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Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:30:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. The Jets already traded away their sanity for Rogers. Cousins no trade clause and our demand for anything in return is a deal killer.

Tom Sykes -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:30:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. nice.

Ricky J -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:31:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Not to mention their fans [;)]

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:31:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on. What can't you comprehend from "I didn't see..." You're making a pretty strong judgement based on what you did see. And I did see him talking with JJ at one point. You are making a pretty strong judgement based on an unverifiable assumption. I comprehend very well. You judge unfairly in my opinion based solely on the limited video you saw which probably covered less than 30 seconds of the time he was on the sidelines.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:31:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time?

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:32:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Ricky J quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Not to mention their fans [;)] So I'm responsible for 60 years of not getting it done? 🤔

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:34:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. Labeling Smith as a team HOFer means nothing. He's an aged former top S who is at the end of his career.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:35:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. The longer Zimmer & Spielman have been gone, the more you post about them. And now it's about how bad they were when for years you endlessly defended that regime's decisions. I did look back to last year; you were positive on the 2022 season. My bad. It wasn't so long ago they were in charge.....I didn't always defend their decisions....I hated Barr, Rudolph, Smith resignings. I hated Hicks restructure, Ham and Bradburry resignings by this regime. I also hated the Reagor trade. Wasn't sure of Kwesi's moves in the 2022 draft but I think he and KOC communicate better with the players and seem to have a plan and it was a 180 from Zimmer/Spielman relationship at the end. As most Vikings fans I hope they make the right moves.....

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:36:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time? Sounds like the Phil mentality: he starts so therefore he is part of a successful draft.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:37:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. The longer Zimmer & Spielman have been gone, the more you post about them. And now it's about how bad they were when for years you endlessly defended that regime's decisions. I did look back to last year; you were positive on the 2022 season. My bad. It wasn't so long ago they were in charge.....I didn't always defend their decisions....I hated Barr, Rudolph, Smith resignings. I hated Hicks restructure, Ham and Bradburry resignings by this regime. Wasn't sure of Kwesi's moves in the 2022 draft but I think he and KOC communicate better with the players and seem to have a plan and it was a 180 from Zimmer/Spielman relationship at the end. I wonder what the plan is? Turn Hock into a 5 ypc guy?

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:38:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time? You think he's looked useless in his playing time? He seems to stick to his guy pretty well. You've declared an entire draft class of 2023 useless when they've had all of one game to play thusfar. Using that standard, JJ was useless since he didn't play his first two games. And in that one game Blackmon had a pass breakup. Addison caught a couple passes and scored a TD. I am willing to bet most teams would be happy with that production out of their rookie class. and Kwesi did nab the steal of the undrafted class in Ivan Pace Jr. He was our second leading tackler on Sunday.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:39:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time? Sounds like the Phil mentality: he starts so therefore he is part of a successful draft. And the Richad and Bill mentality is if he isn't a stud after one game, he's useless. I believe i am somewhere in between.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:40:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on. What can't you comprehend from "I didn't see..." You're making a pretty strong judgement based on what you did see. And I did see him talking with JJ at one point. You are making a pretty strong judgement based on an unverifiable assumption. I comprehend very well. You judge unfairly in my opinion based solely on the limited video you saw which probably covered less than 30 seconds of the time he was on the sidelines. Yeah I guess when the camera was not on him at the end of the bench by himself, he walking the sidelines inspiring his teammates, conferring with KOC, and even chuckling about a couple of things to try to show he wasn't really mentally isolated. Right. Got it.

Kurt B -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:40:53 AM)
Vikes restructure O’Neill.. Gotta be something coming

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:40:56 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. Labeling Smith as a team HOFer means nothing. He's an aged former top S who is at the end of his career. He's still the best Safety on the field most games.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:41:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on. What can't you comprehend from "I didn't see..." You're making a pretty strong judgement based on what you did see. And I did see him talking with JJ at one point. You are making a pretty strong judgement based on an unverifiable assumption. I comprehend very well. You judge unfairly in my opinion based solely on the limited video you saw which probably covered less than 30 seconds of the time he was on the sidelines. Yeah I guess when the camera was not on him at the end of the bench by himself, he walking the sidelines inspiring his teammates, conferring with KOC, and even chuckling about a couple of things to try to show he wasn't really mentally isolated. Right. Got it. You have NO IDEA. You are INDEED GUESSING.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:43:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. The longer Zimmer & Spielman have been gone, the more you post about them. And now it's about how bad they were when for years you endlessly defended that regime's decisions. I did look back to last year; you were positive on the 2022 season. My bad. It wasn't so long ago they were in charge.....I didn't always defend their decisions....I hated Barr, Rudolph, Smith resignings. I hated Hicks restructure, Ham and Bradburry resignings by this regime. Wasn't sure of Kwesi's moves in the 2022 draft but I think he and KOC communicate better with the players and seem to have a plan and it was a 180 from Zimmer/Spielman relationship at the end. I wonder what the plan is? Turn Hock into a 5 ypc guy? Oh sure. Kwesi wrote the playbook and calls the plays.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:44:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time? Sounds like the Phil mentality: he starts so therefore he is part of a successful draft. And the Richad and Bill mentality is if he isn't a stud after one game, he's useless. I believe i am somewhere in between. Hmmm, I don't recall using the term useless. But because you were challenged, you are getting defensive. The "Let's wait" game. Check back in three years on Cine, Booth, and Ingram. Maybe extend them cause, you know, some players need more time to develop than others.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:46:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time? Sounds like the Phil mentality: he starts so therefore he is part of a successful draft. And the Richad and Bill mentality is if he isn't a stud after one game, he's useless. I believe i am somewhere in between. His draft last year was awful! This year Addison looks good but everyone else hasn't shown much. I liked Blackmon last week. At least I saw him. 2 drafts in and the interior line is crap still. Early returns are not good.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:46:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on. What can't you comprehend from "I didn't see..." You're making a pretty strong judgement based on what you did see. And I did see him talking with JJ at one point. You are making a pretty strong judgement based on an unverifiable assumption. I comprehend very well. You judge unfairly in my opinion based solely on the limited video you saw which probably covered less than 30 seconds of the time he was on the sidelines. Yeah I guess when the camera was not on him at the end of the bench by himself, he walking the sidelines inspiring his teammates, conferring with KOC, and even chuckling about a couple of things to try to show he wasn't really mentally isolated. Right. Got it. You have NO IDEA. You are INDEED GUESSING. And so are YOU! Clearly, his time on the camera supports my assertion and not yours. Deal with it.

Richard Neussendorfer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:47:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. The longer Zimmer & Spielman have been gone, the more you post about them. And now it's about how bad they were when for years you endlessly defended that regime's decisions. I did look back to last year; you were positive on the 2022 season. My bad. It wasn't so long ago they were in charge.....I didn't always defend their decisions....I hated Barr, Rudolph, Smith resignings. I hated Hicks restructure, Ham and Bradburry resignings by this regime. Wasn't sure of Kwesi's moves in the 2022 draft but I think he and KOC communicate better with the players and seem to have a plan and it was a 180 from Zimmer/Spielman relationship at the end. I wonder what the plan is? Turn Hock into a 5 ypc guy? Oh sure. Kwesi wrote the playbook and calls the plays. He mentioned KOC in that post.

Bill Johanesen -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:47:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. Labeling Smith as a team HOFer means nothing. He's an aged former top S who is at the end of his career. He's still the best Safety on the field most games. Just for the Vikings, as it's easy to climb to the top of a trash heap.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:48:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Mark C. Johnson quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer Too bad we can't trade Cousins to the Jets Now, that's not a terrible idea. It would be giving up on this season, but we'd be able to stockpile draft picks which, in my opinion, are more valuable than Cousins at this point. Way better to get something rather than nothing for him. It's not giving up on the season as much as believing the season is going to go bad anyway. Bit of a difference. If the thinking is we should be able to sniff the playoffs, then that would be giving up. I didn't expect a lot out of the D, but it let Baker Mayfield build confidence to the point he was laughing and making plays at will to win the game. Meanwhile, I didn't see Cousins interact once with a player. He sat on the edge of the bench by himself, although sometimes with an assistant yapping with his iPad. Because you have video of him for the entire time on the sidelines for the whole game to make this assessment? Come on. What can't you comprehend from "I didn't see..." You're making a pretty strong judgement based on what you did see. And I did see him talking with JJ at one point. You are making a pretty strong judgement based on an unverifiable assumption. I comprehend very well. You judge unfairly in my opinion based solely on the limited video you saw which probably covered less than 30 seconds of the time he was on the sidelines. Yeah I guess when the camera was not on him at the end of the bench by himself, he walking the sidelines inspiring his teammates, conferring with KOC, and even chuckling about a couple of things to try to show he wasn't really mentally isolated. Right. Got it. You have NO IDEA. You are INDEED GUESSING. And so are YOU! Clearly, his time on the camera supports my assertion and not yours. Deal with it. Of course I am. I can at least admit that. You can't seem to get that you are making an assertion based on excessively limited facts. Like asserting that since a guy didn't contribute week one, he's useless. Guess JJ was useless in 2020 then.

Phil Riewer -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:51:53 AM)
I guess I should have apologized earlier to Bill about his thoughts prior to the 2022 season.....[&:] I don't what is in Richards cheerios but he just loves to post after losses I guess.

Trekgeekscott -> RE: General Vikes Talk (9/12/2023 11:52:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Bill Johanesen quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Phil Riewer quote: ORIGINAL: Richard Neussendorfer quote: ORIGINAL: Trekgeekscott quote: ORIGINAL: Jeff Jesser I wouldn't even worry about what QB leads us next year. I'm more worried about what GM leads us in to next year. My stomach is getting Kwesi about this regime. They are not going to fire KAM. Get used to the Kwesi feelings No they're not. This organization is completely dysfunctional. Dysfunctional because you don't like Kirk? Would you rather watch a 4-12 for multiple seasons team? The dysfuntion was the Zimmer/Spielman fiasco of resigning older vets and not bringing in young talent. Dysfunction because they'll keep Kwesi for years even though it's obvious he's out of his element. Dysfunctional because Kirk will be resigned. Dysfunctional because they can't seem to fix the IOL no matter who's GM or coach. Would you like me to go on? Or maybe Kwesi has an outlined multi year plan to build a perennial winner that you just don't understand. It would be more dysfunctional to fire a guy you just hired a little over a year ago to run the team. Right after a 13-3 season, and one loss in this season is not when you fire a GM you just hired. It would be dysfunctional to do so. If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! I wouldn't say they are completely useless. Addison doesn't look useless. Akayleb Evans didn't look useless. Cine and Booth aren't helping really at this point. but Cine showed signs in preseason and there are three guys he has to play better than to get on the field, One a future team HOFer, One our leading tackler and he is doing ok on special teams... Mecki Blackmon made a play or two vs Tampa. I would hardly call the drafts "completely" useless. They haven't netted us 10 probowlers like some people want, but it has netted us contributors. Jury is still out on most of the players. I choose to wait and see. Just because no one has burst onto the scene as a stud...doesn't mean they are completely useless. What has Evans done? Just get playing time? Sounds like the Phil mentality: he starts so therefore he is part of a successful draft. And the Richad and Bill mentality is if he isn't a stud after one game, he's useless. I believe i am somewhere in between. Hmmm, I don't recall using the term useless. But because you were challenged, you are getting defensive. The "Let's wait" game. Check back in three years on Cine, Booth, and Ingram. Maybe extend them cause, you know, some players need more time to develop than others. quote: If his plan is to have completely useless drafts he's done a great job! It was Richard. who is quoted repeatedly in this thread.

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