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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:49:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J This cracks me up. Replies to a vid of Kirk flipping out over the KJ pass that ended up an interception. Please tell me no one here thinks this way: -Kirk should have either audibled out of the pass to KJ, with that safety cheating that way -KJ shoulda had it but it was bad placement as well. Equal fault -Bad decision on his part -Don’t like the play? Change it. -Who’s he mad at ? Himself for taking such an unnecessary risk ? -Cousins should have been mad at himself for throwing into double coverage. -He lacks accountability -Blaming? No Kirk... You're a veteran. Shouldn't have thrown that. That's why you get paid the big bucks. Can't stand him - Right decision ... a little late, not good placement ... but more than anything, good play by Izien to take the ball from Osborn.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:51:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson Hi Talkvikes crew. Thought I'd chime in some this year. Hope that's okay! Yes, you could end up with a Mahomes or a Mayfield. Does that mean you don't draft a QB high in the first round? Of course not. The question seems to be should the team trade JJ to acquire picks and take a shot at one of the top QB's next draft? JJ is the most gifted receiver in the NFL, no question. He'll cost a fortune to sign to his next contract. We've had Moss, Carter, Diggs and now Jefferson to name a few of the standout receivers the team has had. Zero Super Bowl appearances with any of them. Their fault? No, of course not. I'd trade JJ at the end of the season IF I determined that the overall talent on the roster is not capable of making it to the Super Bowl. Having the best receiver in the NFL doesn't matter if the team overall isn't good enough to make it to the Super Bowl. Bottom line...would you rather have the best receiver in football or a true star at QB? Giving up JJ would be a very hard decision. Obviously, you could screw up the draft and get another Ponder, but you could also get the next great QB. Wow We lost ONE game and now the calls to trade JJ are surfacing. He is one of the top 5 players in the NFL. You don't trade talent like that unless you get a king's ransom. You don't actively shop them either. You build around them. He is ESTABLISHED talent. He has ESTABLISHED himself as one of the best in the game. You don't trade them for the crapshoot that a draftpick can be. JJ is here at least the next few years. This year. Next year on 5th year option and then we can franchise him two more years after that. Why on Earth would anybody actively shop him unless he is totally disgruntled, which he isn't? In fairness the question of trading JJ for multiple #1's has been around for a while. The idea is give Hou/AZ (or whomever) multiple 1's to get the #1 overall and taking William's. I'm not advocating it but I see the logic. I would rather we find another way to secure a top pick, and have a superstud like JJ HERE for them to throw to and gain confidence earlier in their career. I agree that I'd rather find another way, but the problem is there are not a lot of alternatives. A terrible record this year would allow the team to draft in the top 5. This season would suck but at least we'd have the draft to look forward to. That's one possible alternative. Re-sign Cousins...that's another way, but he's failed to get to the Super Bowl so that doesn't seem like a good move. Bring in a free agent...have to pay him which reduces the ability to sign other top players, including JJ. Give up multiple No. 1 picks in future years to move up. Well, that's an option but this team lacks the talent/depth to go without future 1st round picks. Trade a top player to acquire multiple No. 1 picks into the future...that's the "JJ Option". There may be other options, but one thing I"m certain about and that is it's WAY PAST TIME for drafting a true star at the position. Agree in that there are next to no legit ways to move up high in the draft. As you said, we need our future picks. The only talent that moves the needle is JJ and Darrisaw. Although I'm a bit concerned about Darrisaw's concussions, I'd keep him over JJ. We are going to need cap as well to help with trying to infuse talent on this roster. JJ at $30-35 million per seems out of whack since we are not contending. I can see us picking in the 12-20 range, and there could be five QB options. We might not have to give up that much to move up to get a QB.

Mark C. Johnson -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:54:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 10:59:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott I don't like saying this. . . . The tea leaves, tarot cards, the stars are aligning and it all points to a couple/few more years of Kirk Cousins. . . If Bill's right, there's no way we are signing Cousins again. If he's wrong, then maybe your tarot cards are right. But wrong would prob be at least getting to the NFCCG. jmo

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:02:13 AM)
I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:04:46 AM)
This is the result of a 'competitive rebuild'. A team constantly in flux. No real draft or cap resources because you are keeping and paying players instead of offloading them for picks and you are picking lower. It's 2-3 years of shaking off the deadwood and seeing what you have. Because of the delay in getting rid of expensive contracts last year, IMO it will be at least a year from now before we have reset and barely surfaced above the water line. Then we hopefully make the successful multi-year uphill trek towards being a real contending team.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:05:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:05:22 AM)
Also, JMO, but KC's market is completely dried up. What leverage does he have? Rumblings about SF wanting him have gone by the wayside now that Purdy has taken over that team. Who else? It's not my hope but they may be able to resign him at a big discount for 2 year. TBH though, nothing else matters until they fix the IOL.

Jeff Jesser -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:06:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings Sadly, I agree (and I hope I'm wrong about him).

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:08:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:09:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser Also, JMO, but KC's market is completely dried up. What leverage does he have? Rumblings about SF wanting him have gone by the wayside now that Purdy has taken over that team. Who else? It's not my hope but they may be able to resign him at a big discount for 2 year. TBH though, nothing else matters until they fix the IOL. Yep. I really think Cousins is back next year.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:12:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:14:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:15:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:19:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:20:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Every team has issues......Kwesi and KOC were 13-4 last year. I would take that every year. Kwesi isn't out of his element; he was the right hand man for SF and Cleveland. New regime; Spielmans issue with building a line isn't KOC or Kwesi. Almost like you want a 4-12 team.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:20:39 AM)
Here's the thing about a rebuild, no matter what you want to call it. To turn things around, all the band aids have to come off. This team still has bandages of various shapes and sizes. Other wounds are fully exposed. The forecast calls for pain.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:21:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:23:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job!

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:24:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer New regime; Spielmans issue with building a line isn't KOC or Kwesi. Almost like you want a 4-12 team. In fairness. Kwesi hasn't done much to build the line since he arrived either. He's drafted Ed Ingram....woof He re-signed Garrett Bradbury....EEK. He drafted and traded Vaderion Lowe... He Kept the turnstyle Oli Udoh. I wouldn't really used the Offensive line to defend Kwesi. and Spielman did draft both O'Neill and Darrisaw

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:25:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Every team has issues......Kwesi and KOC were 13-4 last year. I would take that every year. Kwesi isn't out of his element; he was the right hand man for SF and Cleveland. New regime; Spielmans issue with building a line isn't KOC or Kwesi. Almost like you want a 4-12 team. All they're doing is delaying the inevitable. Nobody wants a 4-13 team.

Brad H -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:26:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen Here's the thing about a rebuild, no matter what you want to call it. To turn things around, all the band aids have to come off. This team still has bandages of various shapes and sizes. Other wounds are fully exposed. The forecast calls for pain. Lol

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:28:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. The longer Zimmer & Spielman have been gone, the more you post about them. And now it's about how bad they were when for years you endlessly defended that regime's decisions.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:29:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on. What can't you comprehend from "I didn't see..."

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:29:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. I mean the entire 2023 draft class has has exactly one game of opportunity and you've declared them usesless. Short rope from you eh?

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