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:25:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson I"m open to any idea that brings an excellent, top tier QB to this team. No to Cousins. So, if it's not Cousins, then how do we acquire the best possible player at the most important posiiton? Who are those options. All the good ones have signed big extentions. Burrow, Mahomes, Allen, Herbert.... Who will be available?

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:26:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Brad H There was some horrific quarterback play this weekend. Ryan Tannehill looked like he had never played the game before. Joe Burrow made a million dollars per first down. 3 preseason games with no starters playing. Seems pretty stupid to me (probably bc I'm not the one making the billions) Agree entirely. At some point the guys should be playing in the preseason. It's become a trend to see bad football in the first two weeks of the season.

ronhextall -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:27:28 AM)
I would trade JJ in a second for the #1 Overall Pick. Of course the #1 overall pick would also need a lot more than that. The likelihood of the team owning the #1 Overall Pick having no need for Caleb Williams is very low. Essentially you need Mahomes or Burrow to have a season ending injury and have a worst record in the NFL.

Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:29:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not. I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB. Wow We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing. He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be. JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't? In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic. I would rather we find another way to secure a top pick, and have a superstud like JJ HERE for them to throw to and gain confidence earlier in their career. I agree that I'd rather find another way, but the problem is there are not a lot of alternatives. A terrible record this year would allow the team to draft in the top 5. This season would suck but at least we'd have the draft to look forward to. That's one possible alternative. Re-sign Cousins...that's another way, but he's failed to get to the Super Bowl so that doesn't seem like a good move. Bring in a free agent...have to pay him which reduces the ability to sign other top players, including JJ. Give up multiple No. 1 picks in future years to move up. Well, that's an option but this team lacks the talent/depth to go without future 1st round picks. Trade a top player to acquire multiple No. 1 picks into the future...that's the "JJ Option". There may be other options, but one thing I"m certain about and that is it's WAY PAST TIME for drafting a true star at the position.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:33:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ratoppenheimer . . Among the reported details in the trade, the Jets received Rodgers, a 2023 first-rounder that became DE Will McDonald IV and a 2023 fifth-rounder that was traded. The Packers received a 2023 first-rounder (DE Lukas Van Ness), a 2023 second-rounder (TE Luke Musgrave) and a 2023 sixth-rounder (K Anders Carlson). Green Bay will also receive a 2024 conditional second-round pick, but that can bump to a first-rounder if Rodgers plays 65% of snaps this year. So, the Packers may have already received their compensation from the Jets for the four-time league MVP and Super Bowl winner. How each of their three 2023 picks fare in the future will determine who really won the trade. ? Except for the 2024 1st or 2nd rounder.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:33:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not. I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB. Wow We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing. He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be. JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't? In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic. I would rather we find another way to secure a top pick, and have a superstud like JJ HERE for them to throw to and gain confidence earlier in their career. I agree that I'd rather find another way, but the problem is there are not a lot of alternatives. A terrible record this year would allow the team to draft in the top 5. This season would suck but at least we'd have the draft to look forward to. That's one possible alternative. Re-sign Cousins...that's another way, but he's failed to get to the Super Bowl so that doesn't seem like a good move. Bring in a free agent...have to pay him which reduces the ability to sign other top players, including JJ. Give up multiple No. 1 picks in future years to move up. Well, that's an option but this team lacks the talent/depth to go without future 1st round picks. Trade a top player to acquire multiple No. 1 picks into the future...that's the "JJ Option". There may be other options, but one thing I"m certain about and that is it's WAY PAST TIME for drafting a true star at the position. I am of the belief that we should be drafting a QB EVERY YEAR. Sometimes high, sometimes low, but always drafting a guy and trying to develope them. Maybe you get lucky and find another Tom Brady in the 6th round or Brock Purdy in the 7th, but the more you draft at the most important position on the field the better chance you have to find the gem. the diamond in the rough. the longterm leader you've needed for nearly two decades.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:34:57 AM)
If the Vikings keep Kirk next year that will free up my weekends nicely. In fact they're probably going to free up here shortly.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:35:47 AM)
This cracks me up. Replies to a vid of Kirk flipping out over the KJ pass that ended up an interception. Please tell me no one here thinks this way: -Kirk should have either audibled out of the pass to KJ, with that safety cheating that way -KJ shoulda had it but it was bad placement as well. Equal fault -Bad decision on his part -Don’t like the play? Change it. -Who’s he mad at ? Himself for taking such an unnecessary risk ? -Cousins should have been mad at himself for throwing into double coverage. -He lacks accountability -Blaming? No Kirk... You're a veteran. Shouldn't have thrown that. That's why you get paid the big bucks. Can't stand him -

Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:42:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: beo quote: ORIGINAL: ronhextall If you want to trade JJ for a shot at moving to the top spot for Caleb Williams I think you will need Mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, or Lawerence to blow their knee out very soon and have an awful year. Outside of those 4 guys I think anybody else would keep the pick and draft Williams I think yesterday was a must win (as silly as it sounds). Detroit beats KC and Vikings lose to Tampa is a 2 game flip from what I assumed would happen. Williams won't be the only QB in the draft next year that could turn out to be very good. Early returns are that it is a very talented college group of QBs this year. When I'm watching college football this year I'm looking at QB, interior offensive linemen and interior defensive linemen...especially nose tackle if we stay with the 3-4 defense which I don't really like all that much. Phillips is just a guy...he'd be a good backup rather than a starter.

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